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Topic: Number of sounds on stand?
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Az-Hunter
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posted July 31, 2006 04:08 PM
Ok; seems we have a consensus on how long an average stand will run, 15-20 minutes, for daytime stands, according to our inhouse experts,and Im in total ageement with that figure,after that, like one guy mentioned, it's diminishing returns.
Next, I want to get an idea of how many different sounds the usual stand will have us use? Im pretty basic,and usually use one,but I will mix in another,usually a hurt coyote distress or pup squeal,if Ive wacked one,but for the most part....one monotonous sound, either jackrabbit,cottontail or woodpecker.
On average, how many different sounds will your average stand go thru, or do you stick with one distress sound at a time, per stand?
I so often hear on various posts how a guy might mow thru his sound list, like he is hoping to find that "one" sound that finally draws the coyote. Ive been with only a couple guys that had the compulsion to throw half a dozen different sounds out,and have never seen that method successful.
So whats the consensus on this one?
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JD
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posted July 31, 2006 04:16 PM
Usually one food sound & sometimes one coyote sound, of course from time to time I throw a fart in the mix but I`m not sure it`s to my benefit.
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JoeF
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posted July 31, 2006 04:28 PM
One.
It might be interesting to limit the question to the number of sounds before the shot...???
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Tim Behle
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posted July 31, 2006 04:39 PM
One, if I'm using electronic calls. When I hand call, I sometimes spend the last minute or so doing bird squeals on my coaxer.
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TRnCO
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posted July 31, 2006 04:45 PM
4 or 5 is not on common for me, especially when nothing is showing where I beleive there most certainly should be something listening!
About the only time I go through any one set with just one sound, is when all the action showed up and I didn't have time to change sounds!
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TOM64
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posted July 31, 2006 05:05 PM
Usually with handcalls, only one but I do mix in some pup whines every now and then.
When I used the JS preymaster at night, you could expect 2 or sometimes 3 sounds on a stand, never intentionaly but it happened none the less.
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csmithers
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posted July 31, 2006 05:32 PM
i will usually use 1 or 2. 3 is usually the limit. early in the season i stick with prey distress and some pup distress. later on in the season i start to use howls mixed in with the prey and pup distress.
i start off a stand with a higher pitched fast- paced sound and usually slow it down as i go.
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brad h
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posted July 31, 2006 05:46 PM
Two.
I don't mind changing sounds toward the end of the stand.
I've had luck several times using that second sound. Maybe it worked, maybe the incomer was already coming in? Maybe half and half, who the hell knows.
Brad
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Leonard
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posted July 31, 2006 06:16 PM
The question is more complicated than it seems, at first blush.
With cats, it never hurts to change sounds, in fact, hitting the right one can bring them charging, whereas before, they were content to play peekaboo.
Now, with coyotes, no doubt a hurt pup can get one moving that was hung up. Coaxer works in similiar fashion.
However, I almost always let a stand play out with one sound. NEXT stand, I am inclined to change to something different, something they (hopefully) have not heard before? Generally speaking, I like a jackrabbit, a yellowhammer, or a gray fox pup. On those other occasions, I like javalina, baby goat, deer bleat; stuff like that.
But, I do not like to change sounds on stand without a reason. One such reason is when I'm in a high concentration and they are playing cute, not showing, but I know damned well they are there! My solution has been fox and coyote fight sounds, or coyote barking at prey, attempting to dig it out, or sounds of a coyote killing a chicken or biting a rodent.
At night, I find that a sound like digging, scattering pebbles, thrashing branches, even fingernails scratching a metal surface can trigger an approach from cover.
But, I don't see a lot of value in switching sounds just because you have not called something already. Especially while you have an incoming animal....unless he is still way out there, say 300-400 yards.
Anyway, that's what I mean by "complicated". There are many good reasons for changing sounds, but I don't do it, just for the heck of it.
Good hunting. LB
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DAA
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posted July 31, 2006 06:36 PM
Last year, with just one or two exceptions, and not counting the occasional coyote vocalization, I used exactly one sound, the same sound, on every stand for the whole year. A jackrabbit in dsitress. Had a pretty good year, too.
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Andy L
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posted July 31, 2006 07:16 PM
Normally one sound, either Cottontail, Jackrabbit or one of those crazy African sounds. Sometimes if Im having a rough day, I will maybe change sounds for the last 3 minutes or so.
That dont include howling. I normally dont howl much unless they are pairing late in the winter. Maybe I should?
Right or wrong, thats what I do and thats what you asked.
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bandit
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posted July 31, 2006 07:51 PM
For coyote, I use 1 call (distress) per stand. Possibly with a few thrown in pup yips/howls. I'm a believer in not educating them too much, in fact I keep track of what sounds I used at which stand so next visit I throw a different sound out there.
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Jrbhunter
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posted July 31, 2006 08:46 PM
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Hawkeye
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posted July 31, 2006 09:41 PM
I usually only use 1 distress call other than pup distress that I will mix in and this past year I used crow sounds on top of distress or mixed in and had good results even used mainly crow sounds with little bit of distress sound of some sort with a bunch of coyote sounds did well with that will be doing it more next year.
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Steve Craig
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posted August 01, 2006 09:10 AM
Bobcats...2 or more
Lions...2 or more
Fox...2
Coyotes.....depending on the time of year 2 or more.
Bears...2
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UTcaller
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posted August 01, 2006 12:43 PM
DAA,
Speaking of jackrabbit sounds,I am assuming you mean on your FX3,right?Is it one of the factory sounds(if so what number is it)or one of your own sounds that you recorded yourself.Thanks
Oh yea,I either use a distress sound with my Critr call,or one sound with the FX3,and limited howling.Good Hunting Chad
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DAA
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posted August 01, 2006 03:41 PM
Chad, it's one that I recorded. Foxpro has been putting it on callers for quite awhile too though. But I don't know what name or number they use for it. Last time I talked to them about it, they told me it was their most popular sound though.
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J_hun
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posted August 02, 2006 08:42 PM
Most of the time I just use a lone howl and follow that with a jackrabbit distress and usually that's all it takes. I lip squeak to get lined out once in awhile. Then sometimes I just use hurt pup all alone with nothing else.
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TA17Rem
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posted August 02, 2006 09:12 PM
I use one sound mostly at a stand and that is a recording of live cotton tail or a baby jack. I make 2-3 stands in a range unit and if i don't get any takers on the first two then i will use a female invatation howl with rabbit screams.
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Locohead
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posted August 03, 2006 08:59 AM
Hawkeye,
Interesting, man! All I've ever called with crow sounds are lots and lots of crows! I've given it a fair try though! I'm thinking I ought to give it a try with a shotgun one of these days!
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Locohead
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posted August 03, 2006 09:03 AM
Ooops, I got off topic there.
I use only one call per stand. If it isn't working after a few minutes or so. I go to trying to sound hysterical on the call. But that's only if the plain old waa waa's aren't working right away.
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keekee
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posted August 03, 2006 10:56 AM
It really all depends. I will almost always run at least 3 distress sounds. Not counting coyote vocals, just counting distress sounds, And I use puppy distress and wines and cries on every stand.
But, if you count coyote vocals it will run up to 5-6 sounds per stand. On almost ever stand, unless a coyote shows fast.
I dont run the regular whaaa whaaa sounds for rabbit distress. I run the scale, from High to low and lots of pitch changes in between, wines, moans, cries, screams, with lots of feeling!
On gut feeling stands were Im am sure im calling and there is a coyote there I may run threw every sound I have before calling off the stand.
This is hand calling. I almost never run all elc calls on a stand but if I do they will be at least two diffrent sounds from the caller. And some hand calls mixed in, even if it is howls, but I howl on almost every stand.
But I will say the order I use them will vary alot, and depend on what area I am calling in. Along with the chance of calling a cat or fox.
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Greenside
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posted August 03, 2006 11:51 AM
I mostly stick to one sound, but I will change up on calls at times. Meaning that I might start with a peewee and switch over to a standard or blaster some where during the stand. I usually try to maintain somewhat of the same rhythm and cadence but the pitch might vary some between the calls. Depending on the day, some pitches carry better than others so I do try to keep that in mind.
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I dont run the regular whaaa whaaa sounds for rabbit distress. I run the scale, from High to low and lots of pitch changes in between, wines, moans, cries, screams, with lots of feeling!
Brent Not disagreeing with you on this but for a while I used some of the bite type calls. Very easy to do all those things with one of them. It seemed to me that when doing that my percentages went down. No real way to put a number on it, but finally I just started asking myself "What are you trying to sound like?" I quit using them.
Dennis
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TRnCO
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posted August 03, 2006 04:49 PM
When I use several different sounds, it's not that I'm "fishing" for the "right" sound, but rather I'm trying to create a "scene".
One sound that I like to start with is, an excited yip, something that I visualize when a dog/coyote is in a chase after something. This is something I've never seen a coyote do, but my dog used to a lot ![[Roll Eyes]](rolleyes.gif) !! I may do 30 seconds of yips and then immidiately I will go to a distress of either cottontail or jack. If I happen to be using a not so loud call, and nothing shows up in about 5 to 7 minutes, I may change over to somthing louder. I hunt open country and I like to reach over the next hill. Then, often times, if at the 10-12 minute mark, I still don't have a visual on an incomer, I may do a few ki yi's! And if somewhere in there, I see a customer coming, I then switch to lip squeeks alone, which seldom they can't refuse to come further for more investigation!
So, there would be 4 or 5 sounds in a single set! And when I throw in coyote vocals, the numbers could go a few higher!
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Lonny
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posted August 03, 2006 05:51 PM
Most often only one distress sound per stand.
I usually throw another sound out there like a pup distress after the shot. If I get that "gut" feeling or have one hang up out of good range I'll throw another lure out. Use some vocals at times also.
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