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Author Topic: Couple dog questions for you Cal. Doggitter Knows what it's all about Member # 489 posted October 25, 2005 05:47 PM                    Bought Going to the Dogs a week ago along with some others. That is a GOOD dvd Cal. Enjoying the heck out of it, thank you. Started the dvd again today after work and thought about the Coyotes chasing Casper around. I don't remembering seeing him ever running from a Coyote, in a fearful way. Has he ever got in a bad fight with them even though he has such a dominant attitude? Second ?? I'd like to teach Hunter a cue like the barking to bring him back. What method did you use to teach him? Thanks Cal. Loren. Posts: 273 | From: Oregon rain forest | Registered: Dec 2004  |  IP: Logged Cal Taylor Knows what it's all about Member # 199 posted October 26, 2005 08:24 AM                    Loren, The two dogs of mine you see most in there (Casper and Gage) as you can tell have no fear of coyotes as you can tell. But they are smart enough to bring stuff back, not just run them off, so it really takes a unique dog. Most guys go through alot of dogs to find ones that will work, but I have been lucky in the fact that several of us that have had good dogs have been crossing them back on each other and getting a high percentage of successful dogs. As for calling them back with my voice, it works, sometimes, but how I actually start a dog is by calling them that way at home or when I'm out exercising them. I kinda figured it out by accident, because I can yell alot louder with a woof or yowl than I can by calling a dog by name. -------------------- Democracy is two wolves and a lamb deciding what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote. FoxPro Field Staff Member Posts: 1069 | From: Wyoming | Registered: May 2003  |  IP: Logged Andy L HI, I'M THE NEW MODERATOR OF THE CENTRAL MISSOURI FORUM, PULL MY FINGER! Member # 642 posted October 26, 2005 10:58 AM                   Cal, whatever you done, you done good. I havent tried tolling yet. I got a feeling its not gonna work too good, except for summertime work. Which, I havent done but one time this past summer, mainly because I havent had a dog. But, he did a fantastic job on that coyote. My dog may be too old to teach the voice thing now, but Im going to try it on my pup as I bring her in. Tagger does respond very well to the tone on his collar however. Thats what I have used so far. Like I said, I doubt that I can teach him otherwise, unless it would be with me barking in conjunction with the tone for a while? Once again, Im talkin about just what your doing Cal, spring/summertime stuff. Andy -------------------- Andy Posts: 2645 | From: Central Missouri | Registered: Apr 2005  |  IP: Logged Cal Taylor Knows what it's all about Member # 199 posted October 26, 2005 03:48 PM                    My dogs had been called by name when I started them too Andy. But when I run them for excersize, every day or two, they want to hunt hard and will sail out looking for something to chase. What I started doing with the shock collar was I would voice howl and they got one chance to respond before the collar came into effect. Pretty soon when I would voice howl or "woof" at them they knew to come back. As I stated above, I could howl/yowl/woof louder than calling them by name and not lose my voice. I'm a very poor howler with my voice, but I can get my dogs to come back so I guess it's not a useless tool! LOL! -------------------- Democracy is two wolves and a lamb deciding what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote. FoxPro Field Staff Member Posts: 1069 | From: Wyoming | Registered: May 2003  |  IP: Logged Doggitter Knows what it's all about Member # 489 posted October 26, 2005 05:27 PM                    Sure get a kick out of Casper. Looks like the Coyotes get to thinking "here's this big musclely looking couchpooch thinking he can run with us!" Then he almost hauls right over the top of them! Love it. I pretty sure I know the answer but you start the pups only with experienced dogs right? Posts: 273 | From: Oregon rain forest | Registered: Dec 2004  |  IP: Logged Cal Taylor Knows what it's all about Member # 199 posted October 26, 2005 06:56 PM                    Actually Doggitter, I have started several pups with out an older dog around. Sometimes having the older dog around intimidates the pups and the pup never really gets a chance to do anything on their own. I like starting pups in the wintertime on trapped coyotes. They don't really "fight" them mostly just bark and raise a little hell, but it gives them some confidence that they can be around a coyote and harrass and maybe nip them and get away with it. In the process they also get bit a time or two by the coyotes of course and they either don't want anything to do with coyotes any more or they go "bonkers". I want the ones that go bonkers and get mad when they get bit. But I don't want more than one pup at a time, because I don't want them thinking they are too tough and just tryin to maul a coyote in a trap. I want them to realize that I am the "killer", not them. Then after I dispatch the coyote I let the pups play with them all they want. It gets better with time and traps that are on drags, I let them hunt the coyote up, or cat or whatever it is, and again they don't get into too much trouble, and they get the same reward again. I'm sure that you noticed that my dogs like to get a little "revenge" on dead critters. After all that it is easier to get them started on loose coyotes. -------------------- Democracy is two wolves and a lamb deciding what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote. FoxPro Field Staff Member Posts: 1069 | From: Wyoming | Registered: May 2003  |  IP: Logged Andy L HI, I'M THE NEW MODERATOR OF THE CENTRAL MISSOURI FORUM, PULL MY FINGER! Member # 642 posted October 26, 2005 07:40 PM                   Cal, BTW, Loren, I hope you dont mind my butting in just a little. Im very interested in this, for obvious reasons.... Tagger, my old dog, was worked on a trapline, alot. Hes a killer through and through. From what I saw from him on that little bit of experience I told you about this summer, I would think he would be fine when actually working a den? But, I am afraid, even though he responds to the tone, that he may take over and want to kill on his own for calling. Old as he is, I kinda doubt I can change him much. Although, other than den work, I think hes gonna make a hell of a coon callin dog. Now, I got a 5 month old pup thats showing signs of grit. I WAS intending on hunting her with Tagger next spring, but after listening to you, maybe I should do like you do and work her on some trapped animals this winter? I am planning on trapping this year for the first time in about 8 years anyway. Then maybe call with her next spring? Catch me if Im wrong. Shes got grit, but being a female, I dont expect her to be a bloodthirsty killer like the male. Even though shes young, it might do her good to be introduced on her own with a trapped animal first. This is a good thread. Loren, I hope Im not upsetting you since you did direct this at Cal.... Andy -------------------- Andy Posts: 2645 | From: Central Missouri | Registered: Apr 2005  |  IP: Logged Doggitter Knows what it's all about Member # 489 posted October 26, 2005 09:00 PM                    Hell no Andy. It's all in the same stuff that I've been wondering about. Trying to figure out how to get Hunter going on this. He grabbed a salamander or frog a couple weeks ago from my Healer and ran with it when I tried to check him up on it. Slugged it right down. And, I took a gopher away from him last week that he caught and was chomping on. He's definitely a pest at home with the other dogs. Shows signs of dominance at 16 weeks. Not just the posturing they all do but getting really pushy with them. Wondering if that shows significant enough sign that he'll stand up to Coyotes enough? A lot of what's going tthrough my mind is also his safety in regards to them picking on him? LOTS of questions in my brain. Biggest is how to show him the calling without getting him seriously injured? Posts: 273 | From: Oregon rain forest | Registered: Dec 2004  |  IP: Logged Cal Taylor Knows what it's all about Member # 199 posted October 27, 2005 07:03 AM                    All you can do is try them out guys. I've never had a dog get hurt bad, but I have had them get chewed on enough to go get some antibiotic. Once they start figuring things out it gets easier, but you will have every wreck possible if you keep at it long enough. LOL! I like my dogs, but they are hunting dogs, not pets, and if they aren't working out they get replaced. If your not willing to get rid of the ones that don't work, you'll always have dogs that don't work. -------------------- Democracy is two wolves and a lamb deciding what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote. FoxPro Field Staff Member Posts: 1069 | From: Wyoming | Registered: May 2003  |  IP: Logged nd coyote killer HUNTMASTER PRO STAFF Member # 40 posted October 28, 2005 09:02 AM                   I've seen first hand "Gage" work and he can hold his own however he also knew that his job was to bring the coyotes back. Cal's Dogs are really something else to watch and it will only be a few more years before i'm begging to get a pup from him!!LOLOLOL. I've seen "gage" get his "revenge" and the only thing that ran through my mind was man i'm glad i'm not that coyote!! LOL Cal what your views on the pros and cons of Airdales? just had a good friend buy one that wants to raise it to be a "decoy dog" Just wanted to now what your thoughts were on them? -------------------- "Sure are cocky for a starving pilgrim" - Bear Claw Posts: 385 | From: On a hill | Registered: Jan 2003  |  IP: Logged Leonard HMFIC Member # 2 posted October 28, 2005 10:28 AM                       Now, there's a question that calls for a bit of diplomacy. This should be interesting. LB -------------------- EL BEE Knows It All and Done It All. Don't piss me off! Posts: 31463 | From: Upland, CA | Registered: Jan 2003  |  IP: Logged Cal Taylor Knows what it's all about Member # 199 posted October 28, 2005 10:35 AM                    ND, I only personally know one guy that used airedales successfully as decoy dogs. He's a State trapper in Utah and isn't afraid to administer some serious disipline. But he recently started switching to curs and when I asked him why he said it was because Airedales kept his hands too sore. And I think some of the Airedale crosses work pretty good. There is alot of Airedale in the Dorn dogs, and thats what Casper is. But there may be airedales out there that work, I just haven't personally seen one. Kind of like Blue Heelers, I've had alot of people tell me they had a good one that minded well, but I've yet to personally see one. But every rancher has the story, "well, this dog here ain't too good, but I had one......" [ October 28, 2005, 10:36 AM: Message edited by: Cal Taylor ] -------------------- Democracy is two wolves and a lamb deciding what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote. FoxPro Field Staff Member Posts: 1069 | From: Wyoming | Registered: May 2003  |  IP: Logged Doggitter Knows what it's all about Member # 489 posted October 28, 2005 05:01 PM                    I can't imagine my healer doing very well at all for bringing them back, even if she learned the game. She's too much a papa's pooch. Doesn't like to leave my side. She'll sure take on anything I ask, but that's a different type of "hunting". Sure wish that opinion of Airedales wouldn't have surfaced. Guess what I just got a couple months ago? Posts: 273 | From: Oregon rain forest | Registered: Dec 2004  |  IP: Logged

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