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Topic: So which spooks a coyote?
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Cranky Farmer
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posted July 29, 2008 01:05 PM
The rifle report or the whiz of the bullet whistling by? Both?
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Leonard
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posted July 29, 2008 02:36 PM
It's the snap.
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Rich
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posted July 29, 2008 02:39 PM
Cranky Farmer,
The report of a rifle doesn't usually spook game, be it deer or coyote. My guess is that it is the sound of a bullet whizzing by, the bullet striking a nearby object or something. I suppose the report of a rifle going off at 20 yards or so would spook them, but not the report of a rifle that went off 100 yards away.
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Randy Roede
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posted July 29, 2008 04:29 PM
Cranky just think of it this way, if i fired a blank at 200 yards vs. at load with a bullet at a coyote. Both may spook the coyote but the object whizzin by his head, kickin up crap around him, before he ever hears the muzzle blast spooks him. You will see at times on windy days at longer distances a coyote on occasion if you shoot high not spook and give you a second chance. A sightor you might say.
We have a law enforcement range nearby and those coyotes near it are not afraid of muzzleblasts etc. Very easy to take multiples there compared to the open prairie.
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posted July 29, 2008 04:35 PM
Isn't the animal or ground hit by the projectile before it hears the sound?
posted after RR had... Just an observation...
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Leonard
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posted July 29, 2008 04:40 PM
Okay, look. There is a distinct sound of a high velocity bullet passing close to you, I call it a snap. in some cases, if the animal is close, the boom completely drowns out the snap, but at (say) 100 yards, the animal hears the snap before the report....unless as has been said, you kick up dirt, etc. But if it doesn't touch ground near by, he reacts to the snap.
Good hunting. LB
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TRnCO
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posted July 29, 2008 05:42 PM
A bullet doesn't necassarily have to even come close to most coyotes I've seen, just the report will make them "react", but the closer the bullet is to them the more obvious the "reaction" is.
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Leonard
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posted July 29, 2008 06:53 PM
You guys need to spend some time pulling targets in the pits. You don't hear much of the report, but you sure can hear those bullets breaking the sound barrier as they pass overhead.
Good hunting. LB
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TRnCO
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posted July 29, 2008 07:13 PM
In all the years that I chased coyotes with grey hounds, we chased hundreds of coyotes out of cover, and the bullets hit the ground just outside of the truck door, yet the coyotes come out on the run.
Of all the years I've hunted pheasant, deer, or any other critters, I've witnessed many a coyote come out of cover, but yet never had a bullet whiz by them.
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RagnCajn
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posted July 29, 2008 07:19 PM
A high velocity bullet does not whiz as it goes by. It has a definate crack to it. This is the sound barrier being broken as it passes. As Leonard stated, standing in the pits at 600 yards and having 200+ bullets pass within a few feet over your head during a 20 minute span will require ear muffs. The report of the guns going off 600 yards away is hardly noticeble.
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Rich
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posted July 29, 2008 07:57 PM
I have heard that old statement many times. "It ain't the bullet striking the target that you hear, it is the bullet breaking the sound barrier". I can hear my bullet strike the target at 100 yards, but if there is no paper for said bullet to hit, I hear no "snap". Have any of you guys layed in the pit and have someone shoot over you with no target for the bullet to strike? I don't think you would hear the famous "snap". If I am wrong, well it wouldn't be the first time.
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RagnCajn
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posted July 29, 2008 08:15 PM
Yes I have heard bullets snap by with no impact. It is a snap. You can not hear the snap from the shooting position. You must be on the receiving end.
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Rich Higgins
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posted July 29, 2008 08:48 PM
Randy is correct. The "snap" or "crack" is the sonic wave passing an object. Stand behind a BIG tree and have someone you trust fire a high velocity big bore past you at different angles past the the tree. The closer the bullet passes the object, in this case the tree, the louder the crack. Higher velocity causes a louder snap. A 22-250 is noticeably louder than a 223. My 22-250AI sounds like a firecracker popping next to the tree.
A bullet that narrowly misses a coyote would sound like a small firecracker going off next to him.
Before you say nay, stand behind the tree and find out for yourself.
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J. Piatt
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posted July 29, 2008 08:54 PM
LOL...I'll take your word for it Rich, hell with trusting anyone other than my wife....and she can't shoot ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
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Rich Higgins
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posted July 29, 2008 08:57 PM
J.D. that's one reason God made very big trees.
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Leonard
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posted July 29, 2008 08:58 PM
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Randy is correct. The "snap" or "crack" is the sonic wave passing an object.
says Higgins
Yes thanks for clearing that up, Higgins. I was a little confused.
Good hunting. LB
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J. Piatt
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posted July 29, 2008 09:05 PM
Where in the heck did you ever find a tree out there in that arid desert to test this theory?
Hell, I think the last time I was there was the first time I ever seen a cloud pass over Arizona, let alone find a tree big enough to let someone shoot past me.
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Dan Carey
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posted July 29, 2008 09:12 PM
Would it be louder if the bullet was going twice or 3 times the speed of sound?
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RagnCajn
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posted July 29, 2008 09:50 PM
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Would it be louder if the bullet was going twice or 3 times the speed of sound?
You tell us , your the resident gun guru. I am just a guy that has heard the bullet pass by.
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Rich Higgins
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posted July 30, 2008 07:27 AM
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Where in the heck did you ever find a tree out there in that arid desert to test this theory?
Ya skipped geography class to chase coyotes, didinja J.D.?
A pretty wide swath of northern Arizona, from the Kaibab to the New Mexico border is Ponderosa forest.
Many mountain ranges in central and southern Arizona are capped in Ponderosa forest.
Dan, 2 to 3 times the speed of sound isn't particularly fast for a high steppin' varmint round. I have one that does better than Mach4. It's a good question anyway because longer and heavier aircraft like the SR71 have a quieter sonic boom than shorter lighter craft. However, a faster 55 gr. bullet from my 22 250 is louder than a 55 from my 223.
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Randy Roede
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posted July 30, 2008 04:11 PM
A rifle fitted with a suppressor will virtually eliminate muzzle blast but the bullet , snap, can be eliminated by loading down to sub sonic. Then you have something really quiet and I am guessing very handy for multiple coyotes. We've been talking of getting these.
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Leonard
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posted July 30, 2008 04:20 PM
They are illegal, Randy. At least for us ordinary citizens. We can't shoot coyotes from airplanes, either.
But, there was some chatter a while back about the 30 Whisper, which is a subsonic supressed assassin cartridge.
If I had a vote, I wouldn't allow it for your purpose; there just isn't the urgency to justify it.
Good hunting. LB
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Randy Roede
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posted July 30, 2008 07:46 PM
We've been talking about getting them, but your right about the justification.
It's a want maybe more than a need.
I would like to see one work on some coyotes first to see if it is worth the effort and $$$$ Anyone got any info.
Justification would come if it showed a guy was getting more multiple coyotes off complaints and eliminating follow trips to get the other half of the pair. Stands would possibly produce more coyotes if the trailing or coyotes off in the distance didn't hear the first shot. Sheep work, especially at nite would be nice.
Let's see night vision, suppressor, etc. etc.
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Rich Higgins
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posted July 30, 2008 08:30 PM
Randy, I have a couple of friends in WS that use suppressors and night vision. Would you like a to talk to one of them?
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posted July 30, 2008 08:40 PM
WS here has a supressed 22. It is used in closer proximity to residential areas. Can it be justified, or is it necessary? Who knows, but it is pretty cool.
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