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Author Topic: Best Coyote Vocalizations Jrbhunter PAYS ATTENsION TO deTAIL Member # 459 posted October 14, 2005 09:18 AM                      Yeah I know what you mean about the BS and learning, I started this thread to learn about coyote vocalizations and ended up with three segments of your BS. Doe$ anyone el$e $ee a pattern of folk$ up$et with my comment about PM? Posts: 615 | From: Indiana | Registered: Dec 2004  |  IP: Logged Sue and Mark Nami Knows what it's all about Member # 685 posted October 14, 2005 11:04 AM                   I have a friend who got a WT caller and I was kind of excited about calling with it. He even loaned me the video to watch. We called hard for 2 days straight and never saw anything. About the only thing I can say is that it appears to be the most effective hair and bug repellant made. I will admit in all fairness that we did not have any frozen deer carcass in order to attract the coyotes. Nor did we have a cameraman filming butterflies so we could shoot coyotes off camera. Sure wanted to go out and spend 2 nickels on a WT after that. BTW. Two days after the WT Safari, I went out to one of the very places we called earlier and called one in with a cheap party favor and shot it too. -------------------- All that's necessary for the forces of evil to win in the world is for enough good men to do nothing. - Edmund Burke..1729-1797 Posts: 44 | From: east coast | Registered: Jul 2005  |  IP: Logged Leonard HMFIC Member # 2 posted October 14, 2005 12:40 PM                       Okay, first of all, I'm the only moderator on HM and I don't need any help keeping things on track. My policy is to allow a thread to evolve wherever it goes, and I am just as guilty as anyone. Second, for some reason BM has always felt that I'm hostile to him and his company, possibly because he continues to make rude and largely inaccurate remarks. I am only half kidding when I wonder if he has suffered a stroke, or fell and hit his head, because his comments directed at me were extremely disjointed, like he dropped his facts in a blender and spit them out randomly? If the things he said about other people were also (only) loosely based on factual events, I must take a good portion of what he has to say with a grain of salt? For the record; it was NINE coyotes single file, Bill. Not eleven. I have owned and used a howler for over twenty years, please don't try to tell me which end is up, when it comes to my personal experiences. <sheesh> Also, just to be perfectly honest: I occasionally get in a snide remark directed at CG or PM and if somebody views that as childish, then that's what I am with no apologies. I have good reason for my attitude, and I can only assume that if someone else makes a remark, they also have a reason, even if it is only important to them. I don't edit, and only have two people on my ban list that succeeded in testing my patience. Most all comments are welcome here, but I take a dim view of personal attacks. Goof hunting. LB -------------------- EL BEE Knows It All and Done It All. Don't piss me off! Posts: 31465 | From: Upland, CA | Registered: Jan 2003  |  IP: Logged Rich Higgins unknown comic posted October 14, 2005 12:42 PM              Bill, you're not finished, are you? There are so many questions. First question. Where should I list the latest "Bill's Absurdity" within the "Bill Martz Brain Fartz" hall of fame? "The only thing a coyote vocalization represents is a level of aggressiveness. Some are more aggressive and some are less aggressive." I was thinking of sandwiching it between "A coyote fights for living" and "Without territory, a coyote will die." It doesn't quite rise to the level of "A coyote spins it's tail when it dies because it believes it is being attacked by something stronger and it is submitting to it." but all told it was a worthy effort and I give it two fingers up. IP: Logged InjunJoe unknown comic posted October 14, 2005 01:25 PM              Higgins, is the two fingers up one from each hand? I'd sure like to try one of his callers out here on the *********** but Yolanda would slip a disc if she found out I spent that much on a coyote. The car we drive cost only a hundred more than the WT. Anyway, I started doing some calling and it is sure picking up. It's cooling off now at night and things couldn't get much better. One thing I'd like to know is if a fellow used one of those calls 20 weekends a year, how many coyotes could he expect to call in? IP: Logged Baldknobber Knows what it's all about Member # 514 posted October 14, 2005 01:37 PM                    Could it be that JRBHunter posted here even though he has started his own website, because the caliber of people who post here are...at least to him, well respected as predator callers? I think that could be interpreted as a c ompliment to our posting board. I always try to look at the glass as half full. [ October 14, 2005, 01:39 PM: Message edited by: Baldknobber ] -------------------- JTBMO Posts: 202 | From: Missouri | Registered: Jan 2005  |  IP: Logged Leonard HMFIC Member # 2 posted October 14, 2005 01:46 PM                       I own this site but I don't think that means that I can't participate on other boards, and I assume that jrb feels welcome to post his thoughts and opinions. Fine by me, because he is welcome here.....it's Higgins that hates him butting in. (just kidding) Good hunting. LB [ October 14, 2005, 01:48 PM: Message edited by: Leonard ] -------------------- EL BEE Knows It All and Done It All. Don't piss me off! Posts: 31465 | From: Upland, CA | Registered: Jan 2003  |  IP: Logged keekee Knows what it's all about Member # 465 posted October 14, 2005 02:26 PM                       Bill did produce a video about the Eastern coyote, "A Coyote Tutorial". It's well done production. I gess I must of been in the dark on the video? I will get a copy and check it out for sure! Dont know how I missed that one? JRB, I will take this to E-mail, im not going to do this on a open fourm. You have mail! Brent [ October 14, 2005, 02:40 PM: Message edited by: keekee ] -------------------- Kee's Custom Calls http://www.keescalls.com Posts: 295 | From: Southern Ohio | Registered: Dec 2004  |  IP: Logged Rich Higgins unknown comic posted October 14, 2005 02:44 PM              Leonard, I don't mind Jr "butting" in at all, I kinda like having him around. He can be an anal twit but what the hey, he probably earned it. IP: Logged Krustyklimber prefers the bunny hugger pronunciation: ky o tee Member # 72 posted October 14, 2005 02:51 PM                    Wow, what a ride... JRB, Dude, you come off a little hostile in all this, you could tone it down a notch yourself. I have to agree with Mr Higgins to a small degree... IF I hadda choose from that list I'd be lost (just like you). I mean how the heck am I supposed to know what any of those sounds are? They just have ambigous, cool sounding names... like Tim said, getting some, and seeing how they work, FOR YOURSELF, is the best way to figure this out. No, I do not $ee the pattern you $peak of, at all. Mr Bill, I am always with you, man, at the beginning... but then you seem to fumble, just short of the goal line. I am SURE glad you don't know me, did you tell on your brothers and sisters a lot too? I offered to let you give me a copy of your video, to prove it can make even anyone an expert, but you declined. THAT says it ALL to me. Tim, "Use sounds that are going to appeal to him on a daily basis." Another "golden nugget of wisdom". I can always count on you, for the "nutshell" view. Thanks. Keekee, You did seem a little too defensive of the PM crack, after all JRB did have somewhat of a point, and it was funny to me (he coulda said the same joke about a half dozen other boards, they ALL have a little drama, don't they?). THO, Ditto, to what you said. Mark, There's no more way for you to PROVE the WT was the problem, anymore than Mr Bill can PROVE it's the solution. "Only the yippers know, and they ain't sayin'" Leonard,, I can count a few more guys that you've banned, from all the various HM sites I have been part of, but maybe some of them are just on a time out. (*a couple of "my pals" got banned in one night, one for his first and only post on this board) "I don't edit" Bull. Edit by deletion counts, if you ask me, but you didn't. I will say I don't know that that (deletion) has ever happened to anyone's posts, except mine (and I may have deserved it), so you are mostly right. You do let a thread take it's own course, and many times we find information and ideas we never otherwise might have. Joe, "...if a fellow used one of those calls 20 weekends a year, how many coyotes could he expect to call in?" My answer is, "I don't expect ANY" Baldnobber, I agree, half full. (*That's how and why I was able to agree with Mr Higgins' first post in this thread) Krusty [ October 14, 2005, 02:56 PM: Message edited by: Krustyklimber ] -------------------- Think about how stupid the average person is, then realize that half of them are stupider than that! Posts: 1912 | From: Deep in the Blue Ridge Mountains of Virginia | Registered: Jan 2003  |  IP: Logged Leonard HMFIC Member # 2 posted October 14, 2005 03:58 PM                       Hmmm? Perhaps I should not say I never, ever have edited a post? But, it is not often, if we are talking about censorship. In point of fact, there are only two names on the list. Again, to be 100% accurate, (you little twit) I have (temporarily) banned a few people, and removed the block; sometimes, the following day. And, since this is the third version of Huntmasters, I don't remember that far back, so I could have missed a few? But, that will happen on any message board, here it is much less frequent than other places. Good hunting. LB -------------------- EL BEE Knows It All and Done It All. Don't piss me off! Posts: 31465 | From: Upland, CA | Registered: Jan 2003  |  IP: Logged InjunJoe unknown comic posted October 14, 2005 04:19 PM              Krusty, He only censors ******* IP: Logged Leonard HMFIC Member # 2 posted October 14, 2005 04:35 PM                       Watch it, Joe. Or, I'll disclose to Yolanda that you favor stout, flat nose Navajo women, when you have had a few... and they have had a few; passed out, and fallen on their face. Good hunting. LB (hey, who wouldn't, eh?) -------------------- EL BEE Knows It All and Done It All. Don't piss me off! Posts: 31465 | From: Upland, CA | Registered: Jan 2003  |  IP: Logged Andy L HI, I'M THE NEW MODERATOR OF THE CENTRAL MISSOURI FORUM, PULL MY FINGER! Member # 642 posted October 14, 2005 04:50 PM                   I love it when a big brew haha breaks out and Im not involved. Makes me feel closer to normal...... Andy -------------------- Andy Posts: 2645 | From: Central Missouri | Registered: Apr 2005  |  IP: Logged Jrbhunter PAYS ATTENsION TO deTAIL Member # 459 posted October 14, 2005 04:56 PM                      Thanks for the commantary Krusty, that's just what this thread needed. I'm not at all trying to be harsh... I'm just an A-hole by nature and try to stick to talking about coyotes in an unbiased and open minded way with experienced guys that SPEND TIME IN THE WOODS like me. It appears some guys can't stick to talking coyotes. Why? I'm sure everyone has their theories... I have mine. Leonard could you post up a new general terms of service that will keep me from walking into one of these traps again? Perhaps it should read "There will be no pornography, talk of coyote vocalizations or personal threats made on the board" then we'd know how to behave! LOL! (The above post was made in good fun, with the intentions of making some people laugh but I understand it will inevitably piss off others and I can live with that.) Posts: 615 | From: Indiana | Registered: Dec 2004  |  IP: Logged Tim Behle Administrator MacNeal Sector Member # 209 posted October 14, 2005 05:37 PM                       Jason, I read your question on your board, just didn't post a reply there. If you think I get distracted here, then you don't want Doyle and I on the same thread. We'd turn every discussion into something to do with Mushrooms, Ginseng, Arrowheads or big hooters. Hey Joe, Do you really like those Navajo women? If you spent that much on a car, I bet you have the nicest one on the *********** . How about we go kill a few when this wind stops? -------------------- Personally, I carry a gun because I'm too young to die and too old to take an ass kickin'. Posts: 3160 | From: Five Miles East of Vic, AZ | Registered: Jun 2003  |  IP: Logged Krustyklimber prefers the bunny hugger pronunciation: ky o tee Member # 72 posted October 14, 2005 06:04 PM                    Leonard, I apologize, I didn't mean to piss you off, just to clarify things a bit. Never is a strong word. I guess I didn't realize "banned" wasn't forever, for anyone but myself and one other guy (I didn't ask my pals (or the others I remember) if they've tried again, to access their memberships here). Little twit... like I needed that. I guess I AM a twit, but I'm not wrong about what I said. And you guys wonder why people just lurk. Joe, I thought there were a lot of *s for a place without ANY censorship. I never claimed the little censorship, or editting, that IS done here was a bad thing. Andy, You want some of this? No, just kiddin'. I was thinking the same thing, until I couldn't help myself, and had to add my two cents. JRB, You're welcome, I guess? You may not mean to come off harsh, just like I usually don't, but you did, and you are. I'm not the only one to notice it. Why wouldn't this thread need my commentary? My thoughts on this are every bit as valid as anyone else's, and this is an open board? Why don't I speak on coyotes and howling? Same reason THO didn't, but that seemed okay for him to say. Maybe you should put a disclaimer in your original post... "I only wanna hear from pampass know it alls, newbs not welcome". And you guys wonder why people just lurk? I didn't start this shit-pot... but I did take a turn at the stir stick, somebody's got to, or it'll burn. Have you EVER seen a thread discussing the WT (on this site) not go sideways? (that's what took this to the crapper, not coyote vocalizations) Krusty -------------------- Think about how stupid the average person is, then realize that half of them are stupider than that! Posts: 1912 | From: Deep in the Blue Ridge Mountains of Virginia | Registered: Jan 2003  |  IP: Logged Leonard HMFIC Member # 2 posted October 14, 2005 06:21 PM                       Jr, all kidding aside. The problem here is that labeling a sound as: #14. Coyote adult dominant male rally howl This doesn't begin to shed light on what it "sounds" like. Some of these descriptions, frankly, I don't recognize, and maybe others are having the same problem? Until we are speaking the same language, I can only guess what is meant by the LABEL? The other thing is; look at the above #14, just as a for instance. How did "someone" decide to describe this specific sound in this way? We already have some opinion that states that the coyotes themselves don't have an exact meaning when they issue a certain howl; it's like chinese, it depends on "how" you say it, and the mood they are in, happy, sad or "agressive". This is reading TEA LEAVES, as far as some people are concerned. Now, if we had a wav file to put with each description, then we could pick from your list a little more intelligently, even if we still could not agree on what to call that sound? Do you see what I'm getting at, here? Good hunting. LB -------------------- EL BEE Knows It All and Done It All. Don't piss me off! Posts: 31465 | From: Upland, CA | Registered: Jan 2003  |  IP: Logged Az-Hunter Hi, I'm Vic WELCOME TO THE U.S. Free baloney sandwiches here Member # 17 posted October 14, 2005 07:15 PM                   Whew......riveting reading to say the least:) Im with Tim, I seldom hunt coyotes in late spring or summer, so howling really doesn't enter into my calling situations. I will say, that out of that extensive list, I would bet a C note, that any kind of injured coyote or KI-YI would turn more coyotes for you than any of the others? I do use the hurt pup or injured adult vocalization with reasonable success, after hitting one of a pair or multiple, but I don't use vocalizations to the extent a guy like Rich does, so Im not able to give any expert opinion. Posts: 1629 | From: 5 miles west of Tim | Registered: Jan 2003  |  IP: Logged Jrbhunter PAYS ATTENsION TO deTAIL Member # 459 posted October 14, 2005 07:55 PM                      Yeah I see what you are saying Leonard and that is kinda sorta what I was having problems with. I know that puppy whines work like a charm at different times of the year but I was wondering if anyone knew the advantages of an 8 week pup cry versus a 4 week pup whine. Howls are the same way, but I don't pretend to be well versed enough to hit the same young adult, semi-agitated, locational mating howl day after day. If there were sound clips to go along with each title perhaps I would have an opinion on which ones would work and which ones I could live without on my unit. Clarification like that is what I was looking for if I couldn't get opinions on the titles as they were listed. Tim, I found my first puff-ball mushroom today... couldn't have done it without Doyle's tutoring. I considered taking a trophy photo with it just for him but decided against belittling myself to boasting about half rotten fungi. Posts: 615 | From: Indiana | Registered: Dec 2004  |  IP: Logged Leonard HMFIC Member # 2 posted October 14, 2005 08:49 PM                       two words: morels = $ Vic, everybody knows you don't need coyote vocalizations down there in coyote paradise McNeal. Good hunting. LB -------------------- EL BEE Knows It All and Done It All. Don't piss me off! Posts: 31465 | From: Upland, CA | Registered: Jan 2003  |  IP: Logged Rich Higgins unknown comic posted October 14, 2005 10:29 PM              Vic, threat-bark howls work well in the spring and summer, I assume that is what you are referring to. However other howls work on all ranks of coyotes at all times of year. Case in point. Last Sat., third stand of the morning, three of us set up in a line, 30 yards apart, facing a thick line of mesquite and palo verde. Visibilty was about 50 yards. Tyler was using high pithed pup distress, he calls constantly like an e-caller. Ten minutes in I blew a lost puppy howl and joined in with the pup distress, A coyote just inside the brush line began barking. Tyler and I boosted the volume and emotion and the coyote came bouncing in. You know the kind of gait, front legs straight, hackles up, a forward bounce with every bark. It stopped 30 yards out and the other fellow with us shot it. We would have kept it coming as long as it was willing. Interestingly, it was a yoy, a juvenile male. I don't know what was on his mind, what he thought was going on, but the two different sounds he had been hearing for ten minutes were presented in a way that certainly didn't intimidate him. That is the proper way to use coyote vocalizations. Unless targeting a resident pair, it is more productive to use those vocalizations that will attract all coyotes within hearing, even transient dispersing pups, without intimidating them. High pitched puppy distress and high pitched long howls that taper off are the best attractants. Jr, paying attention? IP: Logged Locohead World Famous Smoke Dancer Member # 15 posted October 14, 2005 11:47 PM                    EEEEEEEEEE...I reeeeelly like thees conversation. I don't gots too many things to say butz I reeeely like theees coyote talking theengs way too many times. Jew know what I mean? -------------------- I love my critters and chick!!!! :) Posts: 2219 | From: CO | Registered: Jan 2003  |  IP: Logged Randy Buker Knows what it's all about Member # 134 posted October 15, 2005 04:14 AM                       jrb, "If I wanted to hear all that other BS I'd just take this thread to Predator Masters" No you won't. Please keep in mind that you are not welcome there anymore. Brent, Please don't waste your money on Bill's video. Buy Jay's or Cal's or even mine! Bill's is laughable. Randy -------------------- Hunting the Red Fox www.geocities.com/foxhunter_56308 Posts: 158 | From: Parkers Prairie, MN | Registered: Feb 2003  |  IP: Logged Rich Higgins unknown comic posted October 15, 2005 07:46 AM              Randy, I'm going to send Brent my copy to satisfy his curiosity. I'm a little confused about your statement that Jr. is no longer welcome at PM. Did you mean he is not welcome by you, or that he is banned from the board? IP: Logged

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