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2dogs
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posted February 27, 2006 04:18 PM
Perhaps under differnt circumstance's Us 3 would be having a beer together & laughing ![[Frown]](frown.gif) Oh WelllLLLllll ![[Smile]](smile.gif) .
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Leonard
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posted February 27, 2006 04:37 PM
Okay, as much as I hate to do this, let's tackle another issue, please. LB
open for business...and, I'm all for a beer.
[ February 27, 2006, 05:40 PM: Message edited by: Leonard ]
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Leonard
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posted February 27, 2006 05:39 PM
Okay, finally tracked down Tim. He's out there somewhere
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Tim Behle
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posted February 27, 2006 05:53 PM
I'm sorry, I was only home for about 15 minutes and had to leave for a meeting.
Hey Cal, did I show you the picture of the 97 pound Bobcat I shot last weekend while shooting off hand from the cab of a moving train, at a range of 947 yards in a 63 MPH crosswind?
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Rich Higgins
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posted February 27, 2006 05:58 PM
WOW!!! 2dogs
23 posts in two hours.
I think that's a new record for a meltdown.
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Rich Higgins
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posted February 27, 2006 06:00 PM
Tim very nice giant cat. But a real man would have a long barrel on his rifle.
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Cal Taylor
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posted February 27, 2006 06:03 PM
Great Pic Tim,
Sounds good to me Leonard, sorry to muddle your board with this BS.
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Jrbhunter
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posted February 27, 2006 06:15 PM
Tim, I didn't know you were expecting. Congradulations!
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Cdog911
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posted February 27, 2006 07:06 PM
Was it going into or coming out of the bobcat den hole?
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Leonard
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posted February 27, 2006 07:12 PM
You have to huff it, Lance.
That looks like the exact same yucca I made a stand with Vic, once?
Good hunting. LB
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UTcaller
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posted February 27, 2006 07:31 PM
WOW! When I checked this thread last it was at like 38 posts.What a difference a day makes.LOL
2dogs,
I agree with Cal,Ballistics are Ballistics They don't change from one book to another.Maybe load data does but not the ballistics of the bullet.
I remember a while back questioning that type of long range shooting on coyotes. ![[Eek!]](eek.gif) Chad
[ February 27, 2006, 07:32 PM: Message edited by: UTcaller ]
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Cdog911
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posted February 27, 2006 07:39 PM
Well now, Leonard, I find myself compelled to make a remark about the merits of sticking my "nose" in a "cat"...
Since this is a family-friendly site, I'll refrain. Don't want some up and coming young hunter asking his mom what Mr. Cdog means with those tic marks, and, "Mommy, what's another word for cat? And, why would you put your nose in there?"
Nope. Don't wanna go there at all. Not at all.
Aside from that, I have nothing to contribute to this thread, so I'll just shut up and read.
Back to the brawl....>>>
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albert
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posted February 27, 2006 07:47 PM
Thanks Cal.
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Brad Norman
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posted February 27, 2006 07:49 PM
I've had plenty of beer reading all of 2dogs posts. Walk away man and try not to return every 2 minutes! Oh yeah...those damn ADC guys.
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Krustyklimber
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posted February 27, 2006 08:37 PM
Man, I'm glad I was gone hunting today.
Pouring rain, locked gates, bad bad bad roads, and Red forgetting his ammo, were still more fun than this looks like.
My condolences to all involved.
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Melvin
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posted February 27, 2006 09:26 PM
Tim very nice giant cat. But a real man would have a long barrel on his rifle.
And i thought it was a shotgun
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RedRabbit
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posted March 04, 2006 04:34 PM
I think he wants to make sure every granule is burned.
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Jay Nistetter
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posted March 08, 2006 07:39 AM
Tim,
Glad I finally got to see your new hat. I like it.
Why did you carry that cat all the way out there just for a picture? You planning on baiting for long range coyotes?
My strong suit is not math but from my rough calculations I came up with the following and may need some of you experts to grade my paper:
Let's assume a 20" sighting radius on a rifle. Ignore bullet drop for the moment.
A 1/100th inch (0.01-inch) misalignment of the sights too HIGH would have a 10.8" delta at 600 yards.
A misalignment of 0.015-inches too HIGH would have a 16.2" delta at 600 yards.
A misalignment of 0.02-inches too HIGH would have a 21.6" delta at 600 yards.
So if the gun is zeroed at 440 yards and drops 25 inches at 600 yards, then it would seem perfectly logical to me if that the "held on the hairline" statement was jerked up a couple hundredths of an inch making difference between the actual holdover (21.6”) and bullet drop (25”) a mere 3.4-inches which is well within the kill range.
Still pondering the drift, but it could be the bullet was a flyer and happened to hit the coyote. They gotta hit somewhere.
[ March 08, 2006, 07:42 AM: Message edited by: Jay Nistetter ]
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Cal Taylor
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posted March 08, 2006 08:39 AM
Jay, You truly are the "Devils Advocate"! I was just stating my opinion that with no rangefinder, no dialing of the scope and no holdover reference, and including gusty winds, that the chances of making shots like that with any regularity is virtually impossible. Anyone can make the very occasional lucky hail mary shot, but supposidly this happens quite regularly. In reality, it is damn hard to see a coyote with the naked eye at 600 yds. Here's another interesting point, with the information that we currently have on the 440 yard zero, at 200 yards he would be hitting roughly 10 inches high. So is he holding a foot low for those shots?
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Jay Nistetter
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posted March 08, 2006 09:10 AM
Hey Cal,
Not picking on you or anyone and certainly no disagreement on this end, but one of my personal pitfalls is that I tend to give everyone the benefit of the doubt (with the exception of Higgins of course). Well, Leonard too. Come to think of it Lance, Ronnie, Sue and Gerald. OK, there’s a whole internet full of fellows I occasionally doubt.
Anyway…All this kind’a ties in with Behle's "Hold my beer and watch this" don't it?
It’s tough to tell when luck approaches skeeel. LOL
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Leonard
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posted March 08, 2006 09:12 AM
I've noticed that 2dogs isn't participating, any longer. Wonder what might have offended him?
Maybe I should turn on the "private message" feature, but every other board that uses it, at some point, decides that it is most useful for pissing people off privately, rather than publically, escalating the bickering to two fronts.
so, 1/100 of an inch, eh? That explains many of my 600 yard misses.
Good hunting. LB
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scruffy
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posted March 08, 2006 09:59 AM
I guess some of you will just say this is more BS, so if you don't want to read it just ignore it... ![[Wink]](wink.gif)
"Larry", the guys that was with him, went back out to the spot of the shot and ranged where the coyote was, but didn't know the exact spot the coyote was standing, so he ranged the hillside where the coyote was, the shot was from 520 to 578 yards, depending on where the coyote was on that hillside. I think he said the rangefinder what a lieca (or however you spell it).
His scope has a mildot recticle. 2dogs had the horizontal axis set at 440 yards and had determined, using the mils above the horizontal axis, where to aim for 200, 100, etc, shorter ranges.
The wind was at his back. 5mph wind or 100 mph wind, drift is the same?
All of this, with the exception of the range finder results, is information that was previously posted in this or other threads by 2dogs.
He said he guessed on the range, he guessed alot better than I would have, LOL.
You can call it BS if you like. He probably won't be back here.
If I post a story of a kill I'll be sure to include facts verified with scales and range finders, or it'll just be a picture. I don't want anyone thinking I'm full of BS... ![[Roll Eyes]](rolleyes.gif)
Jay, what you said made since. 2dogs said a coyote at that range is pretty small (14x I assume), it's hard to say if the cross airs were on the top of his back, or a foot or so above, on a coyote moving up and down a bit as he walked, and then figure in any jump or flinch or pull as the trigger is pulled, at that range alot of little things add up to a big change in trajectory. Hense hits that shouldn't have been hits, or misses that should have been hits.
Lucky or BS, it's your perception I guess.
Cal, I don't know why anyone would get the percection that "supposidly this happens quite regularly". If you've been reading his posts you know that he regularly misses at these ranges. In his posts here you know he's connected on two long range this winter, missed a "boat load" more at that range as well as missing a close one at 70 yards he stalked in on.
2dogs has told me many times he doesn't need a "wing man", and I'm not posting this as such. I haven't felt like posting here either. Kind of feel that if what I post doesn't fit the mold of what you guys consider at "normal" it'll be assumed as BS.
Kind of like coyotes digging holes in the snow on the ice of Lake Red Rock a couple years ago. To get out of the wind? I wouldn't have believed coyotes would do that but two friends out ice fishing saw the tracks in the snow on the ice while ice fishing, followed the tracks to one hole, out popped a coyote from a hole. The next day and the following weekend they left the fishing poles at home (something I do all winter...) and took out their 22-250's and called multiple coyotes in from the holes in the snow on the ice.
So I guess it isn't a stretch for me that a coyote used a hole in the ground when they've used a hole in the snow on the ice?
BS? Coyotes don't do that??? Maybe here in Iowa the adaptable coyote has adapted to more easily survive the weather, hunters, wild dogs, hounds, who knows why? I don't know. Personally I don't care. If our coyotes don't fit your world, well, I guess that doesn't really effect me.
If you think I'm full of BS also, well, that's your right. Just let me know. I'll spend my time somewhere else also.
later,
scruffy
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Leonard
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posted March 08, 2006 11:02 AM
Good post, scruffy.
There are a few people that have mentioned that they are not comfortable with throwing lead at 600 yard coyotes.
And a few believe that an attempt to call them might work, but only if there would be a truce in jumping out of the truck and blasting away at every coyote, whether he's a makable shot or not.
I am trying to keep an open mind about "methods" in general. But, there are not many "stalk and shoot" predator hunting sites on the 'net, so those that practice this type of hunting should expect a few questions. I'm trying to be fair to everybody, but I can't fight every battle for the very few against the majority. Personally, I think there is some value in divergent points of view; food for thought.
It has been said before: if everybody agreed on everything, we wouldn't need message boards, or get bored to death.
As far as 2dogs, if you think he is picked on, you should see some of the flack directed at Krusty, yet he is still hanging in there. I know what you are going to say: "who needs the abuse" right? And, you would have a good point.
These forums aren't perfect, just cheap entertainment that keeps us out of the Honky Tonks, spending money on fat chicks.
Good hunting. LB
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2dogs
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posted March 08, 2006 11:23 AM
Man, this is like a novel or something...LOL!.
No problem with disagreements. Personally, I can't respect "anyone" who always agrees.It would be a boring life if everyone kissed each other's hiney. "My problem" arose, when my [deceased Father] was drug into it. The "BS" part was just the frosting.
I don't hate anyone on here. But I did @ that moment. ADC folks = good
I agree, I don't generally play well with other's...somedays. Can't help that, eh.
I recall reading recently, [Q] does some spot/stalking as well ![[Cool]](cool.gif) . Hey, I never said, I was a "caller" LOL!, but learned from this site .
Banter or disagreeing, is fine. But agression, I'd rather do in person.
Later,
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Leonard
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posted March 08, 2006 12:11 PM
You are absolutely right, 2dogs! Quinton did admit to spot and stalk, and if the truth were known, a lot of people do it from time to time, myself included.
You and Charlene are welcome to discuss anything you like, including those "Hail Mary's" that many others try, from time to time. Be careful about specifics, that is where others pay close attention. Just something you learn, sooner or later. And "coyote" holes, eh?
Good hunting. LB
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