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Posted by Seldom Ever (Member # 185) on May 15, 2003, 02:07 PM:

a major coyote area, a hot spot if you will,where they spend most of there time when not roaming ?

Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on May 15, 2003, 03:56 PM:

Very hard to quantify. A coyote requires the same things as other animals. Generally speaking, where you find cattle, you find coyotes. Where there are deer, there will also be coyotes. Where the rabbits are numerous, there should also be coyotes. These things are not always true, but that's why you have to do your own homework.

Good hunting. LB

Posted by Seldom Ever (Member # 185) on May 15, 2003, 04:01 PM:

hehe,ok,thanks for the answer.I guess I was looking for the unusual.I figured on hair,scat,bones,etc.,but thought there might be something more significant or unusual.

Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on May 15, 2003, 04:37 PM:

Well, it might be if coyotes weren't so mobil. No, searching for those specific things is not going to do you as much good as keeping an eye out for "Gamey" looking habitat. When you find that, start looking for tracks and scat.

Good hunting. LB

Posted by Seldom Ever (Member # 185) on May 15, 2003, 04:52 PM:

Ok,going by that,I'm already in some prime areas then.What concerned me was a trapper friend of mine,who said that yotes ranged so far,they might be here one day,and gone for a week.

Posted by Rich Higgins (Member # 3) on May 15, 2003, 06:06 PM:

I've been to W.Va. but I've never hunted there. I have hunted So Mo. and Arkansas where the terrain is similar to your's. Hard wood forests, hills and deep hollows. Your trapper friend is right, low population densities make for large territories and home ranges. You have to locate the coyotes before you try to call them. Coyotes won't come to a call that they can't hear. Ask the locals that live in coyote home ranges to call you when they hear howling and you learn to use your howler as a locator. Goat and poultry raisers are particularly inclined to co-operate.

Posted by Seldom Ever (Member # 185) on May 15, 2003, 06:30 PM:

Thanks for the advice.My friend is real savvy on stuff like that,I spent the first 15 years of my hunting life,hunting every Saturday with him.He is one of those old country boys,retired now,who had to hunt barefooted to eat.His daddy was a log roller for the sawmills on the river,made a $1 a day back then.

Apparently our coyote populations are increasing at a rapid rate, as they are being seen and heard much more,and some are starting to stay in one general area.Surely some of the being seen and heard more is partly due to the dogs moving around as you've mentioned ?

Stll though,I am really glad they are here...10 years ago there was no such thing here,but the population keeps expanding every year. There is a lot of food for them in this state,and plenty of places to hide.If you are ever down this way [ or up,as the case may be] look me up,I'll do my best to put you in some prime country, that's a promise.

Posted by Terry Hunter (Member # 58) on May 17, 2003, 11:39 AM:

Seldom W.VA is like E.TN not good for coyote hunting.Your best chance is the 1st hour of daylight.On a cloudy day the 1st two hours of daylight.

Hunt near livestock coyotes will be close.Your area does not have many coyotes yet.It may be necessary to hunt the same area every day for a week.

Hunting the thick eastern woods is hard at best.Use the wind to your advantage and call the coyotes into the pasture.In areas where you have more woods than pasture you will be backdored.

Coyotes like to hunt pasture but no more than 50 ft from the woods.So the are close to cover.

Misting will improve your chances.

Posted by Seldom Ever (Member # 185) on May 17, 2003, 11:47 AM:

Hey Terry.Thanks for the input,can't hunt near cattle on public land,but not to worry,there's yotes on the public land.They seem to get more numerous every year. We must have more of them that East Tennessee, because someone sees one all the time and it's not uncommon to hear them howling while coming to the truck from a hunt, at night ?

By the way Terry,I was raised in Tennessee.Franklin county.Sewanee,to be exact.

Posted by Terry Hunter (Member # 58) on May 18, 2003, 11:17 AM:

A few years ago I hunted one weekend between Sand Switch and Grundy County.Hard hunting.Plenty of bobcats but they were small.Cats in my area are larger.

Posted by Seldom Ever (Member # 185) on May 18, 2003, 11:19 AM:

No doubt,we have some dinky bobcats here,I guess because they are so numerous ?

Grundy County is in Virginia

Posted by Terry Hunter (Member # 58) on May 18, 2003, 02:55 PM:

Seldom
Monteagle and Tracy City are in Grundy County Tennessee.East of Franklin County.

Posted by Seldom Ever (Member # 185) on May 18, 2003, 03:21 PM:

Heck then Terry,you are in my old stomping grounds,I have been to monteagle many times! My dad got drunk in a bar there a couple of times and I had to go get him! It is on one end of Sewanee,and Cowan and Winchester are on the other! I know where you are now. That whole area was rough country when I was a kid there.

First time I was back in Tennessee was when I went striper fishing with a buddy at Cherokee [?] lake. I enjoyed being back in Tennesssee,but hated the striper fishing.I'd rather be hunting anyday.

Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on May 18, 2003, 05:59 PM:

quote:
Hey Terry.Thanks for the input,can't hunt near cattle on public land,but not to worry,there's yotes on the public land.

SE, I should have warned you not to step out of line "over there". And, in just 24 hours, tsk tsk.

They are correctly called coyotes, as you are aware; but you are welcome to use whatever word suits you, in this house. [Smile]

Good hunting. LB

Posted by Seldom Ever (Member # 185) on May 18, 2003, 06:17 PM:

That's alright, I'm used to somebody "dogging" me all the time anyway,hehehehehe!

That was a yote,I mean a yoke....I mean a joke [Big Grin]

Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on May 31, 2003, 01:59 PM:

Topic: What are the signs of..
a major coyote area, a hot spot if you will?

WELCOME TO ARIZONA

Good hunting. LB

Posted by Rich Higgins (Member # 3) on May 31, 2003, 02:29 PM:

I like that. Clever.

Posted by Seldom Ever (Member # 185) on May 31, 2003, 02:32 PM:

hehehehehe!

Posted by onecoyote (Member # 129) on May 31, 2003, 07:03 PM:

Arizona very well may be the best place on earth for coyotes in big numbers, but Mexico is a close second and in the right place could probably out do Arizona. If you want to say THE hot spot for coyotes, bobcats and gray fox, I'd say Baja wins. Just my opinion, Good Hunting. PS I'm ready for the backlash. [Big Grin]

Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on May 31, 2003, 07:48 PM:

What backlash, Danny?

Yeah, Baja wins...very seldom. hehehe

San Gabriel Chapter is what wins, I don't have to remind you of that.

Arizona is still possible. Mexico isn't possible. Any more.

Besides, I'd take Sonora over Baja. IMHO.

Good hunting. LB

PS visualize this; if you can?

"WELCOME TO MEXICO"

[ May 31, 2003, 07:51 PM: Message edited by: Leonard ]

Posted by onecoyote (Member # 129) on June 01, 2003, 06:13 PM:

Darn, I though I posted a rebuttal? Leonard, Whats up with coyote hunting in Mexico? I think the last time I was hunting down there was in 88 and we needed gun permits and a Mexican hunting lic, it cost about 350 dollers. At the time you could take 6 coyotes a year in Baja lol that many came in on alot of the stands. We had a lic to hunt Sonora too, Granville and I hunted across from the rez, I couldn't believe how many coyotes were there. Jim T. hunted you know where before he went to Utah and that was in the mid 90s. Why did they stop it or did they? Where we killing to many of there coyotes. So you think ---- should be #3 huh? Ok, Remember back in 1970 something. Jim T. Skip C. and someone else came back to the state check-in and dumped out 12 or 15 bobcats ( one or the other, I forgot) they had a total of 42 animals and was the first team to ever brake the 400 point mark. (Till Rick broke the record, but he needed that big cat to do it)Like I said, I'm with you on coyotes in Arizona and Sonora it's awesome thats for sure. But for a mixed bag I'd take ---- over the other two. Leonard, do you remember Rex M, he moved to Idaho. That guy said he was hunting California? He'd bring back lots of animals too, bobcats, coyotes, gray fox to the check-ins. I remember one state hunt he had 39 animals and said he got them in camp Pendleton because he knew someone, not even God can hunt predators at the place. That guy was a big time cheater, Lyle and Rick challenged him to a lie detector test, they were going to pay for it but good old honest Rex didn't do it. It P*&%^# me off because we came in 3rd place on that state hunt with 24 coyotes and Jim T had 27, Damn cheaters lol. Never saw Rex M go on another State hunt after that. By the way, I admit SG was far Above the other chapters, OC did em in now and then but overall with guys like Rick, Lyle, Sun---- and a few others, you guys were hard to beat.

Posted by Wiley E (Member # 108) on June 01, 2003, 06:59 PM:

Rich Higgins is correct. You need to know where the coyotes are right now, not where they were. The freshest sign is vocalizations.

~SH~

Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on June 01, 2003, 07:04 PM:

Yeah, Mexico is out of the question, for Club Hunts, anyways? That's the last price I heard, we paid it once, and decided we had better options, especially considering the stupid guide requirements and the body parts restrictions, not to mention the Federales.

Yeah, I remember Rex, and his partner Terry. There's a pair to draw to! Total cheaters. You remember another Rex, good guy, not to be confused with those two.

As far as Baja, yes, a mixed bag was one of the best parts, but for a mess of coyotes, we know... That hunt you speak of included one Sunday morning daylight stand of twelve coyotes!

Good hunting. LB

edit: something about the shear stupidity of smuggling coyotes out of Mexico really gives me a case of the giggles! Hard to visualize, I know.

[ June 01, 2003, 07:13 PM: Message edited by: Leonard ]

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