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Topic: Getting a new e-caller...help
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Bud/OR
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posted December 26, 2004 12:11 PM
Hi Guys.
I have a dilemma. I need to upgrade from my Cabellas tape caller to a digital. I ordered/back-ordered a J.S. Bushwhacker and extra cards from Cabellas. A week later I received an order cancellation from them. Aparently Hunter specialties can't produce until May.
I e-mailed H.S and found out (God loves me)that the Bushwhacker, when it't available, will weigh 7 plus pounds. I don't think so.
Currently, I have it boiled down between Foxpro and Loudmouth. I have to think that there are some of you out there that have used both(or other e-callers). I would respect your input. Which is the better machine, Re; sound clarity, ease of adding sounds, volume? I don't think I'd ever setup more than 100yds from the speaker so Foxpro's 700 yd claim is moot. Also, they weigh about the same, super-light.
Second question; Is there a better machine that you might recommend?
Thanks a bunch.
Bud
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Rich Higgins
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posted December 26, 2004 02:10 PM
Bud, since you asked I'll try to be as objective as possible. I have a Loudmouth. A few of my friends who are members of this board are Foxpro field staff and I have hunted over their callers. At this point I see little difference in the merits of each machine. Function, sound quality, design are all similar, as one would expect knowing that Wayne Buckley designed both callers. I like Wayne, good man, and he has had a very tough time getting his caller to market. I admire his grit and resolve. He won't quit. Dave and Cal and Byron and Jay, like and respect Mike Dillon of Foxpro. I think highly of them and their opinions. So at this point I would have to say that you can't go wrong with either machine.
That said, if I could wait for a relatively short time before buying a caller I would do so. There are some innovations in the making that will make a difference to you.
[ December 26, 2004, 04:47 PM: Message edited by: Rich Higgins ]
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posted December 26, 2004 03:32 PM
Mr. Higgins,
Very well said!
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Norm
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posted December 26, 2004 04:09 PM
Rich; Well said;
But you opened the door... What type of innovations are possibly in the works with any of these e-callers???
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Tim Behle
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posted December 26, 2004 05:20 PM
Bud,
I bought a Foxpro a year ago, while waiting on a few new things to come out from JS/HS Still waiting.
I got the cheaper unit with out the remote, but it has a 60 second delay.
I almost hate to admit it, I love JS products, but I haven't used much else since I bought the FoxPro. When I head out in the morning, it will be the Foxpro beside me.
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Bud/OR
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posted December 26, 2004 05:24 PM
Mr. Higgins,Sir,
I love cryptic so I will not question your inside knowledge. What I will do is wait a while to see what good things will come to me.
Thank you, thank you.
Bud
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Leonard
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posted December 27, 2004 12:11 AM
One thing I noticed, while using a Loudmouth, is tthe sounds are not as good as they could be. But, that may be a thing of the past, since we were using a preproduction model?
As I understand it, Foxpro has quite a large selection of sounds, or you can use your own. Loudmouth may, as well, I don't know?
Good hunting. LB
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Cal Taylor
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posted December 27, 2004 07:19 AM
Bud, If you have any FoxPro questions I would be glad to answer them. You can ask here or E-mail me.
Rich, Are you saying that Buckley designed the FoxPro? I sure didn't know that. You stated that he designed both callers.
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posted December 27, 2004 08:29 AM
I'm very partial to the Foxpro as well. That's why I agreed to be a Field Staffer for Foxpro. I had spent my hard earned money and been using one for several years before they asked me about doing the field staff thing. I was honored to be asked. I know that Foxpro has some pretty darn good sounds too, Cal Taylor and I have each recorded some of them.
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FOXPRO
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posted December 27, 2004 10:25 AM
Hi Rich Higgins,
Now, you definitely have my full attention. Please explain to me how Wayne has designed our units? I will promise you one thing, and that is that my father has designed our unit from the ground up by himself. In fact, I think you will find that just the opposite is true. Our units have been in production for 10 years now. Other people will take a product, like ours, to an outside engineer for design. The sure way to tell is ask them how they laid out their circuit board, or what the purpose of a capacitor is. If they tell you they have to check with their engineer, then that is the sure bet that they did not design a unit. Some people are engineers, and some are chimney sweepers. You get the idea. I hope that what you said was a typo! Give me a call at our toll free no. (866-463-6977) for any information that you need. Thanks, Rich!
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Leonard
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posted December 27, 2004 10:43 AM
Welcome to the New Huntmasters, FOXPRO. Glad to have you on board.
I have heard a bit about the history of the two enterprises in question. These gentlemen apparently, were associates to some degree, at one time?
Whatever happened is between them, and not of our concern, as I do not wish our members to have to choose sides.
I'm neutral. Huntmasters is neutral.
Good hunting. LB
PS wow, I must not be as stupid as my critics think I am; since I know what a capacitor is, and what it does. ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
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p.s.--I don't mean to sound upset, but this STORY will stop in a hurry!
One thing I'd like to point out(respectfully) is that stories on this Board stop when I say so.
[ December 27, 2004, 10:50 AM: Message edited by: Leonard ]
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FOXPRO
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posted December 27, 2004 11:11 AM
Hi Leonard,
Thanks for the welcome. The 2 were never associated(my father has NEVER been associated with anyone!), until Wayne confronted Dad after the FOXPRO was already in production. He wanted some help in a remote system, which was never done. Again, Dads capabilities are far and beyond that of any other engineers in the industry(maybe I'm partial, but I have seen what he can do, and believe me, there is more to come!)
As far as the STORY goes, Leonard, I was talking about clearing up any untruths, and not telling people to stop. That is why STORY was bold, and not stop. Thanks!
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Leonard
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posted December 27, 2004 11:27 AM
Okay, cool, Foxpro. Just be civil.
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EL BEE Knows It All and Done It All.
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Bud/OR
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posted December 27, 2004 11:38 AM
Gee Fellas,
I hope the info glitch doesn't stop anyone from telling me their views on which they think is the best unit and why. My problem on choice is that I've heard/read nothing but great things about both machines.
Also...The only reason I have this board on my 'favorites' list is that I can't find another board with the huge amount of expertise that I find here. Please do not regard this as blowing smoke up your butt.! It is not! I don't say what I don't mean. This respect certainly pertains to Rich Higgins.
Just my take.
Bud
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Cal Taylor
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posted December 27, 2004 01:30 PM
Bud, You are right, there are some great guys here. Higgins amongst them. I really enjoy this place of Leonards. No one was trying to start a "whats the best caller" argument I'm sure. They all work, and everyone has their favorites, just like hand calls. I can pick what I like about the FoxPro over another call and someone else can have a completely different take on what they want in particular. Its all up to personal taste. I just hadn't heard the story about Buckley having anything to do with designing the FoxPro and I'm glad that Mike was able to come here and tell it like it is. I'm not sure if it was a typo on Rich's part, or if he was just mis-informed. Either could have happened and both are understandable.
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Leonard
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posted December 27, 2004 01:58 PM
There are always two sides.
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Bud/OR
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posted December 28, 2004 08:38 AM
Hey Cal,
I really like that thing about the 'Two wolves and a lamb'. Reminds me of how I feel every time I'm called in to talk to my area managers. It's a shame I can't go armed.
Hey Guys, I'd be in Eastern OR. right now if we hadn't been sidetracked getting our hunting clothes scented up. Are you guys still using that Leonard/Rich...Secret sauce that you were talking about last year? I made some. Think it was a combo of cat, coyote and frog urine; bad stuff Maynard. I only get to use it if we're riding in my vehicle...I hunt with sissies. Can't use it this time.
Bud.
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Leonard
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posted December 28, 2004 09:07 AM
FROG URINE? You guys keep messing with a classic recipe at your own peril.
LB's Magic Mist should be three parts rabbit and one part coyote, and then dilute it with an equal amount of water.
Good hunting. LB
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Jay Nistetter
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posted December 28, 2004 10:28 AM
I think Higgin's "innovation" remark was more geared towards the Electric Rhino. It evens out the playing field for those who are "Blow Challenged".
Watch for the new ads coming out... "Blow Like A Pro"
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Rich Higgins
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posted December 28, 2004 10:34 AM
Leonard, I devoted a segment of the video to Leonard's Magic Mist. It's titled "The Case for Misting". I don't give my recipe but one in one clip that has a fox sniffing the rocks and bushes a few feet from me I do say what all he is smelling. You probably won't like it.
BTW, finished the video this past weekend, sending everything back to Atlanta tomorrow for their end of it. We'll see how long they take.
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posted December 28, 2004 10:48 AM
Congrats Rich! Sending it off HAD to feel good. Only thing that will feel better, is sending out your first shipment.
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Leonard
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posted December 28, 2004 10:48 AM
I hate these teasers! Why wouldn't I like it? Did you use a bastard formula, or what? Whatever works, it's not illegal. LB
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Bud/OR
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posted December 28, 2004 01:27 PM
Leonard,
Rabbit and Coyote....?
Sheesh...That's depressing.
If you had a clue what I had to go through to get good, lure quality, frog pee...My fingers are still pruney...I don't even want to think about getting cat urine. I just healed up...The wife's cat doesn't stay around much anymore, but that's a plus.
Maybe if I make your real recipe people won't gag when it blows back on them. Yeah, Yeah, I bet it's the frog urine that smells so bad.
Poor old dumb Bud
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posted December 28, 2004 07:47 PM
You should have sidestepped the mix and just gone hunting this time. :>) By the way, where the hell are you finding frogs around here this time of year? Those probably aint frog in the millrace, you know. Ha ha Loren
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Bill Martz
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posted December 29, 2004 09:02 PM
Hello Boys
I think it's time to clear the air once again.
Mr. FOXPRO said "Again, Dads capabilities are far and beyond that of any other engineers in the industry(maybe I'm partial, but I have seen what he can do, and believe me, there is more to come!)
Reply: If that's the case, why, with all of that engineering knowledge do you guys continue to design analog 4 bit 3Khz sound systems? The fact
is, you really don't need to design anything because the Windbond Corp and others will provide you with an application .pdf that will show you how to apply their product (speech coder). For your info, we were the first to design for any application, CD quality 16 bit 44.1Khz stand alone sound systems in the USA. That was back in 1992. Here it is in 2005 and FOXPRO is still implementing off the shelf toy class audio products which any electronic novice could design and do a board layout overnight.
The second issue that will be corrected relates to a post you have authored relative to the term volume.
Mr. FOXPRO said " I believe you are looking for a decibal rating. This is how volume is measured. Wattage does not mean anything in correlation with volume. Our system, depending on what sound you are measuring, can achieve volumes of 115+ db.
Reply: The decible level of a speaker in large part depicts the efficiency of a speaker. It's a very misleading spec. regarding volume.
Example: Mr. FOXPRO states that his speaker which is typically used for alarm systems, not audio, produces 115Db plus spl levels. If you believe that the decible level of speaker equates to its max volume, then that must mean the the FOXPRO is louder than the Wildlife Technologies system because our speaker, which is designed to produce quality audio will only reach 113Db SPL. Well let me tell you boys, it aint so. The FOXPRO produces about 1 watt of audio power. Our system produces approx. 14 watts of audio power. It will blow the FOXPRO off the table. These are real facts formed by real electrical engineering benchmarks. I also see that GS is now saying that the volume produced by a speaker is directly porportional to the power produced in the power amplifier. I wonder where he learned that from. I remember when he was selling 3 different speakers with his tape player. The speaker that shipped with the caller, a mid range speaker (15 watts), and a long range 25 watt speaker. The reality is that the power amplifier in that tape machine was only capable of producing approx. 8 watts of power. So it didn't matter what speaker the user would attach to the tape player because the power amp only produced approx. 8 watts of power. If that is a fact, why would anyone sell customers higher wattage speakers knowing the power amp couldn't produce enough watts to drive them? Hmmmm.
Mr. Higgins
Please don't jump into this conversation with hearsay and rumors. If you have something to say, make sure it's factual. You remind me of a fat cow on ice. Slipping and sliding all over the place. Maybe you could ask your friend Tom Bectel to help you out. You know, the coyote god in PA that claims to harvest 200 or 300 coyotes a year along with maybe a 100 fox. That same person also told me that he gives about 100 seminars a year. Wow, what a busy guy. Funny thing, when this fellow asked me for a position in our company he confided that he really doesn't call that many animals per year. More like 1 or 2 coyotes a year. Just another fraud like many others operating in this industry. Trying to make a buck any way thay can at the expense of their integrity. By the way Mr. Higgins, thank you for the review on our Coyote DVD. It reveiled your true potential.
The last issue: A lot of you have been using copyrighted, intellectual property rights originated, authored and owned by Wildlife Technologies. What I am talking about is coyote behavior and coyote communications. It's only recently that I have noticed some of you guys are starting to talk like you know something about the subject. Just to let you in on a big secret, starting in 1982 we began to file our intellectual property rights on wildlife behavior and communication. If you want to use our copyrighted info in conversation thats fine. Just don't try to make yourself look like an expert with our copyrighted research. After speaking with a few of you guys on the phone I noticed that you would post as soon as possible to tell everyone what an expert you are with coyotes. You should be ashamed of yourselves.
Your friend
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