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Jay Nistetter
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posted December 31, 2004 08:27 PM
Bill,
What are a couple of the most off-the-wall sounds you have in your library?
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Leonard
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posted December 31, 2004 09:02 PM
I hope he got "coyote flatulence", a sound that really requires studio quality, to appreciate.
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Steve Craig
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posted January 01, 2005 05:19 AM
I know the answer to that one.
It is Alvin and the Chipmunks singing Christmas,Chistmas! I used to play it for my clients on the last stand of the last day at the last minute of their hunt! Always brought a good laugh.
Steve
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Rich Higgins
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posted January 01, 2005 07:16 AM
Steve, ever have anything pop-up at the last minute while playing Alvin?
Tyler and I will occasionally play Happy Birthday or the Star-Spangled Banner on an AP6 when we are ready to cut a stand. I can't ever remember anything coming into it. Probably why we were ending the stand.
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varmit hunter
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posted January 01, 2005 07:36 AM
Rich, They cant come when there standing up with there paws over there heart. I have had good luck with the Highway to Hell by AC/DC.
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Rich Higgins
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posted January 01, 2005 08:34 AM
Very good, Ronnie. I see you are feeling better today. ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
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LionHo
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posted January 03, 2005 10:19 AM
Early on I had a large male bobcat stroll past me at about 6 feet, the very first day afield with my first-ever mouth call, a closed-reed Burnam Bros walnut tube with a cottontail voice. He arrived shortly after I'd given up on the stand--right after I'd played the Monty Python's Flying Circus theme song.
LionHo
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LionHo
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posted January 03, 2005 10:32 AM
I've been calling critters way close for too many years (mostly with just lipsqueaks or an open reed call or some scratchy old cassette tape of a cottontail played over a generic walkman with decent amplified speakers), to believe that the some fancy piece of electronics can make anyone an expert hunter.
That said, I STILL believe that my 48-bit 320kbps .mp3 recordings kick butt. Because I can capture 22+KHz mouse squeaks or lipsqueaks, and when I play them back there's actually something there.
LionHo
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Rich Higgins
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posted January 03, 2005 01:24 PM
Lion Ho (I still can't get that visual out of my head ) Hi again. How did you record the mouse squeaks? That is probably the most killer distress out there. I can't remember how many times I've had coyotes that will not approach any closer with other sounds suddenly come in at a quick pace when I give them a good high pitched lip-squeak. Of course you have to have studio quality lips to make the proper sound.
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LionHo
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posted January 03, 2005 06:04 PM
I happen to be blessed with a lucky lil air gap between my right front tooth and bicuspid. Also went and boned up on Ishi, Last of the Yaqui. Then one day I live-trapped 3 blind baby mice.
Marched them and my teeth over to my older IBM ThinkPad laptop that has a pretty decent Yamaha soundcard,(this one happens to have lower noise and better specs than most), to which I had plugged in a $20 LabTec AM-222 microphone.
Turns out some of my live mouse, CritR Call, lipsqueak and mylar-between-the-thumbs recordings (recorded directly to GoldWave, saved/ripped as .mp3s with the LAME codec), when played back using the graphing feature of GoldWave, can hit audio frequencies over 20 kHz, some as high as 23 kHz.Which happens to be a good 3 kHz higher than the .wav standard used in CDs.
(Your guess is as good as mine as to why .wav is still considered the gold standard of digital audio recording.)
High-pitched stuff like this is nigh impossible to reproduce with the other components of a typical predator-calling system, definitely not happening with the usual powerhorn. But it's not out of reach of .mp3 players. Car stereo speakers come close. Built my own rig, for about a quarter the cost of the high-priced one you can't even download your own sounds to. Happily, none of this is rocket science nowadays.
LionHo
"HEY KIDS--Now You Too Can Learn How to Become a Sound Engineer In As Little as 6 Weeks in Your Spare Time--For Free!-- at Google U."
[ January 03, 2005, 06:15 PM: Message edited by: LionHo ]
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Rich Higgins
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posted January 03, 2005 08:28 PM
I read Saxton Pope's account, don't remember anything about mouse squeaks. Diet, fasting for the deer hunt, decoying the deer, but that's all.
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Jay Nistetter
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posted January 03, 2005 08:53 PM
L-Ho
Are you using the shareware GoldWave or do you use the full blown version? Am really interested if I should upgrade.
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LionHo
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posted January 04, 2005 02:46 AM
Rich,
Hey, I'm not saying specifically that Ishi stretched Mylar between his thumbs --prolly should clarify what I meant was that I took to heart his making an industry outa being a living artifact
Jay,
I've got v4.25 and it's just shareware. Had to separately download and embed the LAME codec, as I recall. Couple of non-intuitive quirks to it, but somebody later mentioned newer versions don't have some of the features I use all the time, (e.g. the Noise Gate Filter), which is why I've hung in there with v4.25.
LionHo
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Jay Nistetter
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posted January 04, 2005 06:51 AM
Same here. The newer version has less features so I went back to the old. The LAME codec was a seperate downlod specifically for the MP3.
BTW... Boddicker has these old Ishi calls and Alcorn calls and he let me take some photos. Pretty crude and did use latex stretched over the end.
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Understanding the coyote is not as important as knowing where they are.
I usually let the fur prime up before I leave 'em lay.
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Leonard
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posted January 04, 2005 07:51 AM
Are we talking about the dude that has his pickled brain floating in a mayonaise jar? That Ishi?
If you gentlemen are truly predator hunters, how come you can hear mouse squeaks?
Good hunting. LB
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Jay Nistetter
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posted January 04, 2005 09:15 AM
Not really sure I understand what you're sayting Leonard. Are you sure you're not pickled?
Anyway... Theres a big hunt coming up and it's raining, flooding and snowing big time here in AZ. Sure wish Higgins would leave so I can get some hunting in.
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Understanding the coyote is not as important as knowing where they are.
I usually let the fur prime up before I leave 'em lay.
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Rich Higgins
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posted January 04, 2005 10:25 AM
Leonard, that is one and the same. Makes you wonder about Jay?
Jay, I would love to see the photos. Did Ishi sell his calls commercially. Did he trade for beads and mirrors or did he sell for wampum?
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Rich Higgins
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posted January 04, 2005 10:27 AM
Jay, your wish is granted. I'm leaving the state tomorrow for a few days. Better enjoy the good weather while you can.
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LionHo
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posted January 04, 2005 10:50 AM
Perhaps I'm paraphrasing, but wasn't it Chief Wolfson of the Nez Pince who said
"When the last Mink Baby Distress falls silent, when there are no Fleming Hares yet echoing through the taiga, I will squeeze mice until they squeak--for I am a Predator Caller?"
[Hey--Maybe Bomba know? Sure he know how stretch latex tight over end of tube!]
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Leonard
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posted January 04, 2005 10:54 AM
Rich, shouldn't you be packing?
I'm still wondering how a lifelong hunter and shooter manages to hear mouse squeaks?
Good hunting. LB
edit: Lyin ho:(an oxymoron) I think you are "mega" paraphrasing?
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Rich Higgins
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posted January 04, 2005 11:13 AM
1. I am packed, chompin' at the bit.
2. teflon eardrums
3. living up to his name
edit: that was funny and clever though. What the hell is a taiga and do I need one?
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LionHo
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posted January 04, 2005 11:15 AM
I mostly call to the camera; then I found that my Crit R Call was taking a toll on my hearing. Another reason for the e-caller. These days when shooting I try to remember to use earplugs.
So even though we can't hear everything the mice have to tell us--maybe the coyote can't either. There's a UC Berkeley biological field station a few miles north of here (Hastings *********** in Carmel Valley). Intersting place, visited there a couple of weeks back and heard the head cheese talking about a recent discovery and the research project they are currently running, using an array of borrowed bat-squeak microphones to record the nocturnal back-and-forth serenading that California Mice do... at 30,000 hertz!
LionHo
PS--Anybody have a link to scientific research or other source on the sensitivity of predator hearing?
[don't know why it's blocked and seems to resist editing--oxymoronic???--but that pesky row of asterisks above should read "R...E...S...E...R...V...A...T...I...O...N", which place I perhaps need to repair back to now, with all due haste.]
[ January 04, 2005, 11:26 AM: Message edited by: LionHo ]
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LionHo
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posted January 04, 2005 12:20 PM
A taiga is, according to Webster's New World Dictionary, "a type of transitional plant community that is located between the Arctic tundra and the boreal coniferous forests, having scattered trees."
As to whether a taiga is a desirable thing to possess or strive for, Rich Higgins question reminds me that not all taiga is Drunken Forest, but all Drunken Forest is found in the taiga, as I recollect:
http://www.gi.alaska.edu/ScienceForum/ASF12/1253.html
Must be where the Fleming--or do they mean "Phlegming"?-- Hares abound: (and ahem, ahem, getting this tread back on, ahem, the roller-coastery track, GHAAACK):
http://www.wildlifetech.com/pages/sounds.htm
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Jay Nistetter
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posted January 04, 2005 01:01 PM
The calls are Alcorn's calls in the possession of Major.
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Leonard
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posted January 04, 2005 01:35 PM
Sorry, Lionho. That's a banned word, for some reason, maybe it's a bug in the program?
Jay worked around restrictions, and I had to take away his vowels until he promised to behave.
Good hunting. LB
Rich, you owe me an email.
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