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coyote whacker
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posted October 15, 2009 05:56 PM
I see many are very closed minded and not willing to try other things and listen to montra on the subject of e callers.
On another site I once again heard that only one brand will work on coyotes LOL. I guess some will never get it, not the caller or sounds used but to use sounds others aren't using and modifying there setups, has far more to do with success than brand type.
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TOM64
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posted October 15, 2009 07:25 PM
I toted a Johnny Stewart 512 around long enough to know the "cassette quality" sounds brought in a ton of critters.
I wanted lighter weight so I got a preymaster, it too called critters.
I wanted a wireless caller so I bought a Fox Pro 416, it flat out sucked. I hated the remote that never worked and when it did it rarely called a critter. Sold it and went back to hand calls.
Cousin bought a Fox Pro FX3 a year or three later, it called a ton of coyotes.
I wanted light weight and wireless remote that worked. Bought a Minaska Bandit, it called critters when it wasn't back at the shop, POS!
Have a buddy that bought a WT, the large version and it calls coyotes.
I bought a Fury and while it was light enough, the remote worked great, it sounded good to me and called critters, I sold it to my cousin and bought a CS24, just because.
So just give me a caller with a good remote, a good speaker that is loud enough and one that is easily portable. I also want to be able to add sounds, my sounds, your sounds, any sounds. All the rest is BS.
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coyote whacker
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posted October 15, 2009 07:28 PM
exactly ![[Cool]](cool.gif)
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Kelly Jackson
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posted October 15, 2009 07:48 PM
Ecalls are good and all that, but after work today, I took my next door neighbor out behind his house and had a real nice tom cat show up within 5 minutes using tweety. I lip squeaked him in to less that 10 yards. Cat season here don’t start till December, so he got a free pass…
Then two coyotes started howling. One to the east and one to the south. Did my best rendition of a couple of coyotes on the power howler waited a couple of minutes and then done some hurt coyote sounds. Had a big male come it and start standing on his hind legs to see what all the ruckus was about. I waited till he settled and popped him just under the eye. The 2nd coyote was cussin and raising hell. I did a few growls and hurt coyote sounds. Then finally spotted it about 200 out. Should have killed it, but I missed it clean.
I hate when that happens. Anyway the neighbor told me that was better than anything on the outdoor channel…lol
Ecalls work and hand calls still will get the job done.
Kelly
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Cdog911
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posted October 15, 2009 08:08 PM
Good topic. Personally, it's been my experience that far too many people are misled to believe that the critical part of calling coyotes has to do with the calling, when it's actually more about knowing your coyotes. Too many newbs hit the field and fail, then blame their inability to call on the equipment when it's their lack of knowing their prey that is to blame. Then again, knowing coyotes requires that they be willing to spend the time studying them, learning about them, comparing what they read with what they see firsthand in the field and just plain paying their dues, and fewer and fewer guys are willing to give that much of themselves to the game. As long as they maintain that mindset, it'll always be the e-caller's fault.
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coyote whacker
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posted October 16, 2009 12:36 PM
once again exactly
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Lonny
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posted October 16, 2009 04:17 PM
Cdog, Well stated and so truthful. It's funny how the newb assumes that the magical e-call will automatically put a half-dozen "yotes" on the ground every time out.
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Kokopelli
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posted October 16, 2009 08:57 PM
A wee bit of perspective, if I may;
Several years ago, back when the 512 was still state of the art, following directions that I found on another site (possibly PMS) I assembled an "E-Caller". It consisted of a cheap WalkMan type tape player, a Radio Shack amp & horn speaker and some cables. Everything was stuffed into a project box with the speaker mounted to the top. Holes were cut into the side for access to the controls. I named it the 'Possum Pro. It had quite a bit of white nose & distortion as the volume was increased. At least it was lighter than the 512. Still; I built the thing and had to try it.
Funny thing; That unit has called in a fair number of coyotes and a few bobcats that stayed for the skinning demo after meeting my shotgun. It even called in a buck one rainy day up around Krusty Korners.
I don't know if better sound quality would have called in more coyotes, better bobcats or a bigger buck, but I do suspect that this ongoing pissing contest over e-callers is a load of crap.
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Leonard
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posted October 16, 2009 09:39 PM
Yeah, well I have been saying that (on the friggin' Internet) for MANY years, on a number of different message boards! It HAS to be. Hand calls don't reproduce or mimic true animal vocalizations, but they call coyotes with boring regularity.
As you say, a 512, I still have a couple, somewhere, those cassettes have called a bunch of animals with warn out and duplicated tapes and crummy speakers.
Before that, I called a hell of a lot of predators of every description with several different 8 track tape decks!
The big deal, besides instantanious changing of sounds, is the remote capability. Some day I will show you the reel and the extention cord I used to pay out and roll up after every stand. It deserves to be in that museum...but I killed coyotes, don't think it can't be done without 6-800 dollars worth of hitech gear and "studio quality" genuine animal vocalizations.
So, near as I can tell, all the focus on bits and hertz and volume is way overblown. All this shit works. There isn't a single machine on the market that is not capable of calling animals. I think some would have us believe that their units will consistantly call multiples and kill them for us, too!
Good hunting. LB
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Leonard
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posted October 16, 2009 09:50 PM
This just in!
FOXPRO announces their new machine that not only is guaranteed to call every coyote in the county, but it kills them for you, too!
This development is likely to blow the competition away.
And, for only $2995, it's the perfect stocking stuffer for all you newbies out there.
I'm ladder testing one of these babies this weekend! Yahoo!
edit: oops, correction. The basic model is $2995, the deluxe lethal feature is optional and also $2995.
His name is Vic and he's 5 miles west of Tim.
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Kokopelli
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posted October 17, 2009 08:06 AM
Ok........ Enough of this old technology. What I want is a radio controled model plane with live guns that can circle my calling stand at altitude and stream real time video back to me on a heads up helmet display. When a coyote comes in, I could bring the plane down for a strafing run. Now THAT would be cool!!!!!
Laugh all you want; as purchased technology replaces woodsmanship more & more............the day will come.
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Leonard
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posted October 17, 2009 10:53 AM
Yeah, sure. But, like yesterday, I saw a yellow biplane leave Cable airport and head north to the San Gabriels. Do you think that guy in the open cockpit was jealous of all those fancy Cessna's, or was there just a touch of envy from those that watched the takeoff? Or I could use the compound, recurve, long bow illustration. Some people don't give a shit about "progress".
Good hunting. LB
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Kelly Jackson
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posted October 17, 2009 06:35 PM
I kinda like both old and new stuff.
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Cdog911
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posted October 17, 2009 07:42 PM
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was there just a touch of envy from those that watched the takeoff?
At the beginning of this summer, we had a very special event here in Abilene where we saw ten years and over 12,000 hours of volunteer effort from regular people all over the state of Kansas come to fruition with the inaugural run of the 90-year old Santa Fe Steam Locomotive No. 3415, one of only two 3000-series steam locomotives still running in the world, and the other one is broken down for rebuilding and won't be usable for a couple more years. This engine has been pulling an excursion train here in town on holiday weekends all summer and you have to see one of these up close to really understand Leonard's point above. Trains or planes, the tingly sensation you feel when you see "old school" in all its glory is truly a memorable experience.
This particular train sat in our city park being vandalized for nearly 45 years after it was decommissioned. Most of the working parts of the train had to be rebuilt or refabricated, but by God, it runs and it is truly an impressive sight to see. I posted this on Midwest's board when it first launched, so for you guys that saw it there, sorry. For you guys that didn't, watch this....
Watching and listening to this thing build steam and ramping up was both stirring and impressive. They get the steam and temps up to a certain point and then release the steam valves out both sides by the drive cylinders. It's deafening from within 300 feet of it. Carried you back in time, and made me wonder how this looked back then, crossing the Kansas prairie beyond the fields of alfalfa, corn and wheat...
The reason that Leonard's comment reminded me of the train is that on the first afternoon, this train passed by less than a half-mile away from a series of four modern Santa Fe engines pulling hopper cars and I'm willing to bet that all eyes on those diesel locomotives were looking south at what got them where they are today.
A couple weeks later, this plane did a fly over, one of the few of its kind left, a "Gooney Bird" from which paratroopers often jumped during WWII, and which played a pivotal role on D-Day. I really enjoy watching these lumbering old prop planes. Too cool. Leonard probably remembers jumping out of one of these back in "the day". ![[Wink]](wink.gif)
Again, new may be more efficient, but old school still has its merits and usually a buttload more character.
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TOM64
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posted October 17, 2009 07:50 PM
Anybody want to use a model T for a daily driver?
Have yet to see an old timer want to go back to plowing with a team...
But I do shoot a recurve when I've got a perfectly good compound hanging around. ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
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Cdog911
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posted October 17, 2009 08:02 PM
Maybe so, Tom, but when the Russians or the Chinese kill off our electrical grid, we'll have something the rest of you won't, a friggin' TRAIN!!! LOL At the same time, even if they maybe don't want to use it every day at work, I've been down to the Depot for the Smoky Valley Railroad every weekend it's been running this summer and railroaders from all over the country are coming to Abilene to just get a chance to stand in the engineer's cab while she's running. Talking with an old guy here in the county who used to engineer a loc just like this one, he told me they'd go upwards of 110 mph pulling a full load, and much faster, but no one had ever had the guts to top one out and survived the trip. At just beyond a hundred MPH or so, the harmonics between the train's drive wheels and the rails start to resonate and he said that the tracks will literally peel up behind the train. Not a good thing when driving a bus with no brakes. It may be old, but its engineering is amazing for the day.
And if someone were to offer me a Model T, I'd take it in a heartbeat.
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TOM64
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posted October 18, 2009 03:14 AM
Oh I know Lance, I realy enjoy looking and working on that old crap. But as with callers, I'm a creature of comfort and convenience.
I got a feeling when the chinese shut our grids down we'll all get a train ride and it maybe your train they use.
Hey just for fun, google fema concentration camps, they're gonna need a train too.
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Tim Behle
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posted October 18, 2009 07:49 AM
So what's wrong with driving a Model T? I'm leaving for Tombstone in a few minutes to drive mine!
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