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Seldom Ever
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posted May 12, 2003 05:43 PM
Yeah,sounds too pretty to take out,but it might entice the coyote with the discerning eye for art,you never know ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
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Rich Higgins
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posted May 12, 2003 05:59 PM
Jay, I'm with RG on this . When you get rid of your stash of latex gloves maybe your posture will improve.
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UTcaller
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posted May 12, 2003 07:06 PM
I have to agree with the rest of you guys.The Higgins Howler stands alone as "Top Howler".On the outside it is a work of art,the sounds you produce are great and have been a coyotes worse nightmare around here.Most realistic sounding howler out there.The first time I took mine out was last fall and in two days of calling with it I called up 13 coyotes.And it has been a consistant producer ever since.GOOD HUNTING CO
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Jay Nistetter
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posted May 12, 2003 08:18 PM
I fit a new rubber glove on mine before heading out and when I blew it all I got was a big ol balloon with udder thingies poking out. After blowing, it just made a backwards blrpppppp sound. Off in the distance I could hear coyotes doing a group laugh.
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Seldom Ever
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posted May 13, 2003 12:52 AM
I mean no offense to Rich,I'm sure his howlers are really nice looking,and I know they work well because I've got one quite similiar.I'd get a Higgins howler if he was still makin'em and I could afford it!
Jay,that's the funniest damn thing I've read in a long time,thanks for the chuckle.I'm dyin' ovah heah!
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jerry
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posted May 13, 2003 07:51 PM
Hey Rich , are you really gonna quit building howlers? we talked a while back and you said you would send me one? just wondering , Jerry .
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heck yeah Ill take my wife callin, when she learns how to skin a coyote.
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Purple220
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posted May 14, 2003 06:10 AM
All this talk of howlers, shoot I need a Higgins.
Any way of making just one more Rich. I have a Red Desert but don't like it.
Bob
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Rich Higgins
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posted May 14, 2003 06:53 AM
Jerry, I have seven howlers I have committed to, one of them is yours. Purple, I normally charge $250 for a howler, I've been making them for Huntmasters members for $150. If I devoted the time it takes to make one of these howlers to my business I would make more money. I've learned probably as much as I can about this howler and along with the fact that deadline pressures have taken the fun out of it, I decided not to do it anymore. There are a number of photos posted on Huntmasters and Predatormasters over the past year, do a search on Higgins Howlers and you will see how they have evolved in that time and why they take some time to make. Buy a Power Howler for 20 bucks and a box of Evolution One gloves and you will be set.
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Rich Higgins
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posted May 14, 2003 06:58 AM
One more tip, courtesy of Robb Krause. Place a small rubber band, such as used for braces, on the band at the tip of the mouthpiece and it will seal enough to prevent air getting underneath and making those annoying raspy pitch jumps. It really works.
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Krustyklimber
prefers the bunny hugger pronunciation: ky o tee
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posted May 14, 2003 11:57 AM
Rich,
I can understand how the fun of a hobby can get sucked right out by the pressures of making it a business, and how that hobby business can then cut into your real business...
I am truley sorry to here that you've had enough, you set the standard to shoot for in function and form.
SE,
I would gladly throw a pile of MY calls in the fire to keep Mr. H. warm... or let someone beat me to death with a Higgins Howler (just on the off chance it'd beat some sense into me  )... you have no idea how nice these things are, or how much you and I have missed out by not having one.
(part of me wants to say "you owe him an apology" but I am not gonna make that call for you!). ![[Wink]](wink.gif)
For a dude worried about his "spirit guide" and stuff you sure aren't building up much good coyote karma dissin' dudes like you do... LOL
"Slow down Turbo!?!" 
That is a little piece of advice I was given once... I think I found the guy to pass it onto.
(search the archives, you'll find I have a bit of experience pouring it on strong... wait maybe most of the really stupid stuff got lost with the old huntmasters... but believe me, it got me nowhere even faster).
This is not personal SE, just a piece of advice for you, from a friend... which makes me think of another piece of advice I was given (actually the only worthwhile thing CoyoteBuster ever said to me... I will paraphrase it to remove his hostility)...
"You need to read more, post less, and actually go hunting some, before you start tellin' these guys how it is"
Too bad for young CB  he couldn't practice what he preached, and lucky for me "I got it".
Best of luck with your uncultured country coyotes!!! ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
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Seldom Ever
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posted May 14, 2003 12:15 PM
Krusty,I've spent a lot more time in the woods in the last 28 years than you can even begin to dream of .I've stated several times I don't know anything about calling predators,but that doesn't include hunting in general.I haven't dissed anybody here,but that's the problem with text, it can come out looking that way .You could hunt for the rest of your natural life, and you "might" catch up with the amount of time I've spent pursuing game of various sorts, but I doubt it.
I don't need to slow down my posting at all,as far as I'm concerned,I should be posting more and asking more .Leonard said this board was 1 part humorous sarcasm,so I'm just adding to the pile that's already here .If you want to be a wallflower,that's your buisness,speaking of which, you'd be better off minding your own anyway . My style is different from yours,so what ??
I stated already that I meant no offense to Rich Higgins, I'm just having a good time like everyone else. Nor do I mean any offense to you, but If I need you to educate me about how to learn anything,I'll ask you.If you've got a problem of some sort with me that we should work out,e-mail me,you have my address,and it's public anyway. Otherwise,good huntin to ya!
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Krustyklimber
prefers the bunny hugger pronunciation: ky o tee
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posted May 14, 2003 02:53 PM
Dude???
I said none of this was personal... true I may be able to hunt a long time before I know as much as you about hunting, and may never get to that point!?!
So freakin' what???
YOU WILL NEVER CLIMB EL CAPITAN!!!
And if you started trying now you'd never ever amount to the climber I am... what the heck does that have to do with online interaction, or coyote hunting in general?
I never said I could teach you a thing...
But for your information with close to 40 years hiking, climbing, foraging and surviving, in the woods I know a whole lot more than you think I do!!!
I am not a wallflower by any stretch of the imagination, more like the old bull... quiet and content, 'til I see red! Then you get the horns!
I am gonna let this go... hopefully you can let this go too.
As I told you by e-mail, I have extended myself to you most courteously, but I am now at the end of my rope...
I am not about to waste any more of my time answering to you by e-mail.
I hope this does not deteriorate.
Now I now what an ass I looked like when I first got here...
My apologies to Wiley E, Slydog, DAA and others I offended back then.
I doubt if you asked me to teach you anything today I'd bother to help... but there is always tomorrow.
I am sorry we have gotten off track, best of luck to you.
Jeff
*Edited to remove insults by Krusty
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Cdog911
"There are some ideas so absurd only an intellectual could believe them."--George Orwell.
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posted May 14, 2003 03:07 PM
Now, now, boys. I don't see anything positive or constructive from allowing this dialogue to proceed along the course it's taken. This thread was well along in providing a lot of very good information about how to make a very effective call even better. Even Rich himself will readily admit that the mouthpiece from the ELK Power Howler is the heart of his howler, but the design and aesthetics of this custom call give it its soul. I encourage you to finish your discussion outside this thread, preferably in private until you can shake hands, both come to realize that you ultimately share the same love for huntin g, bu that ou approach this issue from your own vastly different life experience. Now, in the words of my loving daddy, shake hands and apologize before I put a boot up both yer asses.
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Seldom Ever
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posted May 14, 2003 03:14 PM
I don't care who anybody is,if you feel like you need to kiss there butt in order to post a question here,or in order to state your own opinion,then go for it,I'm not stoppin you .I don't care who Q is or what his accomplishments are,that doesn't make him any better than me,and I sure as hell don't have to kiss his butt on account of it,or in order to express my opinion here or anywhere else..If you feel like giving his derriere' a public slobber,go for it buddy!
Hunting experience was brought into the equation by you,when you "advised" me to sit back and listen.
Damn right you're a better rock climber than me,I'm not fool enough to try it and take it up as a sport.
If you'll check around on this site,you'll see where I tried doing a search a week or more ago for a Higgins howler.When I couldn't get the info or a pic,I posted a question about it. I never got a real answer to my question.I'm sure they are a work of art,but I'll bet they don't sound any better than a slydog howler.If they do sound better, so friggin what ?What if my gun is more expensive than yours and shoots better,so big deal ? But mine was hand made by blah-blah-blah-blah,so am I supposed to fall down on my knees and worship the gunmaker now ? I think not. I have an appreciation for art,maybe it's not as high as yours,but so what ? What the hell is it to you,are you Rich's granny,looking out for him,or what ? I posted sincerely I meant no offense,next time mind your own buisness.Don't call me your friend and then post as you have.
I just don't need your advice,and I told you so in as respectful a manner as I could.This is nothing but a carryover from our prior e-mails, which you've already mentioned. Check back to your first reply to me regarding my inquiry about your calls, your reply indicated you had a stockpile of them.You also told me you were out of a job,and then you started complaining in chat and on the board about how slow your PC was.So I figured,wrongly apparently,that we could help each other out. I don't have the bighead about anything,what I do have is an extra PC sitting around,which I got for building a new one for somebody.If you feel like I owe you money,I'll send you a check for it right now,certified mail.You can keep the damn call, I sure as hell don't want it.Maybe you can exercise those butt kissing lips on it.
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Krustyklimber
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posted May 14, 2003 03:21 PM
Point well taken, Cdog.
But you seem to have missed the last sentence of my last post...
I am sorry we have gotten off track, best of luck to you.
As you can now see I have already made my apologies to Seldom Ever...
My apologies to Wiley E, Slydog, DAA and others I offended back then.
...and others as well.
Did your ol' Dad have a policy for if you'd already made your apologies?
Jeff
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Seldom Ever
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posted May 14, 2003 03:57 PM
The check is in the mail,look for it at a mailbox near you.I didn't include shipping, as I don't want it.Nuff said.
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Cdog911
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posted May 14, 2003 06:03 PM
I'd suggest that both of you go back to the original post on this thread and read it from start to now from the vantage point of other members like myself.
Hopefully, at some point, common sense will prevail and you'll ask yourself where things went south. Then, once you've done that, ask yourself what the rest of us are to think. Here we have one of the most cerebral and thought provoking predator calling boards on the web - open door and all. Now, two well-intending grown men walk through that door and are welcomed. Once in, they find themselves in the company of some of the best in the industry. People whose names are recognized across the country - names which others gladly drop in conversations as being their personal friends. And in many cases, that's okay because they are.
Now, these two guys both show up admitting that they have no practical experience calling coyotes, nor has either of them ever actually called a coyote. Neither of them has had the distinct privelege of being totally humilated by the loathsome and lowly coyote and naively assume that hunting coyotes can't be any more challenging than hunting deer or other game. And neither of them realizes that every veteran caller on this and any other board made that very same mistake, until such time when that stupid old prairie wolf handed him his ass and sent him home humiliated and flustered.
Fast forward to right now. These same two guys are now having a public pissing match in the company of the very people that may freely share their knowledge and the benefit of years, if not centuries, of personal field experience. They've become insulting to highly regarded members while standing amongst a circle of their closest friends and allies. It seems that they've chosen to engage in a battle to prove who is the highest authority on a subject neither knows anything at all about.
Krusty- you've made a good faith effort in your time here to enthusiatically absorb any and all information availiable to learn how to call coyotes.
Seldom - I respect your years of experience in the field as a hunter and sportsmen, but I've seen lots - and by lots, I mean most of 'em - of diehard hunters with decades of experience try to make the leap to calling coyotes, only to find out that it's much more technically demanding than just about any other kind of hunting available. I'm not referring to the guy that stumblebumps onto a coyote his first time out, but fails to produce after that. I'm talking about calling coyotes consistently when other guys are blanking it.
I've been involved in these types of altercations on this board and others. In retrospect, nothing was gained in any of them, and my relationships with the people with whom I was fighting have, in some cases, been irreparably damaged. But at least I have the experience and background in calling to call my stubborn, bullheaded opinion somewhat valid.
Apparantly, the two of you were trying to manage this affair in private, fighting in the street. Somehow, at some time, you chose to wrestle your way back into the clubhouse and now have inadvertantly drawn the names of others into your little spat.
I have absolutely no authority to see you gone from this board, but I would strongly encourage you to find common ground or put it behind you very quickly and move on before you have no choice but to be duking it out away from here. I'm sure Leonard's patience have their limits. I've been there once or twice myself. Apologies have been made. If the other party chooses to ignore those apologies, so be it. That, in itself, speaks volumes. This USED the be a quiet neighborhood!!!
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Jay Nistetter
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posted May 14, 2003 06:28 PM
Does anyone else find it odd that all this posturing started with a latex glove?
NO! You bend over first!
Huh Uh! You bend over! My glove's not cut yet.
Well... I'm more sperienced.
Yeah? Well I'm mo impotant. So THERE!
Geeze Higgins. You knew this would happen.
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Leonard
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posted May 14, 2003 06:54 PM
Thanks for stepping in, Lance. I have been following this discussion, hoping that it would mellow, of it's own accord.
I see indications that it's finished. I'm sure nobody logs on to quarrel, we all have much better ways of spending our time. And, it's even a little painful for the rest of us to watch.
I don't think the solution is to bring up point after point in rebuttal. The best thing is to forget it all happened. That's what I intend to do.
I'm not going in to clean up the unkind remarks because I really hate to edit other people's words as a matter of principle. I do value the input from all of you. Thanks for making the New Huntmasters the success it has been; (such as it is), to this point.
Good hunting. LB
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Don't piss me off!
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jerry
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posted May 14, 2003 08:52 PM
Rich, thank you for the answer to my question , ill be looking forward to hearing from you , no hurry , fur season is a long way off . Thank you much, by the way the .17 is finally shooting !!!!!!1.5 gr over max and shes a tack driver LOL. Thanks again , jerry .
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heck yeah Ill take my wife callin, when she learns how to skin a coyote.
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Rich Higgins
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posted May 14, 2003 08:57 PM
Geeze Jay, I didn't have a clue. Heck with it. Come over Sat morning, we'll call over the dens north of here, get some good video. Bring your Cronk Howler, maybe bring in some ducks and a couple of fire engines.
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jerry
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posted May 14, 2003 08:58 PM
LOL,LOL,LOL.
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heck yeah Ill take my wife callin, when she learns how to skin a coyote.
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Krustyklimber
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posted May 14, 2003 10:25 PM
Cdog,
I understand your point of looking at the original post that started this thread... Rich was nice enough to hook us up with the "better way" to set up a Higgins howler.
It shoulda been left to "thank you, I am ordering some for my E.L.K. mouthpieced howler... Oh hey, I got some of those gloves they sound great"... nothing more.
I said before your point was well taken, now Leonard's was too... I have cleaned up my posts, as much as I can (taken out all the personal stuff I may not have needed to bother posting) and I apologize again, to all, for my earlier rant. I didn't at anytime today intend to insult anyone personally or otherwise.
I will continue to work to be a productive part of this community, in good faith, and I will try to curb my enthusiasm...
Jeff
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varmit hunter
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posted May 15, 2003 03:56 AM
Rich H. I am starting to worry about Jay. I think he is on the verge of a thing with rubber gloves.
Please let us know if he shows up in Latex camo.
Cdog, Blessed are the peacemakers.
Krusty, You and SE seem like good folks. Why not keep it that way. Yall need to come to Texas and whack some of these mange calf eaters. The only thing we have to climb around here is over passes.
Now let's get this long hot summer over with. So we can start another season.
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Rich
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posted May 15, 2003 04:47 AM
Jay Nistetter,
Did you ever think of trying an owl hooter like those made for turkey hunters?
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If you call the coyotes in close, you won't NEED a high dollar range finder.
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