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Topic: time to check our zero
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Leonard
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posted July 23, 2005 09:37 PM
As an old die hard coyote hunter, I started out with decent advice; sight in an inch high at 100 yards. Never saw a reason to change.
Yeah, deer hunting out west is different, you need to know your midrange trajectory, but for predator hunting, every rifle I ever used has been dialed in for an inch high at a hundred.
So, what do you do?
Good hunting. LB
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Lonny
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posted July 23, 2005 09:58 PM
Went to the range this morning...
1" high at one hundred yards.
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TheHuntedOne
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posted July 23, 2005 10:03 PM
Well sir, I sight in for dead on at 100 yards. If I ever get the chance to shoot farther than that here in New Hampshire, they are going to take away my guns because I will shooting on the highway ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
My .243 is dead on at 100 and close enough at 50 to get the job done.
I pattern the shotgun at 40 but most shots are a lot closer than that.
Don't know what I would do if I ever landed someplace that I would be able to take a 200 to 300 yard shot.
Miss I suppose
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Dogleg
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posted July 23, 2005 10:14 PM
I've settled on a 200 yard zero with a 22/250, based on the first shot out of a cold dirty barrel. Every time I try to stretch that out, over shooting results. There are so many chances with just ears and eyeballs to shoot at, pinching down the trajectory really helps for me. The Leupold B&C reticle that I stared using this spring is showing promise, and works without giving up my favored 200 zero.
Mike
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Melvin
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posted July 23, 2005 10:43 PM
I've been doing the same!one inch high at hundred yards.
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Jack Roberts
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posted July 23, 2005 11:15 PM
All my short range rifles I sight in centered at 200 yards.
Makes the zeros easy to remember.
Jack
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Tim Behle
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posted July 24, 2005 06:45 AM
Every rifle I own is sighted dead on at 100 yards. I never could see the point of sighting it in an inch high. If I want the bullet to hit an inch high, I just aim and inch high.
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brad h
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posted July 24, 2005 10:03 AM
Dead on at 100.
I've played with the idea of upping it for longer ranges, but I've shot over the top too many times on high angle shots even without a higher zero.
Brad
[ July 24, 2005, 10:04 AM: Message edited by: brad h ]
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Doggitter
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posted July 24, 2005 10:18 AM
When I got the .17 Rem I put it at a 2" point blank. The highest it'll reach is 2" but I don't remember what the 100 is. Need to get some shooting done with it and relearn since I basically bought it and just went hunting last winter. Need to tape a print out on the stock till I have it burned in my brain. Loren
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Cal Taylor
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posted July 24, 2005 01:33 PM
I have been shooting the Burris ballistic plex for several years now. Every since it came out. So my main crosshair is dead nuts at 100yds and I have a hash mark for every hundred out to 700. It takes some playing with the power ring and loads to get everything to work, but once you do you are pretty well on at every range. With my .243 that is. I have had a tougher time getting the whole deal to work on my AR in .223. Since it is slower I have to sight the main crosshair a touch low at 100 to get the 2 and 3 hundred yard hash marks to hit at the correct range. And a rangefinder is a must.
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2dogs
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posted July 25, 2005 06:14 AM
1" high @ 100yrds. Past 200yrds, it's mortar rd time. I prefer movers, more of a challenge.
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DAA
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posted July 25, 2005 07:53 AM
All of my calling rifles are zeroed for PBR on a 4" target. Puts them all pretty close to 1.5" high at 100, dead on at anywhere from about 225 to 300.
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UTcaller
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posted August 03, 2005 11:40 AM
I have always sighted my Predator calling rifles in 1" high at 100 yards.I to use the Ballistic plex(Burris).Sight it in as the Magnum cart.
1 inch high 100 yrds
zero at 200 yards (cross hair)
first mark is very close to 300 yards
second mark is close to 400 yards
Then it opens up alittle,but most of my shots are between 0-300 yards so the 1 inch high at 100 yards has always worked well for me.GOOD HUNTING C.O
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Rich
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posted August 03, 2005 02:50 PM
I zero for about 1.5" high at 100.
Hey Cal Taylor, what the heck is a bareass burleskic flesh?
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Melvin
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posted August 03, 2005 03:09 PM
LOL LOL LOL, OH BOY!! Whew!
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Cal Taylor
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posted August 03, 2005 05:58 PM
Rich, The meds must be working well! LOL!
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Rich
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posted August 03, 2005 07:09 PM
Cal,
Murphy Love tells me that you can hit a coyote part of the time if it is close enough and stands real still. I know Murphy wouldn't lie, so I guess that bareass burleksic thingy must be alright.
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If you call the coyotes in close, you won't NEED a high dollar range finder.
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Kokopelli
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posted August 03, 2005 08:43 PM
Gee....all I have on my rifle is a scope (zero @ 100). Can I still be a pampass know it all without one of those bareass burleksic thingys?? My self-esteem is at stake here.
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Kokopelli
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posted August 04, 2005 01:33 AM
Ok....we're zeroing in at between 100 & 200 yards. I kill most of my rifle coyotes at between 75 & 125 yards, so the 100 yard zero works well for me. What I'm wondering is, How far are you guy's average shots and do you zero for that distance or sight in to cover the widest window of opportunity??
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Rich
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posted August 04, 2005 05:19 AM
Kokopelli,
I try to zero for maximum point blank range, even though most of my coyotes are killed at less than 100 yards. With my .257 Ackley I can hold dead on a coyotes chest out to 275 yards or so. I do fairly well out to 200 yards if the coyote is standing real still and I have my back up against something solid like a tree or a rock. Any coyote much past two hundred yards becomes pretty iffy with me.
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Barndog
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posted August 04, 2005 05:33 PM
Cal
I use the same scope, true the .223 is a problem to zero out at each cross hair under the main hairs out to each hundred yards. I do believe the scope was set up using .243 rounds. You say a range finder is a must, I would asume this to be true for proper bullet placement using the correct cross hair at that yardage. However, if your quessing the yardage as I do I still find the ballistic plex scope very useful, even zeroed at 100 yards. As long as I can hit withing a small paper plate range out to 400 yards by guessing I consider that a dead coyote. One of these days I'll spring for a range finder then I'll adjust my scope.
[ August 04, 2005, 05:37 PM: Message edited by: Barndog ]
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Doggitter
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posted August 04, 2005 07:09 PM
Max point blank. If you zero at a close range that makes you guess at a farther distance then you've just lost some free advantage. You make a bad shot and the Coyote runs. He happens to stop at 314 yards and you aren't fussing around so he's temporarily lost your position. That zero you set for up close may ruin your chance for a positive followup. A max point blank will fill all posibilities starting at the muzzle, out to your point blank.
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Jack Roberts
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posted August 04, 2005 09:48 PM
The maximum point blank range thing only works when you are making perfect shots on a specific sized critter. If you can't always make perfect shots, or shoot at different sized critters, you need to put your group to the center of target. That means always adjusting for range, even at 50 or 200 yards.
Adjusting for range is sure a lot easier than wind doping.
Jack
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Az-Hunter
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posted August 04, 2005 10:09 PM
Please, no left hooks at my chin for voicing my opinon, but I just can't get on board with the MPBR. I know lots of guys swear by it, but, it's badly flawed to my mind, so feel free to jump in and correct me if Im all screwed up in my understanding of the concept.
You have a rifle, sighted to theoretically place its bullet somewhere in a four inch circle, from the muzzle, to somewhere out there, be it 300 or 400 yards.If you add the shooters error factor for holding at any given range, for instance an average shooter, off hand is probably able to hold 3-5 MOA, sitting and steadied on knees, maybe 2-3 MOA? Now of course Im talking average shooter, Im sure some of you guys are a cut above that, but lets just talk averages for arguement sake.
A shot is made at a 200 yard coyote, the shooter was in the sitting position, and his rifle is now a 4-6 minute rifle at that range. Now, add the MPBR factor; if the bullet is flying to the outer two o'clock point on that imaginary 4 inch MPBR circle, and with the shooters 4 minute error thrown in,the bullet could fly 6-8 inches from the outside of that 4 inch circle, which on an Arizona coyote, is damned sure a miss.
Now, before anyone goes off on me, and says anyone should be able to hold better than 3-5 minutes offhand at 100 yards, let me suggest this. Go to your range, make a short ten yard sprint to the 100 yard line, and standing on your hind legs, give me three aimed shots at an 8 inch paper plate, fairly rapidly as if taking a hunting shot, then come back and tell me what a dink I am:)
No doubt some of you can shoot an acceptable group, but it takes a rifleman to do it,and remember, Im not talking deliberate slow fire, with eclectic holds and positions,but fairly rapid,best you can hold.
Im all ears now, convince me of MPBR merit, maybe Im misunderstood about the theory?
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Leonard
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posted August 04, 2005 10:19 PM
Well, I'll tell ya. I was going to say something along the same lines, about mid point trajectory and maximum point blank range....but decided not to. (could happen, ya know)
As far as dialing in my elevation, Jack has a lot more time to line up on a coyote than I do! I need to instinctively know where to hold, and that's one reason why I like a flat shooting cartridge because it takes a little guess work out of it.
Good hunting. LB
Good hunting. LB
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