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3 Toes
El Guapo
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posted May 19, 2012 10:50 AM
22 x 47 Lapua
This one shoots good enough. 3 shot groups are good enough for me.
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the bearhunter
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posted May 19, 2012 03:13 PM
yeah,but 3toes, can you do it ALL DAY LONG??????lol.
nice group.
i can live with a 3/4" @100 rifle but strive for better. however, some days i just seem to shoot better than others??.
used to go nuts on trying to get all rifles to print 3/8" but realized i was spending to much $ and time and un-nessasarily burning up my barrels. 0nce i hit 3/4", i'm confidant that "most" coyotes under 300 are dead.
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Leonard
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posted May 19, 2012 03:16 PM
What's that load, Cal? What MV?
Good hunting. El Bee
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3 Toes
El Guapo
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posted May 19, 2012 03:22 PM
Leonard, that is a 62 grain Berger at 3820 fps. It takes a CCI sr mag primer and 38.0 grains of Norma 203B to get it there.
That rifle is on a Lawton action and McGowan barrel. 1 in 10 twist. On another note, I think they are out of business anyway, but never buy a Lawton action. The scope mount holes were crooked enough that when I mounted a pic rail for the scope mounts there isn't enough windage adjustment in any scope to work. Tried several rails first and the ended up putting a Leupold adjustable mount to get the scope centered. And it's an ill feeding piece of shit, but it does shoot.
[ May 19, 2012, 03:30 PM: Message edited by: 3 Toes ]
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TA17Rem
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posted May 19, 2012 03:26 PM
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If you have a ¾" barrel, switching primers won't make it a one holer.
True. But a different brand or type could round out your groups more, make more consistant and can also do a better job of getting the powder burning so most of its gone before it reaches the end of the barrel, especialy with some of the med- med slow powders...
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Leonard
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posted May 19, 2012 03:57 PM
That's interesting, Cal.
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Leonard, that is a 62 grain Berger at 3820 fps. It takes a CCI sr mag primer and 38.0 grains of Norma 203B to get it there.
I'm shooting the same bullet in my 22-243Middlested. But it's 47.7 grains of H4831 Fed 210M @ very close to the same velocity, around 3810fps.
Good hunting. LB
PS Tim, I do not refine my load and then switch primers at the last minute. If I want a Rem9½, I start with a Rem9½ and see where it goes.
edit: I think the best 3shot group I have seen was about .140". I have not really done much serious bench work with this rig, but like bearhunter said, it's good enough.
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Rich
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posted May 19, 2012 04:14 PM
well Leonard,
How's this for a 400.00 rifle?
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Rich
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posted May 19, 2012 04:24 PM
Here is a closeup of that 400.00 rifle. Built on an old Mexican Mauser action.
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the bearhunter
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posted May 19, 2012 04:24 PM
Rich. you save fur??. if so, i think the 85 tsx would be a good fur round in a .257 cal.
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Rich
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posted May 19, 2012 04:33 PM
Bearhunter,
Are you really from Minnifornia? Nah, you are MUCH to wise for that to be true. Regarding fur, I USED to keep every single one, but not so much anymore. I still search for good bullets that kill without skinning and gutting in the process though. I might just try your Barnes TSX some time soon. If it will shoot tiny groups, it will indeed be a good one.
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the bearhunter
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posted May 19, 2012 05:02 PM
yeah Rich,fraid so ![[Frown]](frown.gif)
same state as the great Al Franken and T.A.
I've tried the tsx's in various rifles and have never acieved great accuarcy but have shot some coyotes with them and they perform great. usually exits but small.
for some reason, the 25's seem to shoot the tsx's quite well from those i know that shoot them.
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TOM64
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posted May 19, 2012 06:26 PM
I should stick with 3 shot groups but just can't...
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3 Toes
El Guapo
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posted May 19, 2012 06:36 PM
Tom, in a lot of situations more than a 3 shotter is required. I shot a tactical shoot here last year and knew the gun for that had to stay good for a long time, many rounds and much heat so I pounded it hard. 10 and 20 shot groups with a hot barrel. But for my coyote rifles, I treat them like a sore thumb and baby the crap out of them. I am really only interested in the first or second shot from a cold barrel.
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TOM64
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posted May 19, 2012 06:57 PM
I even shoot 5 shot groups with my mountain rifle contoured barrels, I just gotta shoot 5 and keep them all under MOA, usually 1/2 to 3/4 MOA to be happy.
Of course, not counting machine guns all but one of my bolt guns wear factory tubes. The 25-06AI has a 3 groove PacNor but I've yet to shoot it.
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TA17Rem
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posted May 19, 2012 07:12 PM
Since Cal showed us his dime I thought I would show mine as well.. ![[Wink]](wink.gif)
These kind of groups is what I exspect from a custom job along with a good load and then tested a few more times to be sure.. I even went so far as to shoot a 10 shot group with the rest being 5 shot groups...
http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f208/TA17Rem/002-10.jpg[/IMG]] 
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JD
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posted May 19, 2012 07:49 PM
3 shots .413 .17 Rem AR factory ammo Tell me again why I need to develop a load.
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jimanaz
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posted May 19, 2012 07:52 PM
See what you started, Cal?
I said something about a group I shot last summer. I was putting the finishing touches on my 22-250AI and was shooting 200 yards. Usually when I get a good one going I manage to screw it up, but didn't crumble under the pressure this time. Packed up my shit and went home without firing another shot and have no desire to shoot anymore paper with that rifle.
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3 Toes
El Guapo
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posted May 19, 2012 09:02 PM
Well, good shootin one and all!
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Kokopelli
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posted May 20, 2012 08:17 AM
Question;
How much (if any) would you guys expect those groups to open up out in the real world of shooting sticks, elbows to knees, or off of truck hoods and still be happy????
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Rich
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posted May 20, 2012 08:22 AM
KOKO,
The groups that I have posted were shot while draped over hood of my truck. Does this info help?
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Bofire
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posted May 20, 2012 09:25 AM
I have shot a few good groups, won a few contests, rarely miss a coyote, but I do not know if that is because I am careful to make a shot and would rather let an animal go then take a risky shot.
That said; I HATE SHOOTING PAPER TARGETS and hate reloading. I would never try to shoot a coyote or anything else at 400 yards "between the eyes". I'll take the chest/shouldders.
Carl
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DAA
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posted May 20, 2012 09:30 AM
Is precise equipment of no benefit in field use? Is there no disadvantage to equipment lacking precision in field use?
Is it useful to remove as much potential for error as possible from every possible source for field use? Is allowing equipment error where it need not exist of any concern for field use?
I don't think everyone can answer these questions exactly the same for all conditions. I know in which direction my answers are going to consistently be though.
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TA17Rem
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posted May 20, 2012 10:47 AM
Koko the only time I shoot groups is for load work up and to find the best load combo, along with a little testing at longer ranges to see what the load is going to do..
Once thats done then all I worry about is the first shot and putting it where it needs to go..
Usually when hunting or calling I use some type of shooting aid weither it be shooting sticks or bi-pods and will at times have both along. I also rely on a position that puts me flat on the ground or sitting on the ground so I can also use my knees for support..
Any shooting done with out stick or bipods will also be done in the sitting or kneeling on one knee position. some areas I hunt I can't use the ground for support so I will take a standing shot but will use the sling for added support or rest the rifle up along side a fence post or power pole...( barricade position)
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Leonard
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posted May 20, 2012 11:14 AM
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I would never try to shoot a coyote or anything else at 400 yards "between the eyes". I'll take the chest/shouldders.
Carl
Well, Carl. That's what makes the world go 'round. Everybody, like Clint said; "needs to know his limitations." Besides, many times shooting eyes, I am more than happy if my shot drops down into the chest as that allows a little leeway in range calculations.
I know some guys that won't attempt a running shot, and they will never figure it out, if failure is a huge obstacle, too big to risk it.
Good hunting. LB
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Rich
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posted May 20, 2012 12:33 PM
I learned long ago that most folks don't realize that when we shoot a "group", we are trying to learn what that particular load is capable of, NOT what we as a hunter can do in the field. I have shown tight groups to a few people and often get "it's shooting a bit to the left ain't it?" I just smile and shake my head. ![[Mad]](mad.gif)
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