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Author Topic: How many going to Nationals? Leonard HMFIC Member # 2 posted October 30, 2005 11:29 PM                       Yeah, you are wrong about that Danny. No dropping off and picking up, while you make solitary stands. Of course, I think it's a stupid rule. If a team feels they can handle 90% of the animals alone, why not let them split up? Now, the way around this is to have each guy walk to separate sides of the road and make their own stands, gray area be damned. It's still a judgement call because you are never in the best position for every animal. Sometimes it's great to have your partner pick off one you didn't see. Good hunting. LB -------------------- EL BEE Knows It All and Done It All. Don't piss me off! Posts: 31509 | From: Upland, CA | Registered: Jan 2003  |  IP: Logged nd coyote killer HUNTMASTER PRO STAFF Member # 40 posted October 31, 2005 07:19 AM                   WOW i was away from the computer for the weekend and missed all the responses. And yes the unknown teams can get by a little cheaper up until the year they place well unless your unlucky like myself and have some SOB that has killed more coyotes than mange bidding your team up because he has talked to you on a website LOLOLOLOL Even if you guys can't make it up for the hunt you should try to make it saturday night for the beer drinking part! Last year we sat up with Les Johnson, I think it was "songdog" and the Schmid brothers and a few other guys that i can't recall the names of and BSed about calling until they kicked us out of the bar! -------------------- "Sure are cocky for a starving pilgrim" - Bear Claw Posts: 385 | From: On a hill | Registered: Jan 2003  |  IP: Logged Cal Taylor Knows what it's all about Member # 199 posted October 31, 2005 08:10 AM                    We kind of run on the same theory as you Leonard, and will split a ridge if it looks promising. But if we know there are multiple coyotes possible at one stand we set one guy in front and downwind with the AR and a shotgun, and the caller with a long range boomer above and behind. When multiples arrive it can get pretty fun. The most we have killed on one stand at a contest is 3, but we've done that a few times over the years. The most we've ever had show together was 5. -------------------- Democracy is two wolves and a lamb deciding what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote. FoxPro Field Staff Member Posts: 1069 | From: Wyoming | Registered: May 2003  |  IP: Logged onecoyote Knows what it's all about Member # 129 posted October 31, 2005 08:58 AM                   Thanks Leonard and Cal, I never read the rules to that hunt, strange rule to say the least. How do they inforce such a rule? -------------------- Great minds discuss ideas.....Average minds discuss events.....Small minds discuss people.....Eleanor Roosevelt. Posts: 893 | From: Walker Lake Nevada. | Registered: Feb 2003  |  IP: Logged Cal Taylor Knows what it's all about Member # 199 posted October 31, 2005 09:36 AM                    Good question Danny, There really isn't any enforcement, unless someone just happens to see you without your partner. I know that has happened and people have gotten DQ'd. But I'm sure someone has gotten away with it also. To me personally, if I had to cheat to win, it would be a pretty hollow victory, and I wouldn't want to chance getting caught. -------------------- Democracy is two wolves and a lamb deciding what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote. FoxPro Field Staff Member Posts: 1069 | From: Wyoming | Registered: May 2003  |  IP: Logged Leonard HMFIC Member # 2 posted October 31, 2005 11:08 AM                       Cal, I agree about it being a hollow victory, but there is a little more to it, if they dream up too many UNENFORCEABLE RULES. That is what got Scott in trouble, knowing other guys were doing it. Also, things like double teaming, I think it can still be done, temperature wise. Does the one on the bottom of the pile get heat from the exhaust, or does the top animal lose body heat from direct sunshine? Hard to say with certainty, and I assure you; where there is money involved, some people are less interested in hollow victories than hard cash? Good hunting. LB [ October 31, 2005, 11:09 AM: Message edited by: Leonard ] -------------------- EL BEE Knows It All and Done It All. Don't piss me off! Posts: 31509 | From: Upland, CA | Registered: Jan 2003  |  IP: Logged Andy L HI, I'M THE NEW MODERATOR OF THE CENTRAL MISSOURI FORUM, PULL MY FINGER! Member # 642 posted October 31, 2005 12:48 PM                   Do they not polygraph or voice stress??? I have never contest hunted, but have fished enough bass tournaments to know that I wouldnt be any good at cheating..... Besides the hollow victory, the shit you get for getting caught. Your pretty well done in the world of fishing anyway. Ive seen people treated like they had the plague after being caught cheating. Its a fairly small knit group anyway, and most people know each other within a region that do it alot. And, if you ever win a larger tournament, big cash or boat and vehicle, or something along those lines, you get tested. Ive been lucky enough to take a few tests and they dont ask if you cheated this time. They ask if you have ever cheated.... Pretty big question. Andy -------------------- Andy Posts: 2645 | From: Central Missouri | Registered: Apr 2005  |  IP: Logged Leonard HMFIC Member # 2 posted October 31, 2005 02:12 PM                       I know what you are saying, Andy. And, I wouldn't want anyone to get the wrong idea; I'm not defending cheating. What I am refering to is illogical and unenforcable rules of the hunt. I doubt that Scott was the first and only person to get caught splitting up his team, but I spent a fair amount of time visiting with him in St Francis and he didn't seem to be the pariah of the group, since I think he was mostly trying to make a statement. In other words, since I don't really agree with the rule, or understand it's purpose, what happened to him was more or less a rule infraction like being late, and disqualified, rather than cheating, per se. Also, Bass tournaments are one thing with their own problems and flagrant violations, inventive as they may be. But, come on. What the hell kind of question is: "have you ever cheated?" What if you shot an animal that crossed the road, and wasn't actually "called"? Many people do this, few would turn down the opportunity. To me, it's a technicality....and uninforceable. So, you answer; "Yes, five years ago, me and my partner split up the team and hunted separately, like a number of others, but somebody saw my truck with only one occupant." Or, we once shot a coyote mousing in a pasture, but we didn't place on the hunt. What does that have to do with the current event. I can't see how that is a fair question? Good hunting. LB -------------------- EL BEE Knows It All and Done It All. Don't piss me off! Posts: 31509 | From: Upland, CA | Registered: Jan 2003  |  IP: Logged Andy L HI, I'M THE NEW MODERATOR OF THE CENTRAL MISSOURI FORUM, PULL MY FINGER! Member # 642 posted October 31, 2005 02:44 PM                   I dont know the hunt contest rules, Leonard, so I couldnt even begin to make a call on that... I dont know who Scott is, let alone what happened. I was just making a general statement about Tournaments and Contests. I think you may have misunderstood what I was saying. I am purely interested in how it goes. Not trying to extract confessions. Now, this is only my opinion, but if they are governed tight enough, people will police themselves. Then you dont have to worry when you go speak into the little mic or put the little clips on your fingers. Just answer the questions and smile. Yeah, its a helluva big question, but I had to answer it. Andy [ October 31, 2005, 02:47 PM: Message edited by: Andy L ] -------------------- Andy Posts: 2645 | From: Central Missouri | Registered: Apr 2005  |  IP: Logged Cal Taylor Knows what it's all about Member # 199 posted October 31, 2005 05:37 PM                    The temperature deal is a good guess as far as I'm concerned. No way that a coyote blown to pieces will hold as much heat as one with a entrance and no exit. Or a shotgunned one. I've seen both in the same pile. We had a suspect coyote at the Gillette hunt last year, and it got passed as OK, but they thought it was a little cold, funny thing was it was not the first or last shot. It was right in the middle. I think we killed five that day and it was the third or fourth one, and they said it was suspect for being too cold. That is when I knew for a fact that the temp deal wasn't accurate at all. I agree that they can tell if it was killed that day, but thats about it as far as I'm concerned. -------------------- Democracy is two wolves and a lamb deciding what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote. FoxPro Field Staff Member Posts: 1069 | From: Wyoming | Registered: May 2003  |  IP: Logged Doggitter Knows what it's all about Member # 489 posted October 31, 2005 07:15 PM                    "but if they are governed tight enough, people will police themselves" I don't believe that much. Sure, most people will because most people are pretty honest.I've heard stories about happenings within the contests that bristles my neck hair. The tightening of the rules is just a reason to get more crafty in cheating for some. Seems like if some would take some cheating energy and put it into hunting better they'd be more productive. Posts: 273 | From: Oregon rain forest | Registered: Dec 2004  |  IP: Logged Cal Taylor Knows what it's all about Member # 199 posted October 31, 2005 07:18 PM                    I think most cheaters are found out sooner or later Doggitter. They may get away with something for a while, but sooner or later it seems like someone knows what they are doing. -------------------- Democracy is two wolves and a lamb deciding what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote. FoxPro Field Staff Member Posts: 1069 | From: Wyoming | Registered: May 2003  |  IP: Logged onecoyote Knows what it's all about Member # 129 posted October 31, 2005 08:11 PM                   Cal, believe it or not I've probably been on a hundred + competition hunts since 1975. I know what you are saying. What do you prove if you have to cheat I believe if you take money out of the game, you'll be getting rid of some cheaters. It's really sad these guys have to play for money. What ever happened to friendly competition? Leonard was competing long before some of these new guys were ever born and I was competing against "OLD" Leonard now and then ....But guess what? We never had to cheat, didn't have to. I think it's called honor, something that's very much lacking in today's world sad to say. -------------------- Great minds discuss ideas.....Average minds discuss events.....Small minds discuss people.....Eleanor Roosevelt. Posts: 893 | From: Walker Lake Nevada. | Registered: Feb 2003  |  IP: Logged NASA Knows what it's all about Member # 177 posted October 31, 2005 08:16 PM                   Dang Cal, rooms at the Lodge are a mite pricey. Posts: 1168 | From: Typical White Person | Registered: Apr 2003  |  IP: Logged Doggitter Knows what it's all about Member # 489 posted October 31, 2005 11:20 PM                    I hope you're right Cal. May very well be that it was kind of a shock when I heard the stories so they meant more than is really the case. onecoyote, you are so right. There are lots of hard feelings I noticed since attending that one contest I did. Mentioned to to a few people and since I was freshly curious about them I noticed some real bad vibes. All because of the cheating. You're so right about the money. Posts: 273 | From: Oregon rain forest | Registered: Dec 2004  |  IP: Logged Cal Taylor Knows what it's all about Member # 199 posted November 01, 2005 07:20 AM                    I thought they were about $50 Nasa. Maybe that was last years prices? It's not a nice enough place to charge much! LOL! It's supposed to be windy, I'm not looking forward to that. Down there in the wind is not fun, and there are damn few places to get out of it. Anyway, I'm heading out today, to spend some scouting time. I'll be back Sunday. -------------------- Democracy is two wolves and a lamb deciding what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote. FoxPro Field Staff Member Posts: 1069 | From: Wyoming | Registered: May 2003  |  IP: Logged Greenside seems to know what he is talking about Member # 10 posted November 01, 2005 07:36 AM                   Good luck! Looking forward to having a HM member name on the top of the winners list. Dennis [ November 01, 2005, 07:39 AM: Message edited by: Greenside ] Posts: 719 | From: IA | Registered: Jan 2003  |  IP: Logged Tim Behle Administrator MacNeal Sector Member # 209 posted November 01, 2005 08:06 PM                       Cal, Wyoming is the most beautiful place I've ever been, But I don't think either of us are old enough to remember when it wasn't windy there. -------------------- Personally, I carry a gun because I'm too young to die and too old to take an ass kickin'. Posts: 3160 | From: Five Miles East of Vic, AZ | Registered: Jun 2003  |  IP: Logged NASA Knows what it's all about Member # 177 posted November 01, 2005 09:01 PM                   I won't be entering, but I'll bring the Swift along just so's I don't feel nekid. Besides, there's still a few PD's above ground. Posts: 1168 | From: Typical White Person | Registered: Apr 2003  |  IP: Logged onecoyote Knows what it's all about Member # 129 posted November 01, 2005 09:27 PM                   NASA, Dusty and I went coyote hunting the other day. Some rancher told us we could hunt his ranch no problem...BUT...for every coyote we kill we have to kill 5 PDs on his ranch...and we did. -------------------- Great minds discuss ideas.....Average minds discuss events.....Small minds discuss people.....Eleanor Roosevelt. Posts: 893 | From: Walker Lake Nevada. | Registered: Feb 2003  |  IP: Logged

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