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Rich Higgins
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posted September 28, 2003 03:11 PM
I am really interested in the collared coyote that laid up in the brushpile for several days and prompted a mortality signal. Was this coyote monitored only during daytime? Is it possible that it became entirely nocturnal and hunted at night? Or was it monitored 24/7 and laid up quietly for several days?
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trappnman
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posted October 01, 2003 11:21 AM
Rich- The coyote was monitored over a 4-5 period, with readings taken once a day. On all occasions, a mortality signal was given. On the day we checked him, the previous check was the day before in early evening.
When we walked into the woods- the mortality signal was constant- all up until we "jumped" him from the brushpile. I should point out- never saw him then or at all.
Fileds were mainly plowed, phesant hunting was on (very little preserve) and if deer hunting was on (I can't remember) in was in a basicly no hunting area where deer hunters weren't a factor. Interesting huh?
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Rich Higgins
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posted October 01, 2003 05:17 PM
trappnman, how many days did the coyote remain in the brushpile? He was an alpha male, did you collar any other pack members? What was their behavior during this period? Did the male resume a regular routine after hunting season? Being involved in the study what do attribute his behavior to? Sorry to be a pest but this really fascinates me.
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trappnman
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posted October 02, 2003 05:40 AM
His mate was collared on the same day he was- and were together for about a year and she was shot. Both of them primarily hung around the capture farm- and the layup area was on the next farm.
His normal routine was to stay wihin a few hundred acreas. On on previous occasion- he was in the farmers yard at night. Lyle came out once, stood on the steps for a little bit, and went back in the house. About 10:30, Llyle came out and went down to the barn for a while, then went back to the house. The coyote never left the yard. Lyle was unaware of this until told.
We are finding that is food, cover is present- the coyotes pretty much stayed where they were collored- within reason, of course. Some exceptions- a yoy female caught in Oct stayed on thr same fare for 5-6 months- then traveled 19 miles in a night and was hit by a car!
The tech that was doing the study moved on and has been replaced. The new person just does what is required, while Ben did a lot on his own- just for our own information. For example- when we collored a coyote, he would go out that night and track it to see what was up. The new person only tracks on the schedule. Last I knew, the coyote was still out doing his "normal stuff"
I have seen hounds lay up like that when sick or injured- perhaps that was what was going on?
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posted October 02, 2003 08:58 AM
My understanding may be simplistic, but I can see a parallel between the habits of buck mule deer during the rifle hunting season, and the behavior of this coyote.
These deer seem to alter their habits within hours of the first shots being fired, and, for the duration, become reclusive and feed at night more than normal.
I might describe the actions of my cat, when certain strangers enter the house. First, (his name is "Donna") he "owns" this house. So, where does he go, when he feels threatened? Under that kingsize bed in the master bedroom. For hours. Sound familiar?
So, I don't find the actions of this particular coyote to be suprising.
I am also familiar with the casualness of our urban coyotes. I leave for work in darkness and occasionally see coyotes on cat patrol. Many times, I stop and back up, and shine the headlights on the animal. They usually act about as frightened as the average poodle, the only thing missing is the tail wag.
I can see where a coyote would hold his ground while a man walks to and from, his barn.
An interesting animal...(excuse the understatement) ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
Good hunting. LB
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Wiley E
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posted October 12, 2003 06:04 AM
T-man: "I have seen hounds lay up like that when sick or injured- perhaps that was what was going on?"
My guess would be parvo or mange T!
Sounds like everyone is having a good time killing September pups.
Not to belittle anyone's accomplishments but a triple in September is not a triple in December.
Now don't anyone get their hackles up, I'm just trying to put things in proper perspective.
Most September pups in this country hardly know what a person is and most have not heard a shot or been stung with a shot gun.
When we used to skin hundreds of coyotes annually, I would say about 1/3 of them had pellets in them.
After bird seasons, coyotes don't hang around long after a shot or after associating the smell of people with the sting of lead.
It's a lot easier to consistantly kill multiples in September than at any other time of the year.
Anchor the bitch and you can "usually" kill the rest in short order with the right sounds. 5 on a stand is not uncommon while working complaints. That's not the case in December. In December, a triple is a real accomplishment.
Hey Q,
Got to shoot a friends sniper rifle at our annual meeting and hit a 600 yard coyote sized target twice in 25 mph gusty winds. Someday $!
~SH~
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posted October 12, 2003 06:32 AM
Sept. ehh, thats the magic month? Christ, I haven't shot a coyote in sept. in many moons. Come to think of it, I don't really kill many in oct., to date this year, I have not shot a one. Just this week, the weather is beginning to feel like hunting time,cooling down in evening, and mornings are getting close, but still to damned warm by 9:00, but it's coming, maybe another week or two and the onslaught begins.
I need to start joting down info in a journal again, but if my feeble memory serves me, I would have to say the month of feb sees me connecting with more mulitples than any other month.....but as wileys disclaimer always says....thats in my area.
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posted October 12, 2003 08:19 AM
Hot damn!! Scott your alive and well I see. How is the house project coming along?
LOL, “In my area” The unofficial coyote season is just around the corner and the unofficial “Youth and/or special needs” season (August and September) is a thing of the past.
It is going to be a rat race for fur around here this year. Coyote numbers are down and I just learned of two new tournaments that are within and hour or so of my house bringing the tally to 8 or nine this winter in my area. Also, in the paper this week someone was advertising, “Free winter predator control” in the classifieds. What a deal ehh?
Good hunting.
Q,
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posted October 12, 2003 12:41 PM
No hackles up here. A spade is a spade, and I realize that. I guess I’m “special needs”. LOL
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Wiley E
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posted October 12, 2003 06:45 PM
Az,
The only time I kill coyotes in September or October is when I am working on damage control complaints. I was simply pointing out the fact that it's easier to kill multiples during this time of year than at any other due to the family groups still being together and the pups are naive. That was my only point!
I drive by September and October pups on a daily basis as I, like you, see no reason to kill them before their fur is prime if they are not bothering anything. If I need target practice I'll shoot sod poodles.
That's my own personal code of ethics but I don't have a problem with those who get their jollies from shooting pups when they're not causing a problem.
I know how you feel about it and I tend to agree but to each their own.
Q,
The house has been a slow process since I am doing most of it myself.
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posted October 12, 2003 08:51 PM
Nothing personal Bryan J. I just have to give all you immoral heathens who kill coyotes out of “season” a little hell. LOL I have a bad reputation to up hold ya know. Hell even Lance ask me on the phone last night how a turd stirring ass hole like myself got elected as a public relations director. I was flattered. LOL
Those 5 coyotes you whacked in September could have netted you $150 dollars or more in November if you put a little time in them. It makes a lot of sense to put up and sell your fur especially this season as the markets are up.
Good luck this season.
Q,
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Bryan J
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posted October 13, 2003 12:16 AM
Q, I didn’t take it personal, I was laughing about it. You are 100% right, those pelts in the freezer are not going to be worth the same as those taken starting the end of the month.
There are things that you can’t learn or try without a coyote in front of you, I hope what I took with me from that stand will help make future stands more productive. This is the first September that I didn’t educate more coyotes than I took home, maybe it is time to move my “unofficial season opener” back a little. LOL
Good luck this coming weekend.
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