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Topic: I though this was weird.
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Bryan J
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posted November 19, 2004 01:32 PM
This is a picture of a pair of coyotes a buddy and I killed last weekend. Kind of both ends of the spectrum there I think. The one on the left hasn’t been very well fed. He also seemed to rigor up instantly. If you look closely at his face you can see where his face is pulled back. It is as if every muscle in his body just tightened up when he was shot. Anyone experience this before? Or have a guess why this happened?
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Leonard
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posted November 19, 2004 01:45 PM
Hit from behind RK, while mating?
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Z
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posted November 19, 2004 02:58 PM
Bryan,
The dog on the right is a nice looking Utah dog. Hair is not real long, but nice and light. Good job. I have no idea why that happened.
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Weasel
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posted November 19, 2004 04:42 PM
He's smiling because you put him out of his misery. The one on the right is a beaut!
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Bryan J
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posted November 19, 2004 11:50 PM
LOL Leonard I had to look at the picture a few times before I understood what you were talking about. ![[Eek!]](eek.gif) These coyotes were called and killed about 20 minutes before the picture was taken. We took them to the road went for the truck and then took the picture. Good guess though! LOL
It was strange you could pick up a foot and the other leg moved with it, front or rear it didn’t matter. If you picked him up you would think he had been dead a few hours except the head would move a little but not like a freshly killed coyote. It bothered us a little, and we handled him as little as possible. I have no clue just WAGS. All the way from he wasn’t dead to adrenaline still in the tissue or some kind of freaky nerve damage.
Thanks Z and Basil. I kinda like Basil’s assessment! ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif) LOL
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netfere
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posted November 20, 2004 07:47 AM
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Blak coyote
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posted November 20, 2004 05:57 PM
Tetnis maybe??
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Rich Higgins
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posted November 20, 2004 06:34 PM
Sorry netfere. Ain't gonna happen. Once they're down that hard they aren't getting up, up, up.
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Leonard
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posted November 20, 2004 06:35 PM
Black coyote, that's a very interesting suggestion.
I can see that you know a little about tetanus, which causes the afflicted to have a tense grin.
However, I think it's extremely rare in canines; not so rare in sheep and horses.
Not saying it can't happen, I know that it does, but it takes unique conditions.
Good hunting. LB
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Blak coyote
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posted November 20, 2004 07:03 PM
It was just a thought. ![[Wink]](wink.gif) I worked for a large fox ranch for 8 years and probably had around 7 tetanus shots during that time and probably another 4 outside of that time frame for other circumstances.Although I have never seen it in fox,I have seen a condition where some where prone to fits,like epilepsy,which caused grimmacing like this also,and they would always be on the skinny side.Could be just a genetic nerve disorder.From what I've read about tetanus,I would not want to have it.
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Bryan J
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posted November 21, 2004 10:03 PM
Black coyote, thanks. What ever was going on I’m kinda glad we didn’t mess with it much.
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Blak coyote
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posted November 22, 2004 11:12 AM
No problem BrianJ.I believe Leonard is right though, tetanus is extremely rare in canines.The four corners epidemic with the hanta virus,shows us that some things take certain enviromental conditions to manifest themselves.
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Tim Behle
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posted November 22, 2004 07:36 PM
Rich,
Don't be so sure about them not getting back up. I killed a grey fox a couple of weeks ago. I whacked him in the back of the head with a fence post, and killed him real good. But just before I got back to the truck, I could have sworn I felt a pulse, for just a few beats.
So I peeled off my gloves, and checked him out. I couldn't find anything in the neck or by holding over the heart. I even checked the eyeball reflex. Still nothing, I decided I must have felt my own pulse in my hand.
But I've been snookered by more than a few possums in the past, so I cinched the noose pole down around his neck and drove the half hour home.
The wife and dogs came out to see the days catch. I slipped the pole off of him, checked for eye reflex and turn to say something to the wife. A few seconds later, she gets all excited and starts pointing behind me. I turned to find the fox holding up his head and looking at me.
I snatched up my little YoHo shovel and gave another swing. Too late, he spun around and bailed off of the back of the truck, with myself and two dogs in pursuit. He made it a little over 100 yards before Mike, the German Shepard, caught hold and gave him a shake, then flipped him back towards me.
He hit the ground running, and must have thought I was a tree. He came straight to me and one more whack with the YoHo, ended his run. I didn't give him a third chance, his pelt was on a stretcher 10 minutes later.
I wish I could say that was the only time it's happened to me. I've had it happen with fox, coyotes, coons, possums and probably more. It sucks when you get back to the truck and find a critter that you've killed, wasn't as dead as you thought.
Just because it lays in the same spot for 30 minutes, only means it's holding still. Some of them can still get back up!
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Leonard
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posted November 22, 2004 07:48 PM
Good one, Tim. Reminds me of the one that woke up in the cab while we were going down the road at 60MPH.
Good hunting. LB
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Rich Higgins
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posted November 22, 2004 08:43 PM
That is a good one Tim. Tough critters. Lots of stories among old ADC of dead scalped coyotes getting up and running off.
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Bryan J
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posted November 23, 2004 11:29 PM
I got an e-mail from a guy with some medical background. He offered a possibility that required some brain activity, which usually happens with a severe head and brain injury. He called it decerebrate posturing. I just hope he wasn’t like Tim’s fox.
Leonard, care to elaborate? Sounds like a heck of a ride.
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Leonard
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posted November 24, 2004 10:19 AM
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Leonard, care to elaborate? Sounds like a heck of a ride.
Yes, I'm sure others have read an account before, so to keep it brief, I'll just hit the highlights.
Buddy shot a coyote with a twenty gauge, right off the road, while we were traveling at night to a hunting area.
He just tossed it on the floor, at his feet and we were on our way, again.
There were three of us in the cab, and within ten minutes, or so, I noticed two golden eyes, glowing in the darkness.
The guy grabbed a four cell Maglight and freaked out, slashing and cursing, and hitting everything but the coyote, mostly various parts of my dashboard.
As this was happening, even though it was a deserted stretch of road, I was having trouble paying attention to where I was going, and was all over the highway as I tried to coach,and calm down the adversaries.
Some direct pressure on the coyote's neck with a foot seemed to end what had developed into a full blown chinese fire drill.
All this while hurtling through the darkness at freeway speeds.
Good hunting. LB
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Blak coyote
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posted November 24, 2004 05:02 PM
LMAO! Thats hilarious.
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Tim Behle
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posted November 24, 2004 05:57 PM
Leonard,
Red fox have always been one of the most beautiful, fine furs I have ever handled. I never could bring myself to toss one in the back of the truck, I always put them on the passenger side floor board.
Several years back, we had a hell of a good snow there in Indiana. Snow plows had cleared most of the roads, but they left 4' piles of snow on each side.
I caught a nice red, thumped his head and tossed him in the cab, same as always. A few miles down the road, ( and still an hour or two before daylight ) I dropped something, probably my Copenhagen. It rolled to that side of the truck and as I sped down the ice covered road, I reached for it.
I don't know if the fox wasn't completely dead, or I just hit an odd bump. But I ended up with fox teeth around part of my hand.
I freaked. Lost control of the truck, thankfully the 4' snow piles kept me on the "Road" but I dented up both sides of the truck for the next couple of hundred yards
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Weasel
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posted November 24, 2004 07:50 PM
Sheese! I wish you guys would keep video cameras rolling. That'd make some great footage.
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Locohead
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posted November 24, 2004 07:56 PM
SSHEEEESH!!!
NASA, ever tried putting a burro in your car????!!!!!????!!!!
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Bryan J
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posted November 30, 2004 01:46 PM
LOL Thanks Leonard. I’m glad everyone got through it without a trip to the ER! Thanks for sharing.
Sorry for the slow response been out of town for a few days.
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