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Topic: coyote size vs. climate
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Todd Woodall
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posted November 18, 2004 07:36 PM
I am constantly amased by the difference in size of coyotes from different areas. For instance an average sized East Texas coyote dwarfs a large West Texas male coyote. I realize the climate has alot to do with it, but it says alot about the coyotes ability to adapt to its surroundings. I am trowing in a few pics to demonstrate the size difference. Both coyotes were filmed within a week of each other. Pretty amazing.
East average sized.(have seen a couple over 50#)
West
If you dropped an east Texas coyote off out west he would be the king of all the coyotes. Not to mention generate a few phone calls about cross- breeding, or freadishly big mutant coyote sightings. Just bored and messing around and thought I would generate a discussion. Todd Woodall
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Leonard
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posted November 18, 2004 08:46 PM
Coyote size usually gets a few opinions, and observations.
Most places I hunt, any coyote over thirty pounds is good size. They seem to average a little heavier in Nevada and Utah than Arizona. California coyotes are all over the place, size wise, the terrain is so diverse; deserts and high Sierra.
What little hunting I have done in West Texas, they seem close to the same; females 25/28 or so and males around 35?
The biggest coyote I ever saw, in person went a little over 39 pounds, taken from Monitor Valley, Nevada. I didn't kill him, but I drug him about 200 yards.
Good hunting. LB
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DAA
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posted November 19, 2004 05:43 AM
Pretty much what Leonard said. I weighed every coyote I killed, and most of the ones guys I hunted with killed for a couple years. Just exactly as Leonard just mentioned, for most of the areas I hunt anything over 30 lb's is pretty big. The picture below shows the biggest one I've ever killed. Got him a few weeks ago in the Utah West Desert. He weighed 44 pounds. In an area where I'd never seen one bigger than 32 previously.
My own thoughts are that definitely, climate and prey base will play a part in the size of coyotes. But, I suspect that different subspecies have more to do with size differences than anything. Those East Texas coyotes, for instance, are probably a different subspecie than the Mearns and Mountain coyotes I call here in Utah, and would be bigger than the ones here even sharing the same habitat.
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Rich Higgins
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posted November 19, 2004 06:06 AM
Todd, my friend Ronnie tells me that it is 893 miles from Orange, Tx. to El Paso. A lot of changes and variations can occur in that much space. Texas is home to four sub-species of coyote and range in size from the largest of the western coyotes - C.L. frustror (as much as 50 lbs.- the biologist Bailey actually classified it as a wolf) in east Texas to the smallest of the subs - C.L. microdon in south Texas which averages less than 20 lbs. The west Texas coyote that you hunt is primarily C.L.texensis. C.L. mearnsi extends into far western Texas. There is probable intergrading among the subs especially throughout the south west.
Leonard spends alot of time in Ca., Nv.,and Az. where he would encounter C.L. ochropus, C.L. clepticus, C.L. mearnsi, and C.L. lestes. There is quite a bit of variation within sub species as well as between them. A very cool and confusing animal.
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Jay Nistetter
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posted November 19, 2004 08:46 AM
You forgot about the South Texas Lantris Stupidicous.
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posted November 20, 2004 02:06 PM
Rich. I can sure go along with these East Texas Coyotes being named C.L.Frustror. They sure frustrate the hell out of me.
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Todd Woodall
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posted November 20, 2004 04:34 PM
Rich,
You sure know your subspecies of coyotes. I am not that smart so I just call them big uns and little uns. ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif) Very interesting, I figure someone would now a lot more about the subject than me and be able to enlighten us all.
DAA that is a large coyote, very pretty too. Around here(just west of Ft. Worth) that is a big coyote. We killed on last year that was 44 and he was a big dog. He came in with a full grown female and he made her look like a pup. The biggest I have seen is 52# and he was a monster, It came in during a contest and when it came time to weigh for big dog everybody else just left theirs in the truck. Take it easy. Todd Woodall
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Pilgrim on Earth
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posted November 26, 2004 07:37 AM
Most coyotes I shoot here in central Indiana are 35-45 lbs. However, every now and then you come across a Goliath. Here is a link to the photo of a 68 pounder taken this year in central Indiana by Bob Wendt (scroll down the page).
http://p084.ezboard.com/findianapredatorcentralfrm8.showMessage?topicID=99.topic
Bob traps coyotes east and west and ***** most of them alive. I talked to him last week about this one and he said out of the perhaps thousands that he's trapped over the years, this one is the biggest by a large margin. It's alive in the photo (with a cable noose around his neck)...But he did end up killing it for a mount.
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Byron South
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posted November 29, 2004 06:03 PM
here is one of them East Texas coyotes Todd is talking about. Called him in Sunday morning and my buddy Jack shot him at about 6 yards.
Byron
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Todd Woodall
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posted November 29, 2004 07:33 PM
Thanks for the pics Byron. That is a big dog. That spot you are talking about kindof reminds me of the spot you and Hannah called the double. By the way I was thinking 45.7 the whole time but I didnt want to ruin anyones good time.
Todd
[ November 29, 2004, 07:33 PM: Message edited by: Todd Woodall ]
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posted November 29, 2004 07:40 PM
Dang, I gussed that coyote at 48.7 lol. Leonard I remember Monitor valley, called in a lion there. The biggest coyote I ever saw was from the next valley over, Big Smokey Valley. I believe it was 43 lbs and shot by a guy named Bill Nelson back in maybe 78. I remember a guy from San Fernando chapter that got a lion out of that valley and a gal that had maybe 4 or 5 lions, a couple of them that came from Monitor valley. ![[Wink]](wink.gif)
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Byron South
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posted November 30, 2004 09:46 AM
Todd,
Kinda looks like where Hannah and I called the double. That was a big coyote as well. Didn't have any scales back then but if I was guessing I would say that one was up around the 50# mark.
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Dave,
I wish our coyotes were furred up as good as that big boy in your pic. That is one beautiful coyote.
Byron
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