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Author Topic: Noticing a trend on pack locations Doggitter Knows what it's all about Member # 489 posted January 18, 2005 05:55 PM                    When I get a verbal response from coyotes I almost always get at least 2 packs answering, maybe more. Virtualy never does only one pack answer. I'm thinking this is because some members of both packs are kin and therefore want to stay close but of course also need to strike out on their own. Either this or the need for gregariuos fulfillment keeps them close enough to complain about each others proximity? Loren Posts: 273 | From: Oregon rain forest | Registered: Dec 2004  |  IP: Logged Rich Higgins unknown comic posted January 18, 2005 06:19 PM              Loren, do you know what "passive territorial defense" is? IP: Logged Doggitter Knows what it's all about Member # 489 posted January 18, 2005 09:02 PM                    No but sounds like hollerin' at the neighbor to keep out of my yard? LOL I'd love to hear more Rich. Loren Posts: 273 | From: Oregon rain forest | Registered: Dec 2004  |  IP: Logged Rich Higgins unknown comic posted January 19, 2005 06:06 AM              lol, you nailed it. IP: Logged Krustyklimber prefers the bunny hugger pronunciation: ky o tee Member # 72 posted January 19, 2005 08:56 AM                    What if there aren't any neighbors close enough to hear them yell, or to come into their yard? Would they likely live a life of silence? Krusty -------------------- Think about how stupid the average person is, then realize that half of them are stupider than that! Posts: 1912 | From: Deep in the Blue Ridge Mountains of Virginia | Registered: Jan 2003  |  IP: Logged Doggitter Knows what it's all about Member # 489 posted January 19, 2005 05:07 PM                    Yes they would because when a tree falls in the forest and there's noone there they don'tmake any noise. Posts: 273 | From: Oregon rain forest | Registered: Dec 2004  |  IP: Logged Doggitter Knows what it's all about Member # 489 posted January 19, 2005 05:10 PM                    So are they close neighbors because they want to be bothered by each other? If I can chide them into replying and then back away they should tend to follow if that's true. LOL Posts: 273 | From: Oregon rain forest | Registered: Dec 2004  |  IP: Logged Rich Higgins unknown comic posted January 19, 2005 05:33 PM              Doggitter, I'm sure there is a question in there somewhere. IP: Logged Krustyklimber prefers the bunny hugger pronunciation: ky o tee Member # 72 posted January 19, 2005 05:56 PM                    Doggitter, Mine was a serious question. The reason I ask, is I have a coyote den not 500 feet from my back door, in a city park. I had heard they lived in there some months ago, from an article in our neighborhood paper. But until I saw one of them with my own two eyes, I found it hard to believe. Mostly because until I moved last month I had lived on a high ridge overlooking the park and golf course. I could hear, on calm days, golfers calling "fore" or kids playing in the park. But I have never heard these coyotes make any vocaliations. Now I live even closer to them, and still haven't heard them make a peep. I actually had Mr's Higgins and Cronk howling at them the other night (with a recording) and still got no response. Why don't these ones make "passive territorial defense" displays? Krusty -------------------- Think about how stupid the average person is, then realize that half of them are stupider than that! Posts: 1912 | From: Deep in the Blue Ridge Mountains of Virginia | Registered: Jan 2003  |  IP: Logged Leonard HMFIC Member # 2 posted January 19, 2005 07:04 PM                       Krusty, it is, to some extent, a regional thing. Some say that coyotes in their area almost never vocalize. My belief is that the moon certainly does play a part, and various times of the day and night, especially just before dawn, they just can't help themselves. In other words, it varies. Good hunting. LB -------------------- EL BEE Knows It All and Done It All. Don't piss me off! Posts: 31461 | From: Upland, CA | Registered: Jan 2003  |  IP: Logged Doggitter Knows what it's all about Member # 489 posted January 20, 2005 06:00 PM                    Krusty, I would think that they would probably run silent until there was sign of another to talk to. When their daily travels or the winds bring notice of arrivals things would change. I don't talk to someone when I'm out in the sage alone, why would they? Posts: 273 | From: Oregon rain forest | Registered: Dec 2004  |  IP: Logged Doggitter Knows what it's all about Member # 489 posted January 20, 2005 06:04 PM                    Leonard, driving home Sun. night this topic kept running through my head and I kept thinking there's something there. I can't for the life of me get on the same track now. Civilization. Sure feel better when I out there instead. Posts: 273 | From: Oregon rain forest | Registered: Dec 2004  |  IP: Logged Krustyklimber prefers the bunny hugger pronunciation: ky o tee Member # 72 posted January 21, 2005 10:37 AM                    Doggitter, I totally agree with you. If I don't know anything else about animals, I know that everything they do has a reason, and if they don't do something it's because there's no good reason to do so. Oh and on the tree falling thing, I believe you got that exactly right, too. It does not make a noise, it makes a sound. Webster's defines noise as "b : any sound that is undesired or interferes with one's hearing of something". And sound as "c : mechanical radiant energy that is transmitted by longitudinal pressure waves in a material medium (as air) and is the objective cause of hearing". Sound is made no matter if someone is there to hear it, and if someone is, it could only then be considered a noise. Leonard, Thanks, I am one of those who live in a place where coyotes do not regularly make vocalizations, and if they do they do not seem to be the classic sounds one would associate with desert coyotes. If I do hear anything from the new neighbors, I'll make sure to take note of the phase of the moon. I recently heard my very first "mountain coyote" vocalizations, and I wish I had been able to record it. Because there's almost no way for me to describe what I heard. There were no howls, just a short series of what I'd guess were "happy sounds". Small yips, and whines, much like a small dog would make when it's owner returned home, and it couldn't contain it's joy. There were at least three distinct voices, if not more, and it only lasted about 40 seconds, they were on the move as they made these sounds (and may have actually been "gathering" together, then moving off as a group). No amount of goading from Red and I could get them to howl with/at us. The coyote I saw (from 15 feet) last week did not look like the coyotes I usually see. It was small and stocky, like a couse deer. It had short darker grey wirey fur, and looked a lot like the "rain coast wolves" southeast Alaska and British Colombia. Rich, Any ideas on which sub-species of coyote this might be? Krusty [ January 21, 2005, 10:42 AM: Message edited by: Krustyklimber ] -------------------- Think about how stupid the average person is, then realize that half of them are stupider than that! Posts: 1912 | From: Deep in the Blue Ridge Mountains of Virginia | Registered: Jan 2003  |  IP: Logged Rich Higgins unknown comic posted January 21, 2005 11:11 AM              British Columbia, Wa. and Or. west of the Cascades is home to c.l. umpquensis. Probable intergradation with c.l. lestes from the east and south. IP: Logged Krustyklimber prefers the bunny hugger pronunciation: ky o tee Member # 72 posted January 21, 2005 09:05 PM                    Rich, Thanks. What sub-species of coyotes live in the Cascades? Interestingly, some places "west of the Cascades" is as narrow as a 30 mile wide stretch of land (this week much of it has been underwater). I can see where it would be almost impossible for sub-species of resident coyote populations not to "merge". Doggitter, Where are the packs of coyotes you are having "territorial disputes" with, east or west of the Cascades? East or west of the Coast Range? Krusty [ January 21, 2005, 10:02 PM: Message edited by: Krustyklimber ] -------------------- Think about how stupid the average person is, then realize that half of them are stupider than that! Posts: 1912 | From: Deep in the Blue Ridge Mountains of Virginia | Registered: Jan 2003  |  IP: Logged Doggitter Knows what it's all about Member # 489 posted January 22, 2005 09:09 AM                    I hunt east Krusty. Feels like I need to try west again, kinda like going to work. Doesn't sound like the best idea but maybe might possibly be interesting. Loren Posts: 273 | From: Oregon rain forest | Registered: Dec 2004  |  IP: Logged Rich 2,000th post PAKMAN Member # 112 posted January 22, 2005 01:19 PM                       Bomba told me that Higgins was full of horse pucky. Bomba say coyote just another dang lop eared dog. -------------------- If you call the coyotes in close, you won't NEED a high dollar range finder. Posts: 2854 | From: Iowa | Registered: Feb 2003  |  IP: Logged

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