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Topic: The effects of howling?
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Bryan J
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posted February 22, 2005 11:42 AM
Howling has intrigued me for quite some time and I spend a lot of time thinking (or over analyzing if you prefer) about vocalizations. It is interesting for me to read about the different type of responses in different areas. A recent post by Rich H. in another thread got me to thinking some more and I’m interested in what you guys think.
Now that the use of vocalizations has spread from the hands of the pros to the masses could the use of howls by avid predator callers significantly change the territorial and reproductive aspects of the population?
Hypothetically could a wool-grower put electronic callers programmed with group howls on timers and drip stations around and in his pasture, after removing the resident alpha coyotes, reduce his losses?
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Greenside
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posted February 22, 2005 12:13 PM
Bryan, I'm not sure, but I don't think it would take very long to condition the coyotes on the howls. Might have to throw in an occasional gun shot.
Dennis
[ February 22, 2005, 12:36 PM: Message edited by: Greenside ]
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Leonard
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posted February 22, 2005 12:32 PM
Yeah, kinda like my cat.
He ignores every sound I make. Check that: he actually hears everything, he doesn't give any indication, which, if you think about it, is exactly what a coyote will do in an area where humans are making noises to attract the coyotes, but they (the coyotes) have figured it out, and the responses we see are not what you would expect.
There is a term for this: counterproductive.
Good hunting. LB
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Rich Higgins
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posted February 22, 2005 04:43 PM
Bryan, I have three studies that addressed that issue. The concensus is that coyotes become habituated to prey distress, sirens and other curiosity broadcasts but apparently not to broadcast howls. They continued to respond even at the end of a two year study'
My personal opinion is that the sheep man would be very sad after broadcasting howls due to the fact that they do initiate an approach response to both, the territorial coyotes that claim that area or to ALL the coyotes within hearing if the broadcast location is in undefended homerange.
For instance, my house is located within hearing distance of four seperate packs of coyotes. When Tyler and I go outside with our little dogs at night and howl we usually get a vocal response from at least one pack. However anywhere from 2 to 4 hours later at least two packs will arrive at our house and yip-howl from the road in front and the wall in back. Several of the guys here on the board have joined in the howling with us. KeeKee did last month. I agree with Leonard. Counterproductive.
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Greenside
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posted February 23, 2005 05:19 AM
Rich H
If you shot one or two of the back yard coyotes and one or two of the road coyotes, what effect, if any, will it have on the responses? Would they still howl back? Would they still show up at the house?
Dennis
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Bryan J
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posted February 23, 2005 08:31 AM
Thanks all, I can see how the howls could become white noise after a coyote approached and met no confrontation when he got there. Then take a sample from the buffet before leaving IF he left. It seems reasonable.
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