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Melvin
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posted July 07, 2005 07:08 PM
I'm wanting to invest in a dog that will work coyotes to the hunter...Not one that will run them out of the country...I can train it,but would like to know what breed of dog would be recommended as the easiest to train.I would prefer a sight dog over a trailer.
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Rich Higgins
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posted July 07, 2005 09:01 PM
This is Phoebe. You can have her cheap.
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Leonard
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posted July 07, 2005 09:47 PM
She's cheap, all right! Prob. pregnant again? Be careful of Greeks or Professors bearing gifts.
But. If you like that one, he might have a couple more just like her?
Good hunting. LB
edit: is that Tyler with his whoopie cushion?
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Melvin
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posted July 07, 2005 10:14 PM
Maybe i should have known better than to have asked. ![[Frown]](frown.gif)
Rich,..My wife would claim Phoebe as a pet and throw me out
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Az-Hunter
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posted July 07, 2005 10:14 PM
That guy looks suspiciously like our ole buddy Robb...obviously playing a tune on his enema bag?....must be misting:)
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Norm
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posted July 08, 2005 05:29 AM
Some guys have success with the Mtn Cur, some others like the Airdale and I expect there are other breeds that... some are using greyhounds for sight dogs...
The key is finding one that will return to you once it begins chasing a coyote.... if you want to use them for calling...
now if you want a decoy dog... get a phoebe.... put it on a leash and tie it to a bush....
Now if you really want a decoy, I am currently experimenting with a new set up... I take a stray feline, attach it to a taser, set it to a very low setting... pull the trigger... the feline jumps 10ft in the air and yells at the same time... I am thinking that will get some attention in my calling areas...
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Tim Behle
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posted July 08, 2005 06:05 AM
Melvin,
Be very wary of any one who claims to have a dog that can bring the coyotes back to the hunter. The man is more than likely selling dogs and telling you what ever you want to hear.
Tolling only works consistently during the few months a coyote will aggressively protect his den. The other nine months a year the dog is good for entertainment and companionship.
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Rich Higgins
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posted July 08, 2005 07:29 AM
Melvin, Tim knows.
I taped a hunt with Cal Taylor and Scott Huber and during the interview Scott made it clear that these denning dogs they use are effective during the denning and whelping seasons. They emphased that they are not an asset to callers the remainder of the year. This from the professionals.
Vic, yup that's Robb. Calling with a balloon. Anyone else ever try this?
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varmit hunter
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posted July 08, 2005 09:26 AM
Rich. I think that was invented by Gary Sourge, a well known inventor from East Texas.
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CougerBait
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posted July 08, 2005 01:06 PM
I took my lab out back in Jan and Dec. The interesting thing was is she knew the coyotes where there when I could even see them. And that was out side of the 2 - 3 months that they are supposed to work good. I will have a little better understanding after this winter.
I don't expect the coyotes to just come running in. But I do expect the dog to alert me when they are close. I know a guy that uses a jack Russell and they tie the dog to a short leed be hind them. It basically watches the back door. There dog can alert them of a coyote 400 yards out at times. When they fail to see it after a period of time they will break out the binos and see a coyote way out there.
I ended up buy a cur red bone cross. She is only 4 months old at this time. But I'm planning on bringing her every time other than night hunting after she hits 9 months. Right now we are just working on the basics.
Just from the few times of bring out my lab with me, I don't think that having a dog with you will hurt. But my lab I think may be a little too big at 85 pounds.
How big to the Airedales get?
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Melvin
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posted July 08, 2005 08:55 PM
Thanks for the warning,Tim...Been down that road with coon hounds.
Rich,I won't disagree with the professionals...You got a good dog there and i know you know what you,re talking about.
When i'm hunting alone a good dog would be a big asset for me...He could let me know when those backdoor coyotes come in.
A guy i know up in Montana,recomended a border collie...Said they know how to work sheep and are good for working coyotes when trained.
Norm,-CougerBait,...Mt.cur got to much backbone for me...To many bears around here...Last thing i need is a dog and bear fight..Some areas,i can't use a deer distress,without the stinking things comming in...At one time i enjoyed bear hunting,now i see them as nothing more than an over grown grinner.
[ July 08, 2005, 08:57 PM: Message edited by: Melvin ]
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Tim Behle
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posted July 08, 2005 09:09 PM
This dog might work.
Little dog
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Leonard
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posted July 08, 2005 09:25 PM
Damn, Tim! My wife sent me an email pic this morning. Mightly thoughtful of her. Briefly considered what you did....but didn't have the stomach. And, I thought I'd seen it for the last time. Ugh! That dog doesn't deserve to live.
Good hunting. LB
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Melvin
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posted July 08, 2005 09:31 PM
Thats the ugliest damn dog i ever did see! ![[Eek!]](eek.gif)
Tripp!,..Hey Tripp!..You wanna add a good squirrel dog to you're list?
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Az-Hunter
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posted July 08, 2005 11:38 PM
Never tried the balloon squeal Rich, but did know a hunting partner that was ahead of the curve with remote callers:) He would attach a piece of 15-20 foot rubber tubing to a mouth call, roll it out in front of him, and blow like hell. Not the best instrumental control, but none the less a good idea. That turned on the light in my head, as to the benefit of having the predator key in on the sound away from the hunters position. As for dogs on a wintertime calling stand, no thanks, headaches outweigh any percieved benefit. Half the time you'll be cussing them for running jackrabbits,or worse yet, running off coyotes you could have shot if the dog had been home where it belongs:)
They are prone to wrestle with porcupines, so you can spend your prime hunting time pulling quills instead of calling coyotes. If its been wet, they sling mud throughout your vehicle, slobber on seats, and in general just suck time and energy away from what should be, quiet enjoyable time afield calling coyotes.
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Leonard
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posted July 09, 2005 09:07 AM
I've heard that airdales were different, in that respect?
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Rich Higgins
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posted July 09, 2005 09:14 AM
Vic, you hit it right on the head. Mattie and Phoebe are assets only when I want the coyotes to stick around longer. I have to call the coyotes in to them. I see the coyotes long before the dogs do. Only once has Mattie alerted me to a coyote that I did not know was there. By the time the dog sees the coyote I could have shot it a half dozen times, which is why they never go with me when I call to a gun. Great for video though. And they do truly love to get after the coyotes. When I head for the door with my gear they both spin and yelp and bounce off the walls and sometimes I put up with the inconvenience just because I don't have the heart to tell them no.
Melvin, I have never called with a dog in Eastern woods. An alert dog just may detect a coyote and tip you off in time to maneuver it in. Only one way to find out. Let us know how you do.
One last thing. The balloon pic with Phoebe was a gag shot it in my front yard. Anytime we are out of the truck Phoebe is attatched by a leash to my body. If a coyote zips out of the brush and snatches her up it will have to drag my 200+ along with her. They have tried.
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Az-Hunter
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posted July 09, 2005 08:23 PM
Your correct leonard, they are different in that respect, they are TWICE as likely to perform any number of annoying habits that any of the other intelligent breeds might:)
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Steve Craig
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posted July 09, 2005 09:52 PM
Vic,
Only Airedales that aren't well trained!
I've been using one for several years now for calling lions and success rates drop without the dog. But you need a female for obvious reasons. Only problem with them is they tend to come into heat when you need them the most. Other than that, I love my Airedale. She is only a so-so coyote dog because she is just too big and coyotes tend not to come out and fight her. A small to medium sized dog is far better. And they should only be used during the denning season. After that, you will kill more coyotes without a dog. I have used the Dorn Dogs blood line more than 10 to 12 years ago.I have never found one better.
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