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TA17Rem
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posted January 15, 2007 02:48 PM
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posted January 15, 2007 04:30 PM
I am very interested in this myself. We don't get much snow but when we do I'd have to give it a try in the past and can't recall calling anything during the snow or between snow showers. Even tried it at night during the lulls a couple of times. Once the storm passes it seems they'll come into anything.
Last year we had a light snow (couple inches) and my cousin who lives 45 miles away from me had his best day calling there, called 12 I think, I called 0 all day but it was snowing until mid morning here and had quit over there by daylight. The next day I called 7 and he called 0. We chalked it up to the front moving out of his area first but we don't know.
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posted January 15, 2007 05:46 PM
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TA17Rem
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posted January 15, 2007 11:03 PM
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posted January 16, 2007 12:32 PM
I'm not old like some, and not a pro, so please skip over if you like.
Are these really big properties you're calling or how do you know that the coyotes on these properties you call aren't being called to on another property by another caller? (this is my problem...)
And I don't know about your area, but around here lack of permission hasn't stopped alot of people from stalking or calling a property if they see a coyote walking into it or through it as they're driving. Heck a fresh track is all it takes to get some to tresspass...
And 3 times in the last year I've asked permission to call different properties only to find out later (when I was printing off arial pics pre scouting) that the farmers who gave me permission didn't own those properties but wanted the coyotes killed so gave me permission on properties they didn't own...
I have one property I'm the only that has permission to call but the coyote hounds run through it from time to time, deer hunters shoot up the coyotes, I know of one tresspassor that called it (I talked about that farm to a friend and he called it the next day and got caught, I crossed his name off my hunting friend list... ![[Roll Eyes]](rolleyes.gif) wife's cousin... can't trust no one...)
Moral being, how can any of us be sure we're calling virgin ears? Well, maybe if it's in a high fence property keeping the coyotes in and the tresspassors out. ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
Regardless, if the coyote didn't come he didn't like the show you were putting on on that given day. It might have been just that given day or it might have been the show didn't interest him for some reason. Making the show more aggressive might help motivate agressive coyotes, or a more passive show might motivate more passive coyotes (easily intimidated) to respond. Or just a different show, meaning different sounds, timing, location, setup, more calling, less calling, etc.
But again, not a pro here. But getting older. ![[Wink]](wink.gif)
And how do you know if a coyote is a transient or resident by the track it makes in the snow??? ![[Confused]](confused.gif)
later,
scruffy
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posted January 16, 2007 01:09 PM
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TA17Rem
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posted January 16, 2007 03:21 PM
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posted January 16, 2007 03:52 PM
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posted January 16, 2007 03:55 PM
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scruffy
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posted January 17, 2007 07:13 AM
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The area i live in has 1-mile square sections and a few larger sections such as 2 mile and a few 3 mile sections.. When out tracking in the snow the coyotes have an area that they like to bed in and areas that they hunt.
Well heck, your area is just like ours. From looking at your pics in the past it's identical to 2dogs, however mine is more rolling and alot more cover, but similar, some sections identical to yours.
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I went out this mournig looking for coyotes or tracks, buy 8:00 i was on my first coyote for the day, by 8:15 the coyote was down for the count. The coyote made one mistake and that was to turn and look back, i had already dialed in 400 yds on my scope and i took the shot when he stopped to look...This was the coyote that came in late to my stand the day before.. At 10:00 i joined up with the crew and we hunted some of the areas that i called in weeks before. One of the sections was a total bust, we had four coyotes in the section and only got one, another young male.
Yep, a typical day down here as well with good snow.
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Anyway the coyotes are there they are just not responding.
The story of my life. I hate the sitters... Ones you spot, stalk in on, and after a successfull sneak you call to them, unaware you are there, to learn first hand how your calls are working on the coyotes you can't see while purely calling. I hate the coyotes that just sit and stare at your location 400 yards away, no matter what you throw at them, they just don't care to come in. And then you shoot them (or miss...). You end the calling session frustrated that the calls didn't work. The coyote likely was in a "safe" area when I stalked in on him, it should of worked, but it often doesn't, especially this time of year.
Hopefully though your dragging a spot/stalk coyote back to the truck as a consolation prize.
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On another note there was a section we hunted that has a den in the middle of a corn-stubble field and the coyotes are useing this den.
Oh now your just talking crazy talk! ![[Eek!]](eek.gif) The topic of coyotes ducking into holes to get out of sub zero 30-40mph+ wind driven snow has been discussed and the consensus was that healthy coyotes don't do it. Sorry. It must have been a badger or something living in there. LOL.
Edit: Good job on the three you got! Please post some pics. Have you been seeing alot of mange up your way. Too much of it down here, but hopefully this cold weather is reducing the number of mangy coyotes so they don't keep spreading it.
later,
scruffy
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posted January 17, 2007 09:47 AM
We all see different things, some common, some unique. Personally, I have never seen a coyote go into a hole, or emerge from a hole. Fox do it all the time, in my experience, winter and summer, but I do not hunt the denning season and have not seen a coyote in a den. Will I state catagorically that it doesn't happen...no. Coyotes are highly individualistic and capable of a wide range of behavior, but you can still depend on the average coyote doing the expected. The exception proves the rule, so they tell me?
Good hunting. LB
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posted January 17, 2007 10:13 AM
We need TA to put a internet camera on the field hole so we can take turns watching it to see what (coyote?) goes in and out of it, and hopefully record it.
That won't estiblish if this is "normal" behavior for coyotes in the midwest, but atleast we could all say we saw a coyote come in or out of a hole in the middle of winter.
later,
scruffy
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posted January 17, 2007 10:35 AM
I know this isn't "normal", but what is, 1 in 100 bears do this, 1 in 10, 1 in 1000, what makes something "normal"?
Snopes.com confirmed this field hole in Wisconsin (got pics and info from finsandfur.net, awesome site!). Nope, not a coyote though.
"The combine was stuck in what the farmers thought was a badger hole, that was before they saw a big black paw and then a black head come sticking out. They knew then it wasn’t a badger, but instead their
Combine was stuck in a Bear den hole. The Bear den hole turned out to be 5 feet deep. The bear was trying to dig out from under the wheel of the combine but couldn’t get out, so ultimately the DNR told them to shoot it.
It was a male and dressed out at 287 pounds."
All I can say is, dam badgers....
We have "badger holes" all over down here, every terraced field has one or a dozen of them, all over, must be thousands of badgers around here to dig holes everywhere, thick as squirrels, yet I've only seen one badger in 15 years, and he was hanging around the house in the middle of the day climbing trees, I'm assuming sick, his sickness didn't last long.
Anyway, I think badgers get alot more credit for digging holes than they deserve. I could be wrong, but I've seen other things digging holes, but never a badger, hard for me to believe/understand all these "badger holes" everywhere...
Anyway, what is "normal". 1 in 10 coyotes do it? 1 in 5? or 1 in 100? I see multiple active "badger holes" every winter. I know some are inhabited by skunk, as I've been lucky (unlucky?) enough to see them come and go. Others have a lot of coyote tracks around them, pretty sure a skunk inhabited hole wouldn't have "alot" of coyote tracks around it. Same goes for possum and other possible inhabitants. Not sure why there would be so many tracks, both entering and leaving, unless it was using it.
Kind of like antelope, legend says they don't jump fences, yet they do, there's footage that says they do, is it "normal" for an antelope to jump fences? They are certainly capable and have reason to, but is it normal?
But I digress, I don't know the answers, but I think coyotes use holes in non-denning times around here more often than other places, normal or not. Maybe our coyotes are more abnormal?
later,
scruffy
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posted January 17, 2007 02:04 PM
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TA17Rem
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posted January 17, 2007 02:57 PM
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posted January 17, 2007 07:06 PM
In the interest of accuracy, I didn't say anything about culverts, I said den holes, and I would not argue the point, just that I have not SEEN it. And, I do not have doubts that a coyote may enter a hole, I just have not seen it. Are we clear?
Good hunting. LB
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TA17Rem
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posted January 17, 2007 07:33 PM
Yes Leonard, LOUD and clear..
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posted January 17, 2007 07:43 PM
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posted January 17, 2007 08:06 PM
I have seen coyote tracks around holes and around culverts. The only coyotes I have seen in those two places were pushed there by hounds.
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posted January 18, 2007 03:22 AM
Men who live and breath for the main purpose of hunting, trapping and calling coyotes, realize that a coyote den is only used by coyotes for a short time in the spring. That is why this period of time is widely known as "denning" time. A few less experienced individuals see a coyote come out of a hole and automatically assume they found a coyote den. Coyotes are hunters that check out almost every hole they find. If they smell dinner in the hole, they try to go in there after it. Does that make said hole a coyote den? NOPE.
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posted January 18, 2007 04:17 AM
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posted January 18, 2007 05:56 AM
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posted January 18, 2007 07:32 AM
I agree with Rich that a coyote will seak out dinner where ever he can find it. And because a coyote is in a hole it doesn't make that hole a den, it has to have pups in it to be a den (by my definition), without pups it's just a hole with a coyote in it.
If the places they can get out of the wind is limited, a fence post provides little relief, I don't know why it's such a stretch of the imagination that a coyote, raised in a hole, who raises pups in a hole, hunts in holes, who knows where all the holes in his territories are at, would then go in a hole to get out of the weather or get out of the storm. Heck, I know I would, and I think alot/most coyotes are smarter than me when it comes to outdoor survival.
I'm actually surprised that coyotes other places don't use holes to get out of the weather like they do here. Maybe ours are a little smarter? Maybe it's because all these @#$% badgers that dig holes, one every few hundred yards, that makes them more apealing to coyotes here?
But we'll have to agree to disagree. I won't convince those that haven't seen it, and you won't convince me either, it's counter what I've seen and understand. ![[Cool]](cool.gif)
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posted January 18, 2007 08:30 AM
Once again, personally, I just have not seen it. I believe you, scruffy! It's not a stretch.
Good hunting. LB
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posted January 18, 2007 09:31 AM
2dogs,
I have learned to never say never when it comes to coyotes. Coyotes are ultimate survivors. With all of the pickup jockeys running down coyotes here in the midwest, it would surprise me if coyotes DIDN'T learn to hide in holes or culverts when being chased. The "hole" could be an old coyote den, the den of other creatures, holes caused by erosion, and old culvert or whatever. What I am saying that these holes are not coyote dens in the true meaning of the word.
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