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Rich Higgins
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posted November 19, 2006 07:57 AM
Yesterday Tyler and I did four stands with Gerry in an area that gets pounded. Three different club members have told me that they have blanked in this area recently.
Coyotes came in to three of the stands shortly after issuing howls. The only blank stand was the one that we did not howl.
What I think is remarkable was the second stand where Tyler, then I, then Gerry were seated in a row about 20 yards apart on the side of an elevated berm. Tyler went through a few series of different distress. Ten minutes or so into the stand I blew a lost puppy howl, Tyler followed with puppy distress. I then blew an adult lone howl and Tyler followed again with puppy distress. As Tyler continued calling a coyote trotted in over a small ridge at our 10 o'clock position, about 100 yards out, and made a beeline directly for me. He could not see me yet he pinpointed the exact location of the howls. He came straight in to 20 yards in front of me where he stopped and stared directly at my position, totally ignoring Tyler's distress.
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stevecriner
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posted November 22, 2006 10:53 PM
Rich,
I was going to call and visit with you about how your hunt went with Gerry, Sounds like you guys had a blast.
I do have a question though. I have debated with some folks latley about howling. I truely think a fella should start with a distress of some sort no matter what and then howl if nothing. I am guilty though of just howling or starting off with a howl and im not saying its wrong. But i think in a matter of numbers you will up your chances at calling that coyote that just maybe had his ass kicked the night before or as you say it." the one sleeping under the bush 5o yrds away..
Im not asking you to back me or trying to prove a point, i would just like your opinion on this because you state that you had success on every stand except the one you didnt howl on. Steve
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Cdog911
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posted November 23, 2006 05:18 AM
Sounds like you guys had a good time and a good hunt.
Steve, your question, or the nature of it, was part of a conversation b/n Q and I this weekend as well. One of the biggest distinctions b/n his coyotes there in the panhandle and my farm coyotes here is that his seem to be much more widely dispersed whereas my litters are dispersed, but still staying together for the most part. We only called up one deuce all weekend there whereas it's relatively easy, using howls, to draw in a double or better here yet. One point I made to Q was that using howls becomes an even bigger crap shoot and numbers game now because opening with a lost puppy or basic lone howl seems to have even odds of either bringing in the pack or scaring away intimidated singles.
By my best guess, and who knows if I'm even close, sometimes it's best to avoid the howls and bring in the yearlings with distress. Overall, and within the big picture, that means I bring in fewer coyotes across the span of the entire season. If I want to beef up my numbers, I invoke the howls and bring them in as multiples. Unfortunately, I can only shoot at them one at a time, and statistically speaking, most multiple callup situations only result in a single kill anyway. So, the strategy I'm trying is to use distress only when I'm calling alone to avoid creating a situation where I kill one and educate the remainder of the pack. And if I have a gunner along, start with howls when we're better outfitted to deal with a double or triple. I don't know what the outcome will be but it makes sense to me to not only take as many coyotes as we can, but to limit the number we educate along the way thereby laying the groundwork for the next trip out.
I'm interested to hear Rich's response, too.
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stevecriner
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posted November 23, 2006 07:40 AM
Ok i see your point as well. You are right in the numbers game that maybe howling will prevoke the stand to kill ration to rise. I guess in certain areas it might twist this around a bit. In my area i call more singles in with howls ,and more multiples in with distress.
Some people are just dead set to howl first and im curiouse to hear others opinions. And when giving your opinions please give the area you are in and include the percent of multiples to singles.
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Rich Higgins
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posted November 23, 2006 07:58 AM
I would truly love to have Lance's problem and have to refrain from howling to reduce the numbers of coyotes from responding. lol
Steve, as you and all who attended the campout witnessed, the coyotes in this area of Az. are pressured hard. Just as you do, Tyler and I begin the stand with soft rodent distress, calling to the coyote napping 50 yards away. We increase volume with different sounds over the course of 10 minutes or so and then issue the two howls. The purpose is to get their attention and peak their curiosity without raising their adrenaline level. We get yoys as well as older animals to respond.
Sat. we called five stands and brought coyotes in on four of them. The only stand that they did not respond to was the one that Gerry blew standard jackrabbit distress on a TallyHo without howls. The coyotes approached the stand shortly after issuing the howls in each case.
On the first stand, the wind swung around to our backs as we approached a wash that we were going to call and two coyotes on the other side of it began barking and t-howling at us. We set up anyway and I began the calling. 10 minutes later after I blew the howls a coyote behind us began barking and I continued with a series of nonaggressive howls for another ten minutes and the coyote walked in 5 yards past Tyler and stopped 10 yards from me. Tyler shot her. She was a yearling female.
The second stand was the one that I described in the first post. He was a two year old male.
The fourth stand we set up close to a thick wash and I brought in a large coyote within 30 yards, stopped him in a small open space where he stood with his head lowered looking up at the origin of the howls and other sounds, I froze with both hands on the call and the rifle in my lap. No one else could see him in the thick brush. He turned and left. Tyler stopped him but he couldn't thread a bullet through the brush. We all got up and sneaked back to the truck, drove a half mile or so in a loop back to the same wash and set up a quarter mile downwind from the previous stand. Tyler called and after ten minutes of distress and then the two howls a six year old male approached cautiously, stopping often. Gerry made a beautiful shot at 213 paces with his Sako 22-250. Gerry got the photos he needed and headed home. Some members of the club have told me that they haven't had any luck in this area in a long time.
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posted November 23, 2006 09:10 AM
Rich,
Sat. we called five stands and brought coyotes in on four of them. The only stand that they did not respond to was the one that Gerry blew standard jackrabbit distress on a TallyHo without howls. The coyotes approached the stand shortly after issuing the howls in each case.
So why the delay in the howls. Apparently that's what gets their attention?
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Rich Higgins
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posted November 23, 2006 09:32 AM
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Tyler and I begin the stand with soft rodent distress, calling to the coyote napping 50 yards away. We increase volume with different sounds over the course of 10 minutes or so and then issue the two howls. The purpose is to get their attention and peak their curiosity without raising their adrenaline level. We get yoys as well as
Dennis, we get their attention first, before issuing the howls. This combo, in this sequence, brings in more coyotes for us than blowing howls first will.
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posted November 27, 2006 10:00 AM
Rich,
I have a question for you. You stated that you blew a series of non-aggressive howls for another 10 minutes before the coyote showed up. During those 10 minutes of howling, what is the sequence and spacing of the howls you used?
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posted November 27, 2006 02:20 PM
Hi Rich,
How long does it take for a coyote to respond after you howl? Went out a couple of weeks ago(Nov. 9-10) and had good luck.
Used a strategy similar to what you have described. Several times we had a visual almost immediately after howling. Less than 20 sec. seemed like they may have been standing in cover and once we howled they stepped out.
Interested in how long it was for you.
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Rich Higgins
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posted November 27, 2006 04:21 PM
Usually the same here, Albert. We work up to the howls with distress for several minutes first but the coyotes usually show quickly after the howls.
If the coyotes sound off it takes quite a bit more time.
sdyote, you asked
"During those 10 minutes of howling, what is the sequence and spacing of the howls you used? "
I'm not sure what you mean by sequence, the "spacing" is usually just following the coyote when it sounds off. During periods of silence from the "yipper" (an ode to SH) I continue with frequent howls and series of howls.
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albert
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posted November 28, 2006 05:49 AM
Rich Thanks for the reply.
By sounding off do you mean after the howl or during the intial distress cries?
I have poor luck if I get a vocal responce to disstress cries. Seems that I have to move on these coyotes to have any chance of success.
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Rich Higgins
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posted November 28, 2006 06:25 AM
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By sounding off do you mean after the howl or during the intial distress cries?
Either/or. How they respond is dependant on their security levels, which is why I start very lowkey and literally try to "seduce" them. If they are too "tight" and won't budge within a reasonable length of time, we will come at them from a different direction.
Coyotes that issue a short squall with no barks as they retreat have been a lost cause. I have leapfrogged with them several times and have never gotten one to approach.
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