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Rich Higgins
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posted June 22, 2007 12:31 PM
We can have a little fun fleshing this one out.
1. Do you believe it is better to be still or concealed?
2. Which do you believe to be most important, color, pattern or form?
3 Did Gerry Blair really call javelina and coyotes while wearing a Santa suit?
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posted June 22, 2007 12:39 PM
1: Be STILL
2: Patern
3: No clue if he did or not, but I could see it done, as long as he sat still ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
What did I win Rich? ![[Razz]](tongue.gif)
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Leonard
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posted June 22, 2007 12:51 PM
Higgins, this is like having too much money, unless you are Bill Gates.
Turn the question around. Tell us the time that camo screwed things up for ya.
And, yes, on the Santa suit. I think I recall pictures? And, who else, (besides Higgins), is ***** enough to try it?
Not moving is a good idea, but I believe that, if the sound is coming from a still form, a coyote is able to figure out that it doesn't belong.
Good hunting. LB
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Bofire
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posted June 22, 2007 01:00 PM
Hey Rich,
1. it depends on the flora, size, height, density. Best is be still and hidden.
2.Depends on the Flora, but Color, Form, pattern, would be my choices.
3.Yes,(I don't remember the Javelina) It was Gerry Blair, I am old but am sure I remember seeing a picture.
Carl
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Krustyklimber
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posted June 22, 2007 01:14 PM
My answers;
1. Still.
2. Form.
3. I don't remember reading the part about coyotes, in Gerry's book.
My opinions;
1. & 2. If you are not moving, and you do not look like (the form of) a human, you are less likely to be noticed (visually), or percieved as a threat.
If I dress like a mailbox, and sit still enough, on the corner...
2. If I look like something non-threatening, I'll be less threatening, even if I am moving.
In the form of a cow, I am not a human, so no worries. (Higgins' ugly cow?)
3. Isn't there supposed to be video footage of said historical event?
Leonard,
I didn't figure calling into the equation.
I thought that might be an addendum to the conversation though.
The three other "Bill Gates" questions;
1. Call from where you are?
2. Remote Calling?
3. No calling?
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UTcaller
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posted June 22, 2007 02:12 PM
Rich,
1)Still....I have always felt camo was overrated.That being said I have been using some Kings desert shadow camo my wife bought me for Christmas/birthday.Very nice colors ![[Cool]](cool.gif) FWIW lol
2)Color....General color of terrain you are calling(like the carhart brown)in grassy/sage country.That's why I kinda like this new desert shadow stuff(yellow/Tans with sage brush).But I still don't think it's nesessary(camo patterns)again FWIW
3)Yes,and if I'm not mistaken he has a picture of him with the santa suit on and a coyote he is holding over his shoulder..
Good Hunting Chad
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Leonard
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posted June 22, 2007 02:15 PM
What about the Easter Bunny?
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Randy Roede
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posted June 22, 2007 02:44 PM
What would be so hard about calling one while looking like Santa?
Everybody likes to see Santa!!LOL
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furhvstr
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posted June 22, 2007 03:44 PM
I believe the santa suit footage is in one of his Beastmasters videos.
In a contest I always wear a camo shirt and headnet. Predator camo with its broken pattern and color to match the brush. I figure they can't see my legs and often they can only see my shoulders and head from their perspective ( 20 inches +/- off the ground).
Being still is important but what good is camo if your out in the open?
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Paul Melching
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posted June 22, 2007 05:57 PM
Rich
I'd say still is most improtant as I call from out in the open often and am not seen.
I dont know what colors a coyote sees but camo must break things up as far as your form goes to be useful , other than just being really cool.
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I always cover my hands and face.
[ June 22, 2007, 05:59 PM: Message edited by: Paul Melching ]
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Rich Higgins
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posted June 22, 2007 06:05 PM
Being still is important but what good is camo if your out in the open?
fur, it would certainly tell you which is more effective, color, pattern or form.
A couple of years ago Tyler and I videoed Brent Rueb calling in a cow pasture in Kansas. Nothing but two inches of grass. Worried the heck out of a bunch of cows that circled waaay around Brent and Tyler and huddled around me. Color nor pattern mattered, only form.
There is a clip on our video called "Hide in Plain Sight". Tyler and I set up on a barren plowed hillside and called five or six coyotes in, and kept them there for quite a while. Form was all that mattered then also.
On the video also, Tyler called a coyote in to about 30 yards or so that sat down and watched him call for a while. Tyler was wearing the big Easter bunny head and a red smoking jacket. I'm betting that color and pattern weren't the prime factors in that camo either. ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
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JeremyKS
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posted June 22, 2007 06:11 PM
I wear camo in an effort to break up my outline. I catch myself quite often moving too much when scanning in effort to see all my surroundings, might need to work on that but I seem to get away with it.
Most of the time I have gloves on just because its cold but I very rarely wear a face mask.
Who wears a face mask?
Edited to add...
I don't think this has been mentioned yet, I feel it is pretty important to have the sun at your back and try to sit in the shadows.
[ June 22, 2007, 06:18 PM: Message edited by: JeremyKS ]
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posted June 22, 2007 06:12 PM
Still-- Camo-- good background
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Rich Higgins
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posted June 22, 2007 06:18 PM
Paul, I move around a lot on stand with a camera, I still have coyotes and fox jump on me. I have coyotes hang around exremely close for long periods of time. BTW. these are coyotes in hard called areas. Movement doesn't alarm coyotes. They expect to see movement. When the movement draws their attention to the human form is when we get busted.
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Greenside
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posted June 22, 2007 06:21 PM
They expect to see some motion
Missed matched camo to break up body mass or form
Coyote can't see the color red
Edit:Rich posted while I was loggin on
[ June 24, 2007, 08:44 AM: Message edited by: Greenside ]
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JeremyKS
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posted June 22, 2007 06:23 PM
what colors can a coyote see.
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Rich Higgins
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posted June 22, 2007 06:30 PM
Jeremy, they see in the blue spectrum. Just shades of gray in the red spectrum.
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JeremyKS
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posted June 22, 2007 06:33 PM
interesting Rich.
Got off topic from my first question who all thinks you need to wear a face mask?
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posted June 22, 2007 06:38 PM
I've seen the footage of the Santa suit, and it would be more compelling if he was out in the open where the coyote could have a chance to see his form for a longer period of time from a longer distance. The footage does prove that a guy can sit in shadows within some cover without wearing special camo. The little pigs didn't stick around very long either.
Can a coyote see a "human" while the human is in the sitting position? With or without camo?
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Greenside
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posted June 22, 2007 06:44 PM
Only when the sun is in my face, other times my white beard makes me look like a snowshoe rabbit to a coyote.
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Rich Higgins
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posted June 22, 2007 06:46 PM
Jeremy, I wear a face mask. Over my whole body.
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JeremyKS
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posted June 22, 2007 06:50 PM
haha I think I’ve seen you post that. Did they try to nibble on you? Looks to be the only green thing out there.
I feel that when a coyote is coming in they are looking for visual to lock in on and sometimes that is your face. Do you think that makes any sense?
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furhvstr
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posted June 22, 2007 07:24 PM
Higgins,
"What good is camo when your out in the open"
What I meant is breaking the human form. Sitting in that field with camo on wouldn't break up your form but the netting does. Genrally camo only works when combined with stuff around, in front or behind you.
Am I close?
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Krustyklimber
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posted June 22, 2007 08:49 PM
Jeremy,
If I'm hunting, I'm wearing a facemask. Rabbits and upland birds are the only time I don't.
Mercer,
I think I agree with you, camo just helps you become part of some other form.
And without another form to "blend into", you have to become a different form.
Become different enough, you don't necessarily have to be still.
Krusty
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posted June 22, 2007 09:57 PM
Years ago, I was turkey hunting with a friend in some small trees and dead clumpy grass. We sat about 30 yards apart and he was doing the calling. I was looking away from him while he was getting set, studying the area and when I turned my head back his direction, he was gone. He had slipped on a cheap green rain pancho with a small leaf pattern on it that didn't match at all but it broke up his outline. I never did find him till he turned his face towards me.
I wear a facemask while calling.
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