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jwelk
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posted August 17, 2010 07:39 PM
There is a good handfull of guys out there that
are good hands when it comes to calling coyotes.
What is it that makes the good ones,good?
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Rich
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posted August 18, 2010 05:08 AM
"What is it that makes the good ones,good?"
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They have access to territory that holds a lot of coyotes. They are dedicated folks who work hard to learn the basics. After that, they spend a lot of time learning what works in their country. They spend more time calling then they do watching the boob tube.
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Andy L
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posted August 18, 2010 05:58 AM
Rich nailed it.
One of the best coyote hunters I have ever hunted with, had nothing fancy and hunted no different than I hunt.
He told me the reason he racks up the numbers is he hunts very remote places with huge populations of coyotes. He hunts a lot. And he is an above average shot. If a coyote gets within 250 yards, it dies or he is pissed.
I think there is a lot of truth in what he said.
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booger
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posted August 18, 2010 08:37 AM
I agree with Andy--those that are 'good' hunt A LOT!
I think there are more guys that are good hands calling coyotes, they just don't blow their horns about it. We are led to believe that the only good hands calling coyotes are the ones that promote themselves or make DVD's.
I think Lance Homman is a pretty good hand, but almost goes out of the way to avoid the spotlight due to his humility. I don't want him to quit writing his column, however! ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
Lots of land access is also important.
In my opinion, it is a numbers game. The more stands you make, the more coyotes you are going to see, and hopefully kill. All bets are off, though, if you are a moron with your woodsmanship.
Calling where coyotes are, or have been, sounds simple, but is something that is often overlooked.
We scout and try to find activity where we call. We have called some places that just looked like it should have coyotes, but had zero luck. After consistently getting skunked, we started over with our reasoning of why we were there, re-examined the spots and found zero sign--no tracks, no scat, no activity.
Conversely, we have called and killed coyotes where the landowners said there were none, due to the fact they 'Haven't heard 'em'. The difference--tracks and scat.
These are just my opinions, of course, take it for what its worth!
[ August 18, 2010, 09:42 AM: Message edited by: booger ]
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Kokopelli
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posted August 18, 2010 01:05 PM
The truely great in ANY field have a passion for it that comes from deep down. They have a drive to succeed no matter how many times they have to fail. They are their own worst critic and are brutally honest with themselves. They know that the mind will always try to fail before the body does so they discipline the mind to make it strong. The sport doesn't matter; archery, baseball, coyote calling...........all the same. Once the basics are mastered it comes down to who wants it the most and who is willing to work the hardest to get there. Excuses don't cut it; only results. A lot of people don't like this kind of person.
Now; Can a weekend sport hunter be any good?? Certainly. He can even be damn good. But he can only rise to the level of his own personal drive. There's nothing wrong with being 'laid back' and enjoying modest success. The key word here is 'enjoying'.
Then there's the instant expert who wants to take the latest & greatest of every gizmo known behind locked gates to learn quite a bit about a small nitch of coyote hunting and proudly proclaim to all "THIS IS THE WAY!!!!" That might be so where he hunts, but maybe not so much so where I hunt. I'm not sure, but I think that it was one of this type of person that invented the 'Butt-Out' deer gutting tool.
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jwelk
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posted August 18, 2010 04:03 PM
Good replys.Having lots of coyotes is good, but I do see guys that are not what I would call a good hand at calling put up ok numbers just because where they hunt.They just have a ton of
coyotes.
What about the guy that can get it done pretty
good when things are tough?
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Leonard
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posted August 18, 2010 05:01 PM
I don't know? I used to have a pretty dedicated attitude, for many years. Driven, really. I don't know when that left me? But, in a nutshell, you have to have "the fever". All the prime locations follow the dedication. Of course, I am talking about hunting contests, and that's where I learned a lot about numbers. Everything is numbers, hunting time available, driving time taken into account, just plugging away with no rest, and you make your own luck.
Anymore, I really don't worry too much about the one that got away. But the things you learn become automatic so that you can pretty well fake it, when need be. And, that's another thing. You have to be good at killing what's out there. Some guys are satisfied with dumping one coyote and getting a lucky shot off at another one. It's part of the learning process and what makes you a little better than the next guy.
Good hunting. LB
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posted August 18, 2010 05:22 PM
There is little doubt that you have to have a huntable number of coyotes to hunt and a place to do your thing. Past that, I believe that learning to make a good setup is the most important aspect of success. Being able to close the deal is also important stuff.
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DAA
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posted August 18, 2010 06:09 PM
So which are you more impressed with, the guy that can hit a new area cold and put up numbers, or the guy that can set out to kill "a" coyote or particular pair of coyotes and get it done?
- DAA
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Kokopelli
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posted August 18, 2010 08:40 PM
The guy who can target a problem animal or pair of problem animals and solve a depredation situation, by far, is the more impressive.
Much has been mentioned about numbers. High numbers are needed to learn the basics but after that, can be misleading. Kill 20 coyotes a year in west Texas and it's no big whoop. Kill 20 coyotes a year up in western Washington and you deserve to do some end zone dancing.
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R.Shaw
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posted August 18, 2010 09:21 PM
Kill 200 coyotes in west TX and you have learned a hell of a lot, especially if hunting at night. Kill 20 coyotes in Washington, although maybe some big feat, you have learned practically nothing.
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Krustyklimber
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posted August 18, 2010 09:58 PM
Randy,
Can you explain why you think there's less to be learned here?
Krusty 
P.S. I am actually inclined to agree, but I'm wondering if we're riding the same train of thought.
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posted August 19, 2010 04:00 AM
I think R Shaw is saying to kill 20 coyotes a year anywhere doesn't teach a hunter much.
That having been said, kill 20 coyotes a year in New Jersey and you are a damn hero. That has never been done here, by the way.
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R.Shaw
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posted August 19, 2010 05:51 AM
KK...What 49 said. The coyote is the teacher so I would rather learn from 200 different coyotes versus 20. And if most of the education comes from night hunting so much the better. Once a person understands what the eyes are saying, you can learn more about daylight hunting when you are hunting after dark.
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TOM64
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posted August 19, 2010 05:53 AM
To me I'm more impressed with calling cold than killing a particular pair of coyotes. Forgive me if I'm wrong but the ADC guys I know just kill until the killing stops. None of them can say let that coyote pass he ain't the problem coyote.
As for what makes one "good", numbers. Both animals to hear the call and stands made.
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posted August 19, 2010 06:04 AM
Tom, I understand what you are saying about our ADC guys. But, I have more respect for the guys who can kill a trouble coyote/pair and end the problem. This to me requires much more knowledge and skill than the way it is taken care of around here. Which, as you know, usually involves aircraft and a scorched earth policy.
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posted August 19, 2010 06:24 AM
So which are you more impressed with, the guy that can hit a new area cold and put up numbers, or the guy that can set out to kill "a" coyote or particular pair of coyotes and get it done?
- DAA
I am equally impressed with both, because each scenario takes a person that has put in their time and has the dedication and ability to get it done.
But if I had to pick one, it would be the man that puts all the effort into killing a problem coyote.
Stay after them
Kelly
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Andy L
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posted August 19, 2010 06:27 AM
I have heard several times Randy and Cal talk about a pair or single giving them fits. To me, as many coyotes as they have in their area, first to be able to recognize that it is a certain coyote or coyotes, locate, pattern and kill the offenders is one hell of a feat.
Not putting down the guys that kill big numbers in a high target area by any means.
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Lone Howl
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posted August 19, 2010 07:46 AM
I admire both, because they are both dedicated and skilled in the craft, one because he has to be, and one because he wants to be(but sometimes both). But I have to go with the guy chasing the problem animals. But either way really, I always believe you have to be driven as Leonard says, i.e. "you gotta have the love" to be a little more succesful than the average caller/hunter or whatever.
I also believe you have to have been around a ton a coyotes to be one of the higher level callers/hunters. 20 coyotes vs 200....the 20 is for sure a great feat in some places,and not to be scoffed at, but, well, I just personally believe you learn more from 200.Just my opinion.
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posted August 19, 2010 08:05 AM
Maybe it's because I cold call all the time and occasionally manage to stumble around in a good area and put quite a few in the back of the truck, despite being a garden variety recreational amateur with no real skill, but yeah, the guys that can target a particular pair or aim to clean out a particular drainage and get the job done impress me more.
- DAA
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posted August 19, 2010 09:13 AM
IMO one is not better than the other,just different.Both are extremely impressive in my book.
Targeting a specific coyote or coyotes and dispatching it/them with minimum loss to the farmer/rancher is a talent thats for sure.
But so is the guy that consistently puts up big numbers year after year.Both take alot of hard work and a knowledge of how best to get the job done.
And who knows,a guy thats really good at targeting specific coyotes might not be very good at putting up huge numbers,and the guy that can kill a ton of coyotes may not be able to kill the "one" that has to be killed.
Good Hunting Chad
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posted August 19, 2010 11:00 AM
Ok, Heres my theory! All the really good guys wear matching camo. Meaning that their shirt matches the pants and cap. Most of the really greats wear a facemask (even when they are in town filling up with gas). Most of them have alot of stickers on their truck and gear, advertising everything from feminine personal products to Rocky boots. All that I have seen carry ARs slung in front in the low and ready position, in case they see a coyote while walking to the set from the truck. Its a long 35 yards and anything could happen! The really great ones also carry spare magazines in several pockets. There are so many things I can't think of right now, but I will add as think of more!
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Randy Roede
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posted August 19, 2010 12:01 PM
Cal,LMAO!!!!
The boots are a dead giveaway.
Never think ADC calling and recreational calling are the same.
I tend to be a pretty happy go lucky guy when calling recreational and want to have fun. Give each other crap etc. It's a release to get away from the stress of stoppin an SOB from killin again and facing the producer. We have to answer and clean up any mistakes not drive away wavin. It's not going to happen otherwise. My reputation, career, etc. is on the line.
A good recreational caller obsorbs what he sees in the field and applies it accordingly. Knows his rifle and his ability to shoot. Understands coyote dynamics thru out the year. Has good hunting instincts. Numbers mean little to me as they can be swayed by resources, job, etc. You have to be out there to learn but some can learn much quicker than others. There's no black and white deal on this.
Cal did have one with his bipod on his rifle backwards!! ![[Razz]](tongue.gif)
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Krustyklimber
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posted August 19, 2010 12:11 PM
Randy,
We're sorta of on the same train of thought, but obviously (to me) riding in different cars.
Whereas success is productiive to one's learning curve, a lack of success is exponentially counterproductive.
Stand for stand, when coyotes do show up, I feel there's equality in learned "knowledge" regardless of location.
I don't learn any more knowledge from coyotes in the desert, I just see more of them, so I learn more in terms of volume.
But when none show up, at such a disproportionate rate, it can be detrimental to what has been learned. This can undermine one's confidence, and removes the reinforcement of theory/ideas.
So, to me, the guy that can learn to produce with regularity, in a place that's more difficult, stands out.
In that respect I believe that the coyotes here in the jungles of western Washington have taught me more, in terms of value.
But, at the same time, it "costs" me more to chase them.
Which is better, a handful of hundred dollar bills, that you have to give most of back... or a bucket of pennies that you get to keep?
I dunno. ![[Confused]](confused.gif)
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Rich
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posted August 19, 2010 01:25 PM
OK, even though I promised to keep my lips sealed, I am about to give one of Randy Roede's hot secrets away. When he gets within 100 yards of his chosen stand, he simply turns around and walks in backwards. Why? Well hell, the coyotes see his tracks and think that he just left to have lunch or something. There ya go boys, the secret is out now.
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