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Topic: Steve, Rich, Wiley, others- canine stress-
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trappnman
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posted June 30, 2003 06:07 PM
Wiley ,I talked to you concerning a coyote that expired shortly after noosing her to put a collar on. Your opinion was that since she was a lactating female, she was severely stressed and that was why she died. That makes sense. I can say that a lactating female fights a trap much harder than normal.
But today, checked a trap at 9 am. Temps low 60s, humidy 80% but cool. This fox was dead and bloated already. Damn - that was a $100 bill I tossed in the weeds. This fox was a male- and in good shape. I concede he could have been caught at 9:30 yesterday morning, which would explain it-
The set was in the open. Is this typical grey behavior in open locations? Was this a fluke? Or the norm?
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Steve Craig
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posted June 30, 2003 08:42 PM
Just my guess, but I feel that grey foxes tend to fight a trap much harder,pound for pound than just about any animal. They are also just like a mink, very high strung. I was releasing a summer caught grey once that couldnt have been in the trap more than a couple of hours. Took all of 2 minutes to release him and he ran about 20 yards, turned and dropped graveyard dead on the spot. I think their system just overloads. With greys, I feel it is the norm.
FWIW
Steve
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Rich Higgins
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posted June 30, 2003 09:41 PM
Trappnman, I can't speak to the fox question but I will second Wiley's opinion concerning the lactating bitch. Eclampsia is not uncommon and the symptoms include extreme nervousness, trembling and panting. Stress can accelerate the symptoms to include muscle incoordination, twitching, and I believe excessive drooling. They seize and death can result very quickly. Did you observe any of this?EDIT forgot to mention that eclampsia is also called milk fever and a large litter can suck the calcium right out of the mother
[ June 30, 2003, 09:45 PM: Message edited by: Rich Higgins ]
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trappnman
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posted July 01, 2003 04:31 AM
Thanks for the thoughts. I didn't realize greys were that high strung. I get a few every year during trapping season, but those are usually in coon sets in deep woods and are ok.
The openness of the are might have been a big factor- causing the fox to stree further.
The coyote was panting when we arrived, but I wasn't too concerned since that too was early morning and cool.
Live and learn, as always LOL
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Leonard
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posted July 01, 2003 04:43 PM
Never done any trapping. Gray fox, in my areas are second class citizens. If they don't have some means of escape, such as boulders or decent size trees, they won't last long, out in the open.
So, I'm thinking of the stark terror felt by a gray that is in a trap, can't get away; and coyotes everywhere! It seems surely enough to give a healthy animal a heart attack.
Good hnting. LB
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Wiley E
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posted July 01, 2003 11:29 PM
T'man,
My experience with gray fox is limited. We don't have them here.
In addition to Rich Higgin's lactation requirement comments, which sound reasonable BTW, the other aspect of the wet bitch is her maternal instinct to get back to her pups. It's well known in ADC circles that nothing fights a trap like a wet bitch.
~SH~
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Rich
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posted July 03, 2003 04:19 AM
Many moons ago, the late Wayne Soper taught me how to snare coyotes for the live market. His method involved a lot of snaring in thick cover such as weed patches or CRP fields. I had this idea of snaring them out of corn fields in summer. I told my friend Monte Dodson about my idea, and he told me at the time about coyotes being found dead in traps during hot weather. I never did get in to the live catch thing because I could find no legal way to do that in Iowa. I did trap a few coyotes one spring (month of may) for a lady who was losing lambs to coyotes. I did find one wet bitch dead in the trap. I had never thought about the bitch with pups being more of a trap fighter than other coyotes, but it seems reasonable that they may well be. I know that it seems to me that old males fight the trap almost non stop during winter trapping. ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
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