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Topic: Eastern? Western? different slant
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Jay Nistetter
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posted March 13, 2005 09:14 PM
If a Western coyote was transplanted back East and an Eastern dog was transplanted out west, which do you suppose would adapt quicker?
Oh! Oh! Pick me! I know this one!
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Understanding the coyote is not as important as knowing where they are.
I usually let the fur prime up before I leave 'em lay.
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Leonard
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posted March 13, 2005 11:48 PM
What a guy! Waits 'til they are prime, to leave 'em lay, while not wearing camo and calling from the road, beside his white PU, utilizing his pistola grande.
Hey, is this a trick question?
Good hunting. LB
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Tim Behle
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posted March 14, 2005 04:47 AM
Hey Leonard,
How many words are we not allowed to say? It looks like Jay knows one or two more than I do.
Hey Jay, if you tell me those other words, I'll take you hunting on the ****** ****** *********** , over around ***** , Az.
Sound fair?
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Byron South
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posted March 14, 2005 06:14 AM
Jay,
I'll bet the Eastern coyote would just love it out West. You know with them Western coyotes being so easy ![[Wink]](wink.gif) and all, Im sure he would adapt quickly ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif) .
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Leonard
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posted March 14, 2005 10:18 AM
Tim, he's just making it up.
So, I went in and counted the banned word list for you:
1) a word for sex.
2) describing two different body parts.
3) names of two towns and a word for a sovereign nation.
4) word for native American.
5) two names for same tribe.
6) that name, spelled backwards; (thanks to Jay)
7) a native american word.
That's it! Ten banned words. Not major censorship, in my view.
Good hunting. LB ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
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Jay Nistetter
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posted March 14, 2005 11:05 AM
Yah-ta-hey Tim, Blood Brother of the Nations.
Hint:
Eastern Coyotes would be too Hot.
Western Coyotes would be too Cold.
Eastern Coyotes would be too Shy.
Western Coyotes would be too Bold.
Eastern Coyotes would be too Big.
Western Coyotes would be too Tiny.
Eastern Coyotes would be too Quiet.
Western Coyotes would be too Whiney.
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Leonard
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posted March 14, 2005 11:54 AM
Jay, you think like me; ya got your eastern coyotes and ya got your western coyotes. Period.
However, some folks point out that there is another place, (not sure where it starts or where it ends) that is neither east or west. The locals call it: "the Midwest".
Is their slant(s) more eastern or more western?
Good hunting. LB
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Jay Nistetter
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posted March 14, 2005 01:03 PM
More misaligned I would think, Leonard.
If I can call it in, it must be a Western Coyotes.
If it has no idea what a wounded rabbit sounds like, runs and hides, it must be an Eastern Coyote.
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Plumbrich
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posted March 14, 2005 03:12 PM
I have never hunted a western coyote. I did live next to a guy that knew a guy that was kin to a girl that dated a guy that hunted western coyotes. So between that and staying at a motel eight last night I think I'm qualified to give an answer on the debate.
I don't think there is a difference in the two other than their size and this could be from climate to the amount of food availible.
I don't think it's the coyote that is smarter I think it's the way we have to hunt them.
Most of the western guys at the motel eight say a typical day of calling is driving out to the desert set up call for 30 min ,move 1/4 to 1/2 mile, and call again. They continue to do this for most of the day. If this 10 sqaure mile grid isn't producing coyotes they will move to another area and start over. Now through the course of the day they have called and had access to several thousand acres. Should be at least one coyote in that much ground.
My typical southeastern day begins.
Drive 20 miles to first farm ,200 acres there, make one stand call 30min. Then I drive 25 miles south east to next farm with access there is 150 acres there set up call 30min. ,leave there drive 15 miles to another farm access 500 acres make two sets. Then drive 30 miles to next farm with access 250 acres. So on and so on. Get the picture?
Here we do not cover the ground MOST westerners get to cover. When I call a small farm I would love to be able to call the next two farms over but I can't. I have to scout then scout again trying to figure out when the coyotes are coming through this piece of property or in ear shot of my calling. I believe a lot of coyotes are called in the east but never seen thick woods rolling hills bad setups etc.
Hopefully I will get to see for myself next year. I will be making the trip to Globe AZ. I always wanted to see what was on the other side of that muddy creek anyway.
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Rich Higgins
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posted March 14, 2005 03:34 PM
OK,Jay, I'm going to explain this to you one more time.
The "Eastern" coyote is simply a "Western" immigrant. It is not smarter than it's western relative. On the contrary, it is much less intelligent. The "Western" coyotes were smart and strong enough to defend their respective territories, forcing the weaker and less intelligent coyotes to migrate east. These substandard and mentally deficient coyotes continued to populate virgin eastern territory, growing large and fat on the ubiquitous and abundant roadkill they encountered in all states east of the Big Muddy. Timid and weak, they learned to remain in heavy cover, venturing forth only under the cover of darkness. They flourished in the absence of knowledgeable and skilled predator hunters.
In the meantime, the heavily exploited "Western" coyote, pressured at every turn by the worlds best predator callers who removed the less fit, less intelligent and less educated coyotes in the first three months of each season, were rapidly evolving into a species of "Super Coyotes" due to the fact that only the very best of the species survived to breed each year, passing along those wonderful qualities to each years litters. This has all transpired in only fifty years. It is my prediction that the "Western" coyote will soon develope an opposable thumb. Primitive weapons will shortly follow and it will only be a matter of time before they learn to mimic the sound of a crisp twenty rustling in the breeze or a Bud Light top being popped.
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Leonard
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posted March 14, 2005 05:27 PM
in less than two years, they will evolve to the point where they lose their legs and slither through the grass, like a snake, but at 35 MPH.
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Greenside
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posted March 14, 2005 05:47 PM
Plumbrich,
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Here we do not cover the ground MOST westerners get to cover. When I call a small farm I would love to be able to call the next two farms over but I can't. I have to scout then scout again trying to figure out when the coyotes are coming through this piece of property or in ear shot of my calling.
Crank up the call a little and you will be calling the two farms next door. ![[Razz]](tongue.gif)
Dennis
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Tim Behle
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posted March 15, 2005 06:57 PM
I can't believe I haven't slipped up and stumbled on #2 just yet.
But I seemed to be missing the name of the other town.
It's not tecolote is it? That means Owl in Spanish, but be very careful if you say it to a Mexican girl. Saying it too slow can get you slapped.
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Leonard
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posted March 15, 2005 07:58 PM
If you typed it, and you didn't get asteriks, I guess that's not it? Hint; starts with a P and ends with a *.
Good hunting. LB
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Greenside
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posted March 16, 2005 05:20 AM
Guessed wrong on that town.
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Cal Taylor
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posted March 16, 2005 09:56 AM
I'm not sure about the whole eastern/western thing. I haven't been there.
But a friend of mine has....
He went to Tennessee for a few days to work on some coyotes for another friend of ours. He didn't seem to have any problems calling and killing a few coyotes. His success rates close to the same as I would expect most areas here at the same time of year. Hmmmmm...........
Maybe its not the coyotes?
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Leonard
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posted March 16, 2005 11:06 AM
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Maybe its not the coyotes?
Cal Taylor
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keekee
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posted March 16, 2005 08:20 PM
Its not the coyotes? Little more detail Cal?
Brent
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posted March 16, 2005 08:29 PM
LOL That’s funny! Hell I think about 90% of the coyotes running around in the east were shipped over the BIG muddy by western trappers for the live market. The eastern boys seem to like to pen up coyotes and run them in circles with hounds more than they do calling them. Any coyote that escapes that life of harassment would probably be a bit weary of everything that moved. LOL
Good hunting
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posted March 17, 2005 08:35 AM
Rich's post gave me the key to this whole thing. Those Eastern Coyotes haven't adjusted to the time change. After all Arizona does not observe daylight saving time.
You just need to stay on the stand three hours longer.
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Buck
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posted March 17, 2005 03:40 PM
Well to begin with , if it was a Northeastern coyote, they don't have an easy time here in Nova Scotia Canada. We can get 2-3 feet of new snow they have to contend with and at -25 F, there are not many easy meals around. To survive, they must be big,(to get through the snow and kill deer), learn to hunt intelligently with 2 or 3 partners, and also be healthy, just to make it through the winter. I think if it was a northeastern coyote it would kill and eat it's smaller cousins the same way the wolves do.
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Leonard
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posted March 17, 2005 04:16 PM
Snowpack in the Sierra's is about eight feet, with twenty inches of new snow. We see -25º frequently, but we still have those runt coyotes.
Good hunting. LB
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Cal Taylor
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posted March 17, 2005 05:07 PM
Great point leonard,
And many places in Wyoming, Montana, and Colorado that are the same. But apparently there is no denying that the Northeastern coyotes are bigger. I assume the central and southern coyotes are more on size with ours?
Brent, I was just pointing out that a good caller from Wyoming went to Tennessee and killed coyotes with about the same success that I would have expected for this part of Wyoming at the same time of year. Maybe the coyotes are about the same, or maybe he just got lucky?
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keekee
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posted March 17, 2005 07:42 PM
I will agree Cal. I dont think the coyotes are diffrent. But the areas here in the East are. Alot of how successful you are depends on the area your hunting here. If you know were the coyotes are then you can kill them. I thing the big diffrence in East v/s West is just the numbers of coyotes. And the terain your hunting. Farm land is alot easyer to hunt that thick river bottoms or clear cuts.
And pressure! If the coyotes are getting alot of pressure then that are hard to hunt. Private land is the way to go for sure. There are alot of things that weigh in on things like this. I love to get new spots that dont get called and I no there are coyotes there.
I dont think that the coyotes are any diffrent other tan size, but I do think alot of it has to do with the area you have to hunt.
Give me some more info if you can. How many stands did he make. How many call in? How many kills?
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