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Author Topic: Predator calling association? Gerald Stewart Knows what it's all about Member # 162 posted February 16, 2005 06:38 PM                   I am somewhat embarressed to have to ask this question since I am suppossedly an involved figure in the industry. Are there any predator calling associations that exsist on a national scale? You guys out west have had successful state organizations for quite some time but I can not remember any that lasted any length of time on a national scale. Why do you think that is? Posts: 419 | From: Waco,Tx | Registered: Mar 2003  |  IP: Logged Leonard HMFIC Member # 2 posted February 16, 2005 07:35 PM                       Kinda funny, Gerald, but there is an Organization called The National Varmint Callers Association! However, they all are located down in Orange County, California. Maybe there should be some sort of Federation of Predator Calling Clubs? Good hunting. LB -------------------- EL BEE Knows It All and Done It All. Don't piss me off! Posts: 31450 | From: Upland, CA | Registered: Jan 2003  |  IP: Logged Z Knows what it's all about Member # 303 posted February 16, 2005 07:56 PM                       Gerald, I kind of look at it as "is the glass half full or half empty". If we had a national association would we draw more attention to ourselves from the animal rights activists. I know it is not good to advertise calling contests unless within the framework of your local organization or on a website like this. I don't know if a national association would do us more good or harm. Just my $.02 worth. Posts: 51 | From: Bluffdale, UT | Registered: Feb 2004  |  IP: Logged onecoyote Knows what it's all about Member # 129 posted February 16, 2005 08:11 PM                   It's been thought of, I think it would be a good thing. Clubs across the country could belong to one big club. One with political power, something I think we could use? -------------------- Great minds discuss ideas.....Average minds discuss events.....Small minds discuss people.....Eleanor Roosevelt. Posts: 893 | From: Walker Lake Nevada. | Registered: Feb 2003  |  IP: Logged Alaskan Yoter Knows what it's all about Member # 169 posted February 16, 2005 09:33 PM                   National Callers Association Hey it works for the trappers Todd Posts: 235 | From: Wasilla, Alaska | Registered: Mar 2003  |  IP: Logged Cal Taylor Knows what it's all about Member # 199 posted February 17, 2005 05:30 AM                    I don't know of such an organization, but it is long overdue. Rather than gaining unpopular attention, as someone else stated, at this juncture I think it would do the opposite. A united voice is a powerful tool. I nominate Leonard and Gerald as President and Vice President. They seem to have a pretty good handle on things and are both pretty level headed. Where do I send my dues? Since I don't have anywhwere to send them I nominate Danny as secretary treasurer, and put the National office in Carrizozo, N.M. [ February 17, 2005, 05:35 AM: Message edited by: Cal Taylor ] -------------------- Democracy is two wolves and a lamb deciding what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote. FoxPro Field Staff Member Posts: 1069 | From: Wyoming | Registered: May 2003  |  IP: Logged Leonard HMFIC Member # 2 posted February 17, 2005 06:52 AM                       The politics of predator hunting organizations is as hardball as the world will ever see. Ya know, it's truly like HERDING CATS! So before we nominate, (I mean, appoint) Cal Taylor as Sargeant at Arms.... Understand, you will actually have a need to bare arms! Good hunting. LB -------------------- EL BEE Knows It All and Done It All. Don't piss me off! Posts: 31450 | From: Upland, CA | Registered: Jan 2003  |  IP: Logged onecoyote Knows what it's all about Member # 129 posted February 17, 2005 07:29 AM                   I have a saloon right next to my motel, don't give me any money lol. All joking aside, I think the idea is a good one, How to go about it would be another story. -------------------- Great minds discuss ideas.....Average minds discuss events.....Small minds discuss people.....Eleanor Roosevelt. Posts: 893 | From: Walker Lake Nevada. | Registered: Feb 2003  |  IP: Logged Doggitter Knows what it's all about Member # 489 posted February 17, 2005 06:03 PM                    Sounds like a fine idea to mre also. Posts: 273 | From: Oregon rain forest | Registered: Dec 2004  |  IP: Logged Byron South Knows what it's all about Member # 213 posted February 18, 2005 06:29 AM                       Thanks for stepping up Gerald, Leonard, Danny and Cal. When is our first meeting . All joking aside, I believe it would be a good thing to have. This way we can all have a voice with at least a little stroke like the trappers do. There are several smaller clubs that could consolidate into a national organization, and still retain their local efforts. With such a network of people we could be aware of issues that effect predator hunting as they arise and have the political clout to deal with it. If we don't join together as others have in the shooting sports then someday soon the things we take for granted today will be gone. Gerald Stewart would make a great president of such an organization. His personality and ability to deal with people coupled with his credintials in the sport makes him a natural, Kinda like what Charleton Heston did for the NRA . Byron [ February 18, 2005, 06:42 AM: Message edited by: Byron South ] -------------------- "Coming to the Call" predator hunting videos. Volumes I, II, III and IV. Order two or more and pay no S&H www.comingtothecall.com Posts: 313 | From: Texas | Registered: Jun 2003  |  IP: Logged nd coyote killer HUNTMASTER PRO STAFF Member # 40 posted February 18, 2005 07:51 AM                   Wow it's really great to see so many people volunteer for the offices in a organization like this I would love to see it happen. A national meeting every year maybe a big hunt for those of us that like the competetion! the possibilities are endless Where do i send my dues and i vote the first national meeting is at Cals place i just can't get enough of that country! -------------------- "Sure are cocky for a starving pilgrim" - Bear Claw Posts: 385 | From: On a hill | Registered: Jan 2003  |  IP: Logged Bryan J Cap and Trade Weenie Member # 106 posted February 18, 2005 08:56 AM                    It sounds like a good thing to me. A national organization could do great things for the sport. In my experience locally many will pick up a call occasionally but there are few die-hard predator callers in my area. I can think of one maybe two guys other than myself in town that would give up hunting for a rack to go out calling. To most calling is something that happens when the game seasons end. These people might join but would not be willing to do any work to keep things rolling but will be the first to gripe when they think things are not right. .02 Posts: 599 | From: Utah | Registered: Feb 2003  |  IP: Logged Cdog911 "There are some ideas so absurd only an intellectual could believe them."--George Orwell. Member # 7 posted February 18, 2005 10:09 AM                       nd coyote killer, I, too, am impressed with the rate that these guys are stepping up for the big jobs. Then again, this medium makes it difficult to vote them into office by the normal means. You know how that works... you sit there with your mouth shut until your eyes go crossed and your hair's standing on end. Finally, when you can't stand it anymore, you get up and leave to take a leak and when you get back, you're PRESIDENT! Congratulations. -------------------- I am only one. But still, I am one. I cannot do everything, but still, I can do something; and, because I cannot do everything, I will not refuse to do something that I can do. Posts: 5438 | From: The gun-lovin', gun-friendly wild, wild west | Registered: Jan 2003  |  IP: Logged Leonard HMFIC Member # 2 posted February 18, 2005 11:19 AM                       I'm holding out for King -------------------- EL BEE Knows It All and Done It All. Don't piss me off! Posts: 31450 | From: Upland, CA | Registered: Jan 2003  |  IP: Logged DAA Utah/Promoted WESTERN REGIONAL Hunt Director Member # 11 posted February 18, 2005 01:13 PM                       In lieu of such an organization, I've been supporting the state trappers association (UTA), which in turn supports the national association, for quite awhile. I've never set a trap in my life, and living where I do, with the schedule I have, I probably never will (would LOVE to if I could). But, these guys are the best thing going for predator hunting in general, in my opinion. Most of the UTA guys I've met, are pretty active callers, as well as trappers. - DAA -------------------- "Oh yeah, they're gonna talk to you, and talk to you, and talk to you about individual freedom, but they see a free individual, it's gonna scare 'em." -- George Hanson, Easy Rider, 1969. Rocky Mountain Varmint Hunter Posts: 2676 | From: Salt Lake City, UT | Registered: Jan 2003  |  IP: Logged Gerald Stewart Knows what it's all about Member # 162 posted February 18, 2005 02:17 PM                   Hey trust me, I was not running for office. I don't have any movies behind me on a par of Ben Hur or the Ten Commandments. I have done a couple that I felt were kind of like Planet of the Apes though. Could an organization like that be as effective if it zeroed in on only one segment of the calling sports or would it be better if it was called the Wildlife Callers Association? You then could have room at the table for a wider range of supporters. Would that dilute the energy and effort to protect the least of those present at the table? What do you think? Posts: 419 | From: Waco,Tx | Registered: Mar 2003  |  IP: Logged Leonard HMFIC Member # 2 posted February 18, 2005 02:45 PM                       You mean like crow hunters? What else is there? Ducks & geese, Turkeys? [ February 18, 2005, 02:45 PM: Message edited by: Leonard ] -------------------- EL BEE Knows It All and Done It All. Don't piss me off! Posts: 31450 | From: Upland, CA | Registered: Jan 2003  |  IP: Logged Cal Taylor Knows what it's all about Member # 199 posted February 18, 2005 03:14 PM                    Hey ND, My little part of the world is a secret! Lets keep it that way. I would only be interested in a predator calling association. No fowl hunters need apply. Crow and turkey hunters probably already have an association anyway. -------------------- Democracy is two wolves and a lamb deciding what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote. FoxPro Field Staff Member Posts: 1069 | From: Wyoming | Registered: May 2003  |  IP: Logged Cdog911 "There are some ideas so absurd only an intellectual could believe them."--George Orwell. Member # 7 posted February 18, 2005 04:12 PM                       Gerald, Such an idea sounds good in priciple, but it takes a lot of ongoing maintenance to ensure that the organization stays true to its roots. I submit the Kansas Fur Harvester's Association as an example. At it's inception, charter members the likes of F. Robert Henderson and Major Boddicker, chose that name specifically because it was their intent to represent anyone and everyone who held some stake in the fur industry - trappers, callers, furbuyers, supply dealers, fur farmers, and the like. A few years back, when the last remaining vestiges of the original guard went their merry way, the "new guys", in their infinite wisdom, created what they affectionately called the "Trapper's Hall of Fame". And, I saw the writing on the wall. Today, my career doesn't allow me to run a trapline in accordance with the law, so I don't. I focus nearly all my fur harvesting efforts toward calling which, in my somewhat informed opinion, is growing in popularity by leaps and bounds while trapping numbers remain dormant to nominally decreasing each year. Because of these factors, I've decided to focus my writing on calling and let the diehard trappers write their own copy. Because I don't write anything on trapping anymore, I've caught some grief from people that used to treat me with some semblance of respect. They think I've abandoned them now, when quite the vice versa is more true. They've stated publicly that they have no intention of refocusing their organization on calling as they're now a trappers-only group with a misnomer for a name. I wholeheartedly support any group that brings consumptive users to the table in the spirit of unifying the various allied interests. But, it'll take a lot of extra work and the right people to blend the egos across the board. You seem to be an effective diplomat with the right amount of name recognition. The bathroom is over there------> -------------------- I am only one. But still, I am one. I cannot do everything, but still, I can do something; and, because I cannot do everything, I will not refuse to do something that I can do. Posts: 5438 | From: The gun-lovin', gun-friendly wild, wild west | Registered: Jan 2003  |  IP: Logged Gerald Stewart Knows what it's all about Member # 162 posted February 18, 2005 04:18 PM                   Well, maybe there is strength in numbers especially when you zero in on one aspect of all types of wildlife. Example: I would not be interested in defending high fences but surely would be interested in defending the use of recordings for deer hunting with a Wildlife Calling Association. The National Turkey Federation probably has never championed the use of electronic callers for turkey although it is legal in a number of states. It should be available everywhere. The organization could have potential factions within it's own ranks. The Turkey example would be one. I would visualize the organization defending both the use of mouth blown and recordings. Another major emphasis would be rules and regs on what can be called and when, not just how. Are there other organizations out there that have vigorously defending the calling of predators other than the NTA? I would think that an organization like that would need to excersise good judgement as too whether or not it would be a good thing to allow the use of electronics on certain species. The waterfowl regs are what they are for a good reason. Just some more food for thought. [ February 18, 2005, 04:22 PM: Message edited by: Gerald Stewart ] Posts: 419 | From: Waco,Tx | Registered: Mar 2003  |  IP: Logged Gerald Stewart Knows what it's all about Member # 162 posted February 18, 2005 04:27 PM                   Cdog911, that is some interesting input. The egos statement alone is enough to make me want to avoid the management responsibilities. There are a few of those in this business. [ February 18, 2005, 04:28 PM: Message edited by: Gerald Stewart ] Posts: 419 | From: Waco,Tx | Registered: Mar 2003  |  IP: Logged Gerald Stewart Knows what it's all about Member # 162 posted February 18, 2005 04:40 PM                   Hey Leonard, how about Deer, Turkey, Waterfowl, Bears, Predators, Moose, Elk and Crow. Would the organization need to be inclusive of non hunters who want to call for Photography, research or other personal reasons. Are you aware that it is deemed harrassment to call or photograph wildife in many of our federal properties now. Would that issue be one that would come under the scope of the organizations intent? What if chicken growers became too strong in the organization and demanded that it champion the calling of hawks and owls for harvesting......wow this may get out of hand.....never mind! Just kidding of course.... I think a Predator Calling Association is sounding better now that I think about it. [ February 18, 2005, 04:41 PM: Message edited by: Gerald Stewart ] Posts: 419 | From: Waco,Tx | Registered: Mar 2003  |  IP: Logged Yellerdog Knows what it's all about Member # 356 posted February 18, 2005 06:11 PM                    Sounds like you've got a good handle on it Gerald! I'll certainly join. I nominate Skinner 2 to head the Michigan chapter. I'm sure his ego won't get in the way. Right Skinner 2. Lee Smith Member, Michigan Predator Callers Association [ February 18, 2005, 06:12 PM: Message edited by: Yellerdog ] -------------------- Lee Smith Remember, we meet at dawn. Posts: 59 | From: Southeastern Michigan | Registered: Jul 2004  |  IP: Logged Leonard HMFIC Member # 2 posted February 18, 2005 06:19 PM                       The first order of business it a committee to do a complete survey of the various states and compile a list of existing organizations. Then, it needs to be determined if there is a desire, on the part of these Clubs to form some sort of relationship. Still seeking volunteers. LB -------------------- EL BEE Knows It All and Done It All. Don't piss me off! Posts: 31450 | From: Upland, CA | Registered: Jan 2003  |  IP: Logged Gerald Stewart Knows what it's all about Member # 162 posted February 18, 2005 06:33 PM                   If one chooses to go forward, there would be quite a bit of effort to assess the viability and the potential for this to become a reality. Don't shove me off from shore just yet. I did not ask these things because I was contemplating doing something. I was just thinking about my future direction in this industry and wanted to brainstorm many possibilities. This only being a remote one. I am currently not under contract with HS and have tested the water on a couple of different possible career moves. HS and I are still talking and trying to hammer something out. I have organized events and activities on a much smaller scale than something like this and I know what it took in energy and focus to do those. This would be a really big task that would need a good team to pull off effectively. I am just trying to solicit some thoughts about the if's, what's, where's and when's that would be neccessary to tackle something like this. That's all. I'm not running for office. Posts: 419 | From: Waco,Tx | Registered: Mar 2003  |  IP: Logged

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