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Author Topic: Jaeger Data Rich Higgins unknown comic posted September 14, 2005 02:11 PM              Talked to Mike last week. They are in the process of downloading the data from the GPS collars now. It will take some time to analyze and animate. He did say that they were astonished by GPS data from last April. An alpha male was monitored at the den. The alpha female was located two miles away and apparently napping, motionless for an extended period. The male headed east on a straight line, nonstop, twenty miles to an agricultral area, apparently for a drink of water, where he remained for a short time and then returned in a straight, nonstop line to where the female had been napping. When the male was about halfway there, the female departed for the exact same place that the male went, arriving after he had departed on the return trip. Their paths did not cross, although they passed fairly close to each other. After she had her drink? the female immediately returned to the den in a straight line. The head scratcher is how did they communicate their intentions from that distance? How much energy did they expend to travel 40 miles round trip in so short a time? First and foremost, WHY? IP: Logged NASA Knows what it's all about Member # 177 posted September 14, 2005 02:31 PM                   I've been looking forward to this. Can't wait for the analysis. Posts: 1168 | From: Typical White Person | Registered: Apr 2003  |  IP: Logged 2dogs Knows what it's all about Member # 649 posted September 14, 2005 03:56 PM                   Rich, Pretty interesting info. Can't wait to read more. Thanks, for sharing. Side note; Suppose they had a "routine down"? Like how a dog, waits. By the door at a specific time of day. For their master to come home from work. Posts: 1034 | From: central Iowa | Registered: Apr 2005  |  IP: Logged Lonny PANTS ON THE GROUND Member # 19 posted September 14, 2005 04:16 PM                   I have never been on the INEL site, where if I remember this study is being done? I have hunted antelope near there and even in August there is enough water in that country to make sitting over water holes difficult to really pinpoint where antelope will drink. I can't imagine why those coyotes would go 20 miles one way for a drink. Especially in April when there would be more water available. Maybe the INEL site is devoid of water for the most part? What do you think Rich? Posts: 1209 | From: Lewiston, Idaho USA | Registered: Jan 2003  |  IP: Logged Greenside seems to know what he is talking about Member # 10 posted September 16, 2005 12:34 PM                   How long did it take to make the forty mile round trip? Edit: any mention of the wind direction? Dennis [ September 16, 2005, 01:00 PM: Message edited by: Greenside ] Posts: 719 | From: IA | Registered: Jan 2003  |  IP: Logged DAA Utah/Promoted WESTERN REGIONAL Hunt Director Member # 11 posted September 16, 2005 03:41 PM                       Just noticed this. Rich, I can't wait to hear/see it all as it becomes available and you are able to share. Thanks! - DAA -------------------- "Oh yeah, they're gonna talk to you, and talk to you, and talk to you about individual freedom, but they see a free individual, it's gonna scare 'em." -- George Hanson, Easy Rider, 1969. Rocky Mountain Varmint Hunter Posts: 2676 | From: Salt Lake City, UT | Registered: Jan 2003  |  IP: Logged Rich Higgins unknown comic posted September 16, 2005 05:57 PM              I will talk to Mike again on Monday and will ask him any and all of the questions that you guys ask here on the board. Dave, he isn't sure when all the data will be analyzed. When it is done they will transfer all the animations to a couple of CDs and give them to the two of us when we go to Logan. How cool is that? IP: Logged canine Knows what it's all about Member # 687 posted September 16, 2005 07:37 PM                    interesting.. what time of the day did this occur? Posts: 162 | From: ohio | Registered: Jul 2005  |  IP: Logged DAA Utah/Promoted WESTERN REGIONAL Hunt Director Member # 11 posted September 16, 2005 09:29 PM                       Very, VERY cool! - DAA -------------------- "Oh yeah, they're gonna talk to you, and talk to you, and talk to you about individual freedom, but they see a free individual, it's gonna scare 'em." -- George Hanson, Easy Rider, 1969. Rocky Mountain Varmint Hunter Posts: 2676 | From: Salt Lake City, UT | Registered: Jan 2003  |  IP: Logged NASA Knows what it's all about Member # 177 posted September 17, 2005 12:48 AM                   Rich, you already know how interested I am, right? Posts: 1168 | From: Typical White Person | Registered: Apr 2003  |  IP: Logged Rich 2,000th post PAKMAN Member # 112 posted September 17, 2005 05:38 AM                       I have to wonder why those coyotes didn't choose a den about 19&3/4 miles closer to the water hole. -------------------- If you call the coyotes in close, you won't NEED a high dollar range finder. Posts: 2854 | From: Iowa | Registered: Feb 2003  |  IP: Logged Greenside seems to know what he is talking about Member # 10 posted September 17, 2005 07:28 AM                   Rich C, That also has me wondering. Apparent drink of water? Was that actually the closest source? Could a food source be ruled out? What was the napping site? Elevated sentry post? Were there pups involed at the time? How long was the male at the den before before he made the journey After returing from the drink how long did the male stay at the napping site. After the nap did he go to the den, or get another drink? How long did the female stay at the den after she got back from the journey? Was there communication between the pair or could it just be random chance, sort of like me bumping into my wife at the mall? Slim chance but it happened. Looking forward to seeing all the data put together, and the conclusions. Dennis Posts: 719 | From: IA | Registered: Jan 2003  |  IP: Logged Rich 2,000th post PAKMAN Member # 112 posted September 17, 2005 07:47 AM                       Greenside, This is interesting stuff for certain. Maybe more to the story than what we have seen so far. -------------------- If you call the coyotes in close, you won't NEED a high dollar range finder. Posts: 2854 | From: Iowa | Registered: Feb 2003  |  IP: Logged Greenside seems to know what he is talking about Member # 10 posted September 17, 2005 08:08 AM                   It sure does raise alot of questions. Like any subordinates making the journey with the alphas? Maybe they weren't napping and were just cleaning out a secondary den. Did the female travel on yestedays male scent trail to the water? Could it have been just some sort of territorial check? After a twenty mile trip, wouldn't they be thristy again? I know if I walked my son's dog twenty miles, the first thing he'd go for would be water. How many drinks a day does a coyote need? Dennis [ September 17, 2005, 08:21 AM: Message edited by: Greenside ] Posts: 719 | From: IA | Registered: Jan 2003  |  IP: Logged 2dogs Knows what it's all about Member # 649 posted September 17, 2005 08:20 AM                   I keep getting drawn back to this post..[like a moth to a light]. Seen an narrated movie, many moons ago. It was about coyotes of course. Shown a couple of different ways, on how they retain fluids. Shown one coyote, [plucking] the spines out of a cactus. Then eating the wet pulp & sucking the juices. Another coyote, eating grasshoppers. According to the narrator, for the protein & juices. Posts: 1034 | From: central Iowa | Registered: Apr 2005  |  IP: Logged NASA Knows what it's all about Member # 177 posted September 17, 2005 10:59 AM                   Ooops, wrong thread. [ September 17, 2005, 03:07 PM: Message edited by: NASA ] Posts: 1168 | From: Typical White Person | Registered: Apr 2003  |  IP: Logged 2dogs Knows what it's all about Member # 649 posted September 17, 2005 08:21 PM                   5mph roughly walking, give or take. 4hrs to go 20-miles, then another 4hrs coming back. 16hrs left over, to rest & hunt. Perhaps that long distance water hole, offered a better/fresher water source. ----------- Interesting, in winter snowfly. Patterns I've noticed, are irregular. As compared to late winter/early spring. When paired-up coyotes, tend to be more readable. In their bedding times & locations. Posts: 1034 | From: central Iowa | Registered: Apr 2005  |  IP: Logged 2dogs Knows what it's all about Member # 649 posted October 01, 2005 04:02 AM                   Rich, Anymore info to share? Posts: 1034 | From: central Iowa | Registered: Apr 2005  |  IP: Logged Rich Higgins unknown comic posted October 01, 2005 08:41 AM              Not yet, Kirby. IP: Logged 2dogs Knows what it's all about Member # 649 posted October 01, 2005 04:00 PM                   10-4, Thanks Posts: 1034 | From: central Iowa | Registered: Apr 2005  |  IP: Logged Kokopelli SENIOR DISCOUNT & Dispenser of Sage Advice Member # 633 posted October 02, 2005 06:10 PM                      Could the Jaeger data be used to prove or disprove the usefulness (or uselessness) of the 'solar/lunar tables' that predict animal activity?? -------------------- And lo, the Light of the Trump shown upon the Darkness and the Darkness could not comprehend it. Posts: 7594 | From: Under a wandering star | Registered: Apr 2005  |  IP: Logged Rich Higgins unknown comic posted October 03, 2005 07:15 AM              Kokpelli, that is one of the things that I will be very interested in looking at. The animations will trace every movement the coyote makes for 6 weeks. That should be sufficient to see any spikes in activity or inactivity, at least for that particular "snapshot in time." IP: Logged Kokopelli SENIOR DISCOUNT & Dispenser of Sage Advice Member # 633 posted October 03, 2005 12:10 PM                      I've never had much faith in the tables myself, however, one of my hunting partners swears that when the moon (regardless of phase) is directly ovehead or directly underfoot on the other side of the earth is 'the time' to hunt or fish. I don't completly buy into the theory, but there have been a couple of times that it seemed to be pretty accurate. -------------------- And lo, the Light of the Trump shown upon the Darkness and the Darkness could not comprehend it. Posts: 7594 | From: Under a wandering star | Registered: Apr 2005  |  IP: Logged DAA Utah/Promoted WESTERN REGIONAL Hunt Director Member # 11 posted October 12, 2005 03:41 PM                       Rich, I was just reading an old thread from November of 2002 that I had archived. In it, at one point, you said: "If anyone is doing research with GPS tracking, I'll find them. Imagine the potential, if at the conclusion of a study with the equipment still in place, the researchers permitted gov't trappers or ADC hunters to call the subject coyotes and be able to observe the behavior of ALL of them, the response of ALL of them to the howls and distress calls. Now that would be revolutionary." Pretty darn tantalizing, to be this close, eh? - DAA -------------------- "Oh yeah, they're gonna talk to you, and talk to you, and talk to you about individual freedom, but they see a free individual, it's gonna scare 'em." -- George Hanson, Easy Rider, 1969. Rocky Mountain Varmint Hunter Posts: 2676 | From: Salt Lake City, UT | Registered: Jan 2003  |  IP: Logged Rich Higgins unknown comic posted October 12, 2005 07:58 PM              Dave, it IS tantalizing. Mike is working on the data that he has downloaded. I had expected it to have been finished by now. Next month. You and I will get it first hand from them then. Meanwhile two other GPS studies are in progress elsewhere. I'm talking with one of the biologists now. Still trying to contact the other one. Wanna make a roadtrip to Boston? IP: Logged

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