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JoeF
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posted October 31, 2005 07:31 PM
Running short of people to hunt with. Our night season is coming up shortly and I'm open to anyone who would like to give it a try...
A thrill beyond belief, to put it mildly!
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JoeF
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posted November 01, 2005 04:13 AM
Let me rephrase the question and clarify that the state is IL.:
Does anyone have trouble finding someone to hunt with them at night?
Not a problem for daytime hunts - I prefer to hunt alone during the day and people are always wanting to go.
I can usually find someone to go once on a night hunt (after a great deal of persuasion) and have taken several people over the last few years. I have trouble getting people to go a second time.
I have one buddy who I got started day hunting a few years ago and we started out with an unbelievable success rate. He flat-out refuses to hunt at night.
Not a legal issue, the IL. law is very clear and has not changed in the last 6 years.
Not a success issue. A decent percentage of the hunts brought in at least one coyote.
Not an equipment issue.(better check my batteries)
Not a weather issue, our winters are mild. Some of the mid-Nov. hunts require nothing more than a light jacket.
Does it cut in to cocktail hour too much?
Afraid of the dark?
Ineffective deodorant?
Bad breath?
e.) all of the above?
Any IL. lurkers out there willing to accept the challenge?
10 days till the start of the season.
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posted November 01, 2005 04:56 AM
Joe, I am trying to plan a trip to Illinois in the near future. Unfortunately, my first attempt was soured because of your game laws. I had a cameraman and vacation days lined up for December 1st through 5th but then I found out about the closed season through that timeframe.
I also learned that you have to be licensed to deer hunt in order to take a coyote during deer season. You must also use deer legal ammo and firearms. I'm definately not interested in all that crap so I'll just wait until deer season goes out... then head west. I also learned the trapping license was going to cost me $174!!! And that I'll have to get a permit just to carry my rifle across the state line. Sheesh, you guys have it rough in Illinois.
If you ever want to come over to Indiana let me know... I hunt over 50 counties a year, some of which are on the Illinois line. Your non-resident license will costs you about $25, no restrictions on guns, ammo or fur possession.
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Andy L
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posted November 01, 2005 05:52 AM
Joe,
Where you at in IL? We cant hunt at night in MO. I have done it years ago and love it, but we just cant do it. And its not worth getting caught. I might be interested. Always wanted to do it again.
MO is weird in their thinking IMO. I used to run with a crowd that consisted of two of the MDOC brass. One was second in command of all the conservation. We talked about night hunting. He said that coyote hunting at night will never be legalized. Says that it makes it too hard to keep people from poaching deer. We cant use a light to even look at wildlife. To use a light, game has to be treed by the aid of a dog before shining your light. The local game warden backed up this deer paranoia thing.
They say that in one breath, then, make it where you can kill one deer of either sex, and all the does you want for $7 each. And, for the first time in history, this year you no longer have to check them in. They state their reason for this that the deer herd, in basically the northern part of the state, is out of control.
In the county I live in, you can bow hunt deer for 4 months, killing two of either sex. Then we have a 10 day rifle season, in which you can kill one buck, but all the does you want. Then a muzzlelaoder season, in which if you have already killed a buck, you can kill all the does you want. Then in December, another rifle season you can kill all the does you want. They are really worried about protecting their deer, eh?
Typical government bullshit to me. We cant hunt at night for coyotes because you want to protect your deer, but then you can kill all the bastards you want in the fall and winter. Makes no sense.
Andy
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JoeF
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posted November 01, 2005 06:24 AM
Man, I feel tyhe pain from both sides!!
Deer hunting has effectively killed coyote hunting until late in the season. Youth season (a great thing), gun season(s), muzzleloader season, pistol season, etc... No decent hunting to be done during any of these because of firearms restrictions, activity in the woods, etc...
That is actually one of the good thyings about night hunting. For working class dogs like me it affords an opportunity to get out during the week between all of these weekend IL. deer seasons we have.
Andy, I'm very familuar with the Mo. situation and seasons. That is home for me - the price of a non-resident "furbearers" license has effectively kept me from running all of my favorite haunts the last few years. I either unknowingly broke the law for decades or they just "snuck" that license in on me a few years ago... BTW, I'm right across the river near Quincy.
The deer are thicker than rabbits in both Mo. and IL. I have a rub and a scrape within 35 feet of my house...
I remember when the Mo. night hunting laws changed in the 70's. It required persons using a light to be accompanied by a dog. I knew more than one Chihuahua that got a free ride in a hunting coat pocket in those days...
Andy, at least take pride in having one of the best conservation departments in the country. The typical agents' attitude to people in the field, the amount of land the department buys and opens for public access, their policies - in general - are models that other states should follow. IL. sucks in all of those categories, and more.
JRB, I had no idea the IN. fee was so low. I make it over to Bass Lake every summer. might have to change that to a winter trip... i even have access to some land in the area.
As far as having a deer permit to hunt coyotes goes - that is pretty much the same in most states I've hunted. If you're going to be out with a deer capable arm during deer season you'd better have a deer tag. That is just compounded here in IL. by the dumbassed shotgun deer season.
I had considered a post asking how deer seasons in other states cramp coyote hunters' style. If they are anything like Mo. and IL. you have very few weekends to hunt until after the first of the year. Unless you want the expense of a deer tag thrown in...
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Andy L
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posted November 01, 2005 06:41 AM
Joe,
Where you from in MO? I am pretty familiar with your area. I used to hunt some in Lewis County, near Monticello, and stayed in Quincy. And, we leased 1250 acres in Clark County, north of Kahoka for 10 years. Good huntin in that area, for everything. Im sure its the same across the river too....
Actually, I just about got arrested one night in Quincy, for the ignorance of their very restrictive laws. We were up there for the bow season opener about 11 years back and were staying in Quincy. One of the guys heard of a indoor range where they had one of those video bow shoots. Well, none of us rednecks had ever heard of such a contraption, so we had to go check that puppy out!! I go strolling into the archery range with my bow in hand and you would have thougth I was packin a M16 and wearing a ski mask. I had no friggin idea you had to have a bow lock and (maybe or) case for you bow? Never heard of no such shit. Finally talked my way out of it, but it was touch and go for a little while. Im used to MO where you can carry a gun anytime you want, loaded, other than some cities. Scared me.
You are very correct about MDOC. From what Ive seen and heard about other states, they do have it goin on. From what I understand, they are one of the richest and thats all good. They have some great public ground, lakes, shooting ranges, ect.... It is a very good agency. I have heard, and witnessed, some real horror stories from other states. Within 10 miles of my house there is one Conservation Area that is over 5000 acres. (Thats big in MO for you western boys) And there is another one about the same distance that has a rifle range most private clubs would be proud to have, the way its set up. All free to the public.
Lets keep in touch. Maybe we can work something out....
Andy
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JoeF
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posted November 01, 2005 08:26 AM
Andy said:
"Actually, I just about got arrested one night in Quincy"
Man can I relate to that!!!! I just about got arrested one night in Quincy a whole bunch of times... Not furbearer hunting related... or maybe it was???
I could rant about the IL. case laws all day.
I grew up in the Elsberry, Mo. area and still have access to plenty of ground in that area. I'm not too tight to spring for the required permit, though it would pain me deeply.
Mississippi river bottoms and even more hill country. Mange was bad a few years ago, things ought to be back to normal by now.
Used to not be pressured much, though I couldn't tell you about the last few years - a "few years" being equal to whatever the statute of limitations is plus one year, for safety sake....
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posted November 01, 2005 10:40 AM
Knowing Joe, I guess we should take him literally; after all, he's a musician.
(you know; long hair, tight pants, controlled substances, etc.)
Just kidding, Joe. ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
He probably did almost get arrested in Quincy, one night, a bunch of times! But, if he is that good of a smooth talker that he can extract himself from a jam a bunch of times... in the same night, that's a valuable skill and my hat's off to him.
What an eye opener, though! I had no idea of the regs and crap inflicted on some people just to hunt coyotes. I thought they were pushing the envelope here when they forced us to buy a small game license to hunt coyotes, a completely nongame, unprotected species!
Seriously, generous offer, Joe. Maybe the problem is the lack of sleep for your partners? It does tend to throw off the schedule a bit, to stay up all night. Night hunting is so exciting, it is difficult to believe that you have people turning you down?
Good hunting. LB
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JoeF
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posted November 01, 2005 10:54 AM
The part that blows me away is the lack of repeat customers.
How can you go through such a safe thrill and not want to do it again, and again, and again?
Maybe because it is so different than other types of hunting?
A symptom of a "guilty preconditioning" - something this fun using such unusual methods has got to be illegal in this gestapo state, right?
I'm stumped.
Don't even have to stay out late, make a few stands and be home by 10.
Never almost got arrested many times in one night, I've lived in the Quincy area for 25 years and two weeks. The secret is not getting caught!
Those days are over, I'm plumb tame these days. Have to be near qualifying for monkhood.
And I still can't get anybody to hunt at night...
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JoeF
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posted November 01, 2005 04:34 PM
A quick comment on the generosity part - I consider it a great arrangement to hook up with somebody and we hunt a few of my spots and then a few of theirs', or vica versa. A good deal for both parties.
Another update - I snuck out of work a tad early today to make a quick stand in my back yard. No coyotes, 2 bucks, 1 doe. They're everywhere.
Deer are a real PITA night hunting here, as well. More eyes to figure out. More ears and noses to raise an alarm.
Also, Mo. and IL. are reasonable to hunt IF you are a resident, a hunting license will suffice. They only poke it to you if you are a non-resident.
I blame that on the deer hunting craze, to a degree. Some writer made a comment in Sports Afield or Field & Stream about 15 years ago about the next potential record buck coming out of IL. (Pike, Adams, or Brown County, specifically) - sheer stupidity has ensued. Wanna hunt, sure thang, $3k+ per gun.
Licenses of all types have had their price increased accordingly. Reciprocal agreements between states - you poke it to my residents if they hunt in yours, then I'm gonna poke it to your residents if they hunt in mine...
I religiously deer hunted in Mo. as a part of a long standing family tradition until the price of a non-resident tag went through the roof in the last few years.
Deer hunting stupidity in the mid-west has ruined a lot of other types of hunting as far as I'm concerned.
Mo. had a youth deer hunt last weekend - many responsible adults are up-in-arms because the kids got the first crack .... WTF, over!
Don't get me started. I guess I got myself started, but what the heck!
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Andy L
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posted November 02, 2005 05:58 AM
Joe,
Whens your night season? Whats the details on licenses, weapons and such?
You are so right about deer. Everything seems to be built around deer. It seems they want to protect them to the hilt on one hand, then beg you to kill all you can on the other. The MDOC held meetings with farmers and hunters in several different areas a couple years back, to see what suggestions were for a bigger deer kill. One that almost made the cut was going to be you had to kill a doe before you could purchase a any deer permit to kill a buck. There are enough horn hunters around, there would have been some does hittin the dirt at daylight opening day. ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
I got alot of private land to hunt and alot of them wont let me in til the middle of December, when all but the late bow season is over with. One of my favorite places to call is that way. Kinda sucks. I call all around there, but its just not the same. Oh well, whatcha gonna do.
As for pressure on coyotes, in MO, the only big pressure I see is from hound hunters. I dont want to get into this too much, I get kinda pissed when I get to talkin about it. There are a couple of groups around here, but I noticed when I used to hunt up in Lewis and Clark counties, there were LOTS of hounds. Big PITA. ![[Mad]](mad.gif)
However, I have also noticed that they dont do too much damage, from what I have seen, on the numbers and coyotes seem to call as good as anytime soon after they leave an area. Within a day or so.
Andy
BTW, I took my boy on the youth hunt. The last 4 years he has shot a deer at daylight opening morning of youth season. Every year he tells me hes gonna wait for a big one but the first one that walks out hits the ground.
This year, I think hes seriuos. He let several walk, including two at daylight, right off the bat.
I think this youth season is wonderful. Whatever assholes were saying bad things about the kids getting first crack, needs their heads cracked.... I cant describe the look on my kids face when he sees, let alone kills, a deer. And we hunt with all his cousins who are the same way. Its a good time, no doubt. I think we have as much fun as the kids do.
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JoeF
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posted November 02, 2005 06:47 PM
Andy, where you at in Mo. Sounds like we could hunt together.
As far as IL. night season - 11/10 thru 1/31. No firearms restrictions - I'll have to bone-up on the non-resident license requirement and costs.
I've heard many complaints about the early youth seasons - both deer and turkey. IL. now has an early youth deer season, antlerless only. One could take the charitable approach and think that this is just another management tool trying to reduce the herd - I say BS, I think it is a "cave-in" to the trophy mentality, pure and simple. Somebody needs their azz kicked.
Let the kids (our future) get out there and take on come-what-may. If they have the composition, let them wait for the trophy, if they don't and they have the opportunity let them live by "if it's brown it's down".
My son and I did some deep soul searching prior to the Mo. youth season this year and reached the conclusion that he a had another year to grow. A bit of relief to dad, he wasn't quite ready and I'm very glad that he reached that conclusion w/o any mandates from myself. Another responsible hunter in the making, methinks. He is a kick-assed dove shot already, the deer will come in time.
I know about the hound guys and not saying much. The locals don't like me at all. I don't understand - I kill very few coyotes, no one has a better love of a good hound than I... Must be related to the trophy mentality or a misguided sense of the availability of the resource.
What is the current time period that Mo. licenses are good for? Is it the calander year or something like 3/31- 3/31?
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posted November 02, 2005 10:24 PM
I live near Eldon, about 10 miles from Bagnell Dam at the Lake of the Ozarks.
Yeah, I would be game to do a hunt sometime. Maybe we could trade some hunts? Could be fun.
License in MO are from Feb 28 to Feb 28.
I like the way MO does the youth tags. For $15, a kid gets a spring turkey, fall turkey and deer. With the deer tag, they can kill anything during the youth two day season, the 10 day rifle season, muzzleloader season or the Dec doe only season. I think its a great deal. Like you said, if its brown, its down.
Let me do some thinkin and you find out about your out of state permits and maybe we can work something out. Sounds like a blast to hunt at night. I dont know if your interested in hunting MO or not, but your welcome to come on down....
As for the MO permits, heres a link,
http://www.mdc.mo.gov/regs/permits.htm
For coyotes, I dont think you need the furbearers. Just the small game, but Ill check more on that. Bummer would be you couldnt kill a bobcat or fox.
Lets try and do it.
Andy
Edit, thats not worded very plain. They may have changed the rules on furbearers this year. I see the game warden damn near every day. Ill ask and get back with you. Always before, you could hunt furbearers with a small game permit....
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posted November 03, 2005 05:35 AM
Joe, if it is that you can still hunt coyotes with only a small game, and I dont see why not, thats what I would do, if you come this way....
The places I hunt mostly, I havent seen a fox in years. As coyotes increased, the foxes disappeared. I dont know if the old thing about them eating foxes is true or just shove em out due to food sources or something else. I do know there used to be alot of reds and several greys in this area in the past and I havent called one here in the last several years. Not one. There are some small pods of them around south of here and Im sure they are thick in places. But not up on the "prarie" where I hunt, just north of here.
As for bobcats, I had never seen a bobcat there until the last few years. Always had to go south for them too. The year before last, I killed one, know of two others killed in the same area and called one myself two weeks ago. So, we may possibly call one in. That would be the only thing, but its not like it happens every other trip. Just a few a year.
What Im gettin at, is unless we go target bobcats and foxes, most likely all we are going to get are coyotes. Thats if your even intereted in even coming this way.
As for night hunting with you, like I said, I would love to. But, I will be relying on you for IL regs. I have never had any positive experiences with IL. None. Scares me to drive through there with a weapon of any kind. I know if we go east to pick up a fugitive, we always stop at the border and gas up, bathroom,ect.. and no stopping and drive the speed limit and get the hell out ASAP. ![[Wink]](wink.gif)
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JoeF
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posted November 04, 2005 08:19 PM
Andy, keep the thought of a hunt in mind. I haven't had time to look at the reg's, etc...
Your location and my old stomping grounds are close enough together that we could hunt one in the AM, the other in the PM.
More on this idea later!
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