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Greenside
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posted August 07, 2006 07:34 AM
Jason got me wondering about this on his callup remarks. What percentage of coyotes that you "callup" do you actually get shot?
I know everyone misses on occasion and gets winded at times.
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Kokopelli
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posted August 07, 2006 10:35 AM
Depends on the whens & wheres & with-whats. Early in the fur season, hunting known shotgun stands, I would guess that I dirt nap >90 ø/ø of the ones that I see. Mid-season cold calling while scouting with the rifle, the success drops off. Late season, anything can happen.
I know that many worship at the alter of accuracy, but I'm of the opinion that stand selection is a bigger factor in getting a quality shot off. When I set up my stands, I always think in terms of a 'kill box' that's well with-in range of my rifle or shotgun. Once a coyote enters the box, it's just a matter of taking a high confidence shot. Works for me......YMMV.
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posted August 07, 2006 12:06 PM
I'd have to say 75% or slightly higher. The country I call in doesn't have chest high sage, nor do I need to setup in thick brush. Mostly stubble and grazed pasture in the country I call, along with a decent view. With some careful stand selection and letting the coyote come as close as comfortable for me, a shot is almost certain.
Edit: For misreading the question.
[ August 07, 2006, 12:24 PM: Message edited by: Lonny ]
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Cdog911
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posted August 08, 2006 05:06 PM
Looking at last year's numbers, right at 50%. One was a clean miss because my scope got knocked off zero, and the rest were survivors of multiple responses. In nearly every instance, the first one in the scope went down. After that, things went to hell. ![[Smile]](smile.gif) I'm not ashamed to be honest. LOL
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stevecriner
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posted August 17, 2006 07:00 PM
50% to 60% maybe. 56 called in since jan 01 and only killed maybe 20 to 30. I call alot of multiples it seems like and i cant shoot.
Edit because of sounding dumb on my part,hehehe
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TA17Rem
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posted August 17, 2006 07:28 PM
Dureing the last couple of seasons i would say 60%, i bought some better equipement last season and i would say my % is up to 85% or better. Not claiming to be a better shot or caller, but thats just the way it is. Now this season it could be worse or it may get better. well have to wait and see.
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Purple220
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posted August 18, 2006 08:32 AM
If its singles coming in 80-90%, on doubles 50%.
But thats the ones I see. No telling how many come in undetected, especially in the thick stuff.
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NASA
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posted August 18, 2006 09:20 AM
I call in more than I see, and I see more than I kill. But I don't try to kill every coyote I have in the scope. But when I do decide to pull the trigger on one, 95% of the time he's DRT.
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Jrbhunter
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posted August 19, 2006 10:43 AM
Last year I hovered around 65% on killing my callups. Some stretches were better... like 13 for 13... but obviously there were droughts that offset that. The way coyotes are working a call on a given day has a big impact on this percentage.
I believe tweaking this percentage is the most direct affect a caller can have on his success. Easier said than done, but this % is where the numbers are.
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Cdog911
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posted August 19, 2006 02:25 PM
Good point, Jason, but I have to agree with Ta17Rem in that better equipment is a big part of tweaking those numbers. It would be interesting to see how these percentages play out for guys using weapons that have been tweaked versus out of the box or off the rack guns, factory versus handloaded ammo, a customized call (factory ot custom) that you tuned to your own tastes, etc.
Speaking for myself, my percentages have gone up considerably since employing a better quality shooting iron. Maybe it's part the rifle, and just maybe it's part my sense of confidence in the rifle to do the task asked of it. One thing is for sure - when I shoulder my rifle these days, I'm more surprised to not hear that thwack!!! "when the bullet hits the bone" than I am when it does. All just goes to show how mental this game is.
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Jrbhunter
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posted August 19, 2006 03:33 PM
A fair amount of that tweaking can be done with equipment... to me, the rest comes from hunting experience and coyote knowledge.
Live and learn just to die and forget it all.
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JoeF
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posted August 19, 2006 05:31 PM
I'd bet that anyone who has had a decent hunting background has seen very little increase in "numbers" because of more sophisticated/expensive/precise equipment. Maybe things are more fine-tuned or precise - more successful? I doubt it. Slight increase in success, sure. Noteworthy? Nope.
Can't buy the basics.
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Jrbhunter
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posted August 19, 2006 05:59 PM
I'm talking far beyond the basics Joe... I think many of those who have seen strong success in their areas (as compared to their local competition) are taking advantage of better equipment. Be it arial photography, electronic calling units or accurate rifles results tell us they make a decisive impact.
Could a phenomenal master of "The basics" kill record numbers with a PC2, 22LR and an outdated platbook? Certainly, but those guys are few and far between.
Remember- Krusty had the basics.
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JoeF
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posted August 19, 2006 06:46 PM
Jrb, unless we are splitting hairs I really doubt that there is a huge difference between people who employee the latest gizmos and the ones who hunt as they always have.
I'll shut up and fall back on my home states' motto.
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TA17Rem
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posted August 19, 2006 08:47 PM
Hate to bud in but i switched to a BDC dial on my scope and i know it helped me increase my fur take for the season, i was able to make longer shots on coyotes , i also switched to a different style of shooting sticks and it also made a difference. More hits more fur.
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Cdog911
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posted August 20, 2006 08:18 AM
Again, Jason, I agree. If your learning time is limited and you want to get on coyotes fast, you'd be best to spend that time learning and studying coyote behavior, moreso than trying to learn the latest, greatest calling technique. But, that wasn't my point.
Going back to the original query...
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What percentage of coyotes that you "callup" do you actually get shot?
Knowing as much as you can about coyotes is going to produce the "callups".
Having the best equipment your budget can afford and maximizing its effectiveness in the field, as suits you, is what brings that percentage closer to the century mark in my opinion.
I'm the last person to preach about accuracy and marksmanship, but I've hunted with some real sharp shooters and expert callers, and the common denominators that run thru that crowd are (1) a comprehensive understanding of all facets of the coyote's behavior, and (2) the ability to use their rifle almost as a natural extension of themselves.
Other than that, I'm mostly in agreement with you. Except for the part about e-callers. Sure, they'll up your kill rate, but whose doing the calling? ![[Wink]](wink.gif)
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Tim Behle
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posted August 20, 2006 10:05 AM
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Except for the part about e-callers. Sure, they'll up your kill rate, but whose doing the calling?
Lance, you've been spending too much time talking to those guys from the PVCA. We're in the 21st Century now, some of those guys are still stuck in the 19th.
Knowing when and how to work a remote can be just as challenging as knowing how to work a hand call. With the advent of MP3's and other forms of electronic recording, you can even use your own sounds to attract the coyotes.
An electronic call can do anything that a hand call can do, and it can also do a lot of things that just aren't possible with a hand call.
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Rich
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posted August 20, 2006 01:41 PM
Tim Behle,
You must have seen some of those same photos that I have. You know the ones showing a young "expert" caller sitting there with his rifle on fancy shooting sticks, and his trusty remote controlled calling machine sitting right beside him . Sometimes the guy actually is holding the speaker in his hand. I look at those photos and shake my head in disbelief. If a man ain't gonna use the advantage of getting the sound cross-wind where coyote don't smell him or at least out away from himself so coyote don't SEE him, then why the heck bother with an electronic caller? ![[Confused]](confused.gif)
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Cdog911
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posted August 20, 2006 02:49 PM
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why the heck bother with an electronic caller?
Because some people simply cannot master something as simple as,
Exhale, repeat, exhale, repeat, exhale, repeat, dot-dot-dot!
Sure, I see the benefits of e-callers, and I've used them a time or two. Own two of them. But, I just don't derive the same sense of accomplishment with a caller as I do driving one of my own calls. But, hey, to each their own. Call me ol' school.
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TA17Rem
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posted August 20, 2006 03:51 PM
I like to use electric callers because of more volume, on the slow days or days with some wind i will go to the electric caller. I'm satisfied calling in a coyotes with electric or hand calls. I'm out there for the hunt and the fur not tradition. What ever it takes to put fur on the board.
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Rich
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posted August 20, 2006 06:08 PM
"Because some people simply cannot master something as simple as,
Exhale, repeat, exhale, repeat, exhale, repeat, dot-dot-dot!"
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Lance,
I just KNEW that if you and I hung out on the same board long enough we would find something we agreed on.
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Jrbhunter
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posted August 20, 2006 06:12 PM
Lance, if you can find me an odorless midget that's incredible with handcalls send him my way. Put that dude in a ghillie suit and throw him in a tuft of Johnson Grass- I'd call him a hunting partner anyday.
If you're not coming to AZ in October you need to come out here to Indiana in January. Unless that midget thing pans out: I'll show you how the electronics have improved my success on calling coyotes in the hardwoods.
TimA we need to combine your passion for putting up fur with my desire to kill furbearers. I dispise putting up coyote fur... I believe I subliminally stink up K-9 sets just to catch possums.
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Cdog911
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posted August 20, 2006 07:28 PM
I'd love to make it to AZ, but these guys don't set a date until, well,... about now, and unfortunately, my annual leave for now was scheduled back in November '05. January leaves me a week to hunt here locally and I save my traveling money for November. Maybe some time in the future. Planning our hunts for '07-08 now to some extent. And btw, I don't know any midgets, let alone odorless ones with their own ghillie suits.
Admittedly, I can think of only two instances where I used an e-caller. One was last fall in Colorado. After two days of calling at high altitude, my lips were bloody raw from being chapped. I had to use the caller or not hunt. That's that day I shot the female in the face. Saw her out the truck window and told my partner to let me out. Only after he was about a hundred yards out did I realize my caller was lying on the truck seat. I had my lanyard around my neck. God, that stand hurt like a bitch. The first series of calls split the skin wide open. Sounded like something was getting its ass kicked by a rabid bunny.
The only other time is if I'm too bored to use hand calls, and if I'm that bored, I usually head for home.
Oh, and coons. That's three.
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Tim Behle
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posted August 20, 2006 07:57 PM
Just tell the Boss that the stress is getting to you and you are on the verge of going Postal..... Unless you'd just rather stay back and look after all of those unprotected sheep....
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sdyote
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posted August 21, 2006 07:22 PM
My question is if you wanted to increase your knowledge of coyote behavior can anybody recommend good sources of information? I have Rich Higgins Up Close and Personal volume 1. Any others books or videos anybody would recommend? Any other suggestions short of spending countless hours in the field?
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