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Steve C
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posted September 03, 2007 07:02 PM
I finally decided to break out my compound and put it together. After a little playing around I can group 4" at 40yds. Does anyone have any recommendations for broadheads? I will be going after coyotes, cats and grays.
Does anyone have any opinions on those blood trail lights (gerber carnivore and others)? Are they worth investing in?
Thanks for the help
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Norm
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posted September 03, 2007 08:13 PM
Steve, I expect any broadhead will do. I would suggest a fixed blade cut on impact for these small animals versus the open on impact type.
Keep practicing as 4" at 40 yds is big when compared to the animals you will be shooting at. 1 - 2 inch groups would be desirable.
Good luck getting an arrow drawn on these critters. There will be many trys and try agains...
as for the lights, have never tried one, so don't know. for following up at night, a coleman latern works as well as anything.
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Steve C
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posted September 03, 2007 08:39 PM
I know I really need to practice. This is the second time I have ever picked up a bow. Thanx for the advice.
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Norm
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posted September 03, 2007 08:44 PM
It will come together with time... keep shooting and above all, have fun...
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Leonard
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posted September 03, 2007 09:14 PM
I never done it.
But. It will be quite a challenge, at night, alone. First question. Are you calling from a vehicle, or on the ground? Either way, you want a red light that has flood capabilities, not a real tight spotlight. If it is directional, then you provide the ability to swing it very slowly, 360º. A pivot. Always stay behind it. I wouldn't mount a light on the bow. If you plan to hunt from a vehicle, and alone, the best solution is to lay the light down, pointed downwind, and leave it there, and call very softly, after the first minute or two. And, for sure, use Magic Mist.
Now, if you want to get fancy, go down to a marine/yacht supply store and buy a regular 100W incandescent light bulb in 12 Volt. They use these for interior lighting on battery power, but they look just like a standard Edison mogul screw in base. AC or DC, doesn't matter, but you will be running it DC off your battery. Now spray it with red Dykem and fasten it on some type of pole (with the ability to raise it to a proper height) so that it is above your head, and you are in the shadow directly under the light. I use a 12" flat disc plate under it to increase the shadow effect, but, this light will shine 360º without moving. All you have to do is stand, back to back with a partner, or if by yourself, just slowly move your head. There will be a cone of darkness/shadow under the light, so it is hard for the animal to detect shape or movement. Get as close under the light as possible, so you see the eyes best. Otherwise, you will see the whole body, way out past 50 yards. I'm sure you get the picture.
If you have a partner to work the light for you, forget the above, you know what to do.
Good hunting. LB
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Leonard
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posted September 03, 2007 09:44 PM
This is a couple pics of a light I use. It's actually a weatherproof sidewalk light, with a pie plate, but with red Dykem. It is laying down, as would be for transporting, but without the plastic bag, for privacy. It has a recessed holder and a switch, and plugs into an outlet.
Good hunting. LB
on the second pic, you can see the cord coming out of a C condulet, maybe it is a Tee?
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posted September 03, 2007 10:11 PM
Steve; The best advice that I can give you is - Join an archery club. It will shorten your learning curve more than anything else, plus it's a lot of fun. At one time El Monte had a pretty decent club. Not sure if they're still around. Back when I was shooting in So. Cal. so was Roy Hoff & Hugh Rich. As far as I know, Malibu went belly up & Valley West is gasping it's last. I think that Verdugo and Conejo are still active. Check with your local archery shop.
And yes,...... I did make arrows for Robin Hood.
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Leonard
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posted September 03, 2007 10:15 PM
There's one on Arrow Highway, I think it's Covina, or San Dimas?
edit: Years ago, there used to be the Archery Headquarters, on Peck Road, in El Monte.
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Steve C
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posted September 03, 2007 10:31 PM
Yeah, there's one on San Bernardino Road in Covina only a couple of minutes away from Rick O. and my new favorite ammo shop Phillips Wholesale. I'm gonna keep up on the practice.
Has anyone really had a chance to test any of the blood detecting lights???
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Steve C
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posted September 03, 2007 10:34 PM
Leonard. Have you heard about the CA chapters coming back together to re form the state? Bill Saksa from Orange CO.has been trying to bring everyone together. I'm completely behind the idea. I hope this isn't just wishful thinking.
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Leonard
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posted September 03, 2007 10:40 PM
Hmm? Orange County was one of the most eagar dismantlers, in the first place? That would be some kind of change of heart! Maybe some people wouldn't be welcome?
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George Ackley
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posted September 09, 2007 10:07 AM
I also am a predator bow hunter
I don't wont to sound long winded but I do love to call predator to the bow and don't get much chance to talk about it
so sorry if this is long.
when I am bow hunting predators there are a couple thing I do different then when bow hunting big game.
For one I shoot really low poundage for predators . It don't take much kinetic energy to shoot though predators ,I make way to much movement with my big game bow just trying to get it back, I have a tendency to keep my predator hunting bow in front of my face, to help cover movement of my calling hand and I also need to draw my bow strait away from me, In drawing strait away there is not much visual movement to see if something is looking strait at you. A smooth drawling bow is what you looking for you will find this in something with a good axle to axle length and a longer brace height and good let off is always a plus.
I also don't shoot a overdraw on my predator bow and I like feathers preferable 4'' and no peep sight.
shooting from rest mounted to the bows shelf and larger feathers I find to be much more forgivable witch a long brace height and larger axle to axle will also be more forgiven .and a peep just takes to much light away. I find these all to be helpful predator hunting with a bow , because you will find your self making some odd shot with untraditional shooting forms.
As for arrows and broad heads I shoot mechanicals, why ? many resins, one being that the less of a profile my blade has the less it going to be deflected by any brush or anything other then fur it may come in contact with .Another plus's is the ease of getting them to fly like your practice point, and the #1 reason for using them is that you can get a mechanical that cuts such a large hole that they can save you when a shot go's bad,,, A 2'' hole anywhere on a coyote or cat will most often make him bleed out,,.I know how tuff a coyote can be to put down! but bow hunting them there is a couple thing that come into play when you hit them not so good. Lot of times do to the lack of noise they really don't know just what happened ,often they will just stay there trying to bite the impact spot or will just run a short distance and lay up and bleed out. I am big on getting as many holes in them as you can so a secant shot on him is a must do if he give you the opportunity . I have had coyote stand there and take minet's and pull out half his intestines then run off not to be recovered.. so stay quit after the shot and take the secant shot if you can
before he runs off. If I am hunting with another hunter we always carry a shot gun to help finish of a bad arrow shot.
As for setting up on predators,
I have only taken bobcat with a bow in Texas to get a cat tag here in PA is like winning a lotto so
the way we do it is mostly at night with the shooter ether seated or taken a knee in front of the truck.
I will be in the back of the truck calling and running the light I work it just slow enough that the shooter can watch and see what ever I burn. If I see them way off and the shooter cant see it he will know that I have seen something because I will be keep the light focused on a area ( once i see the cat i never take the light off him , once I see the cat i will with hand signals direct the shooter to the right spot on the side of the truck the spot were i think the cat will make his approach. most cats I can get well into bow range if the shooter lets me but if the cat makes it a point to have a seat just out of range it not uncommon to have the shooter walk just in the halo of the light at the cat and make a closer shot.the cat will get close if you let him.
I like calling cats with a bow around ponds , tanks, old farm building and transition area's were field turn it to thick ground cover , with old out building being my favorite.with this kind of setup we will hunt on foot but same style as of the truck. love bow hunting cats..
coyotes are a target of opportunity for me at night i try and stick just cats in the dark...
Coyote can be worked the same way but they sometimes just don't like to stay still for long .
So we bow hunt them 70% of the time from tree stand and in my case with mutable shooters as much as I can..also mostly in the day time. but when hunting coyote as a 2 man team's we will try to set up in spots we can hopefully dictate were they will arrive on seen at . we like to call wide creeks that are on edge's of fields. My favorite spot to call coyote with the bow are the small wooded area that divide a highway 90% of then are only 50 to 90 yard wide and it makes a grate place to call a coyote. Most of the time you know they are coming right in front of you or right behind you. Many times I have forgone this set ups because of bad wind but because theses guys here getting me interested in the hole misting thing I think it will open up my high way hunting a bit more. what i am saying is i like to set up on coyote with my bow in places that help me put then in front of my bow.
sorry for the spelling and if it don't make much sense, you may need to read it a couple times .
i am not so good at putting thought down ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
best of luck with your bow this year.
George
[ September 09, 2007, 10:29 AM: Message edited by: George Ackley ]
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