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Topic: Types of call responses
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Kokopelli
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posted November 27, 2007 04:13 AM
It has been my experience (daytime) in the areas that I hunt, that a non-stop excited style of calling will (generally) bring in a non-stop excited coyote and that a more lackadaisical stop & start style of calling will (generally) bring in a coyote with a somewhat more casual demeanor, that also stops & starts, and responds in it's own good time.
What say ye, assembled Pakmen??
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Baldknobber
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posted November 27, 2007 05:23 PM
It is my belief from limited personal experience(I've been calling for 4 years) that when you are calling sporadically that a coyote has to hunt you with his nose while you are not calling. When you call with say ....an electronic caller that runs constantly, I think a coyote has a constant fix on your position and sometimes gets his blood boiling and...lookout, here he comes. Dont count on an educated doing this though. I play my caller alot more when the breeze is blowing. When it is calm I want them hunting me. It seems to me when they do this that they come in slower and it just gives me an edge in getting the gun on them. I try to take away their sense of smell if at all possible.
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TRnCO
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posted November 27, 2007 05:28 PM
I find that if it is real cold and has been cold for many days on end, they all come running faster than if it's warm.
I think how fast they respond has more to do with how hungry they are and how much competition they have for food, than it does on frequency of distress sounds.
I only use hand calls, and it always amazes me just how well they can pin point the source of sound from a great distance.
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csmithers
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posted November 27, 2007 05:35 PM
I can't really say too much about this one 'cause as an average I see the coyotes I call in for about 10-15 seconds. From what I have gathered in these far flung and fleeting moments is that, they seem to me, to be more eager if they are doubled up than when alone. The loners appear, to me, more skittish but tend to stick around a tad longer than the "packs". I call nearly the same almost all the time, loud and obnoxious, so any noticeable change in response is do to them and not me.
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Cdog911
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posted November 27, 2007 07:31 PM
How I call depends upon my situation, the weather, and the setup. Responses in the early season, like now, are slow and deliberate. Later on, cold and hunger will ramp things up a bit, but not a lot. As much as I enjoy seeing them bust in, I'd rather watch them approach slowly so I can set them up for a better shot rather than hurrying things and settling for what dumb luck offers at the time.
If I'm by myself, and often I am, I call sporadically. This seems to make them have to hunt for me. If I call too much, they tend to use the cover to conceal their approach and often will have me boresighted before I see them, and usually by following the sound. If I keep my calling to a minimum - say, twenty seconds every couple minutes - I usually spot them at a distance as they stand looking around.
If the wind is blowing, I call much more frequently and in short bursts so as to try and thread the needle of noise through a hole in the wind. If I have it with me, I use the e-caller so it can run continuously. Nothing ruins a stand like trying to call continuously with a mouth call and losing consciousness. LOL
If I have a gunner, I set him up downwind of me where he can see any approaches to downwind of me, then call and call. My intent is to set up a shot for him by keeping the coyote's attention on me. Most shots, when I'm using a gunner, are taken by them, not me. I'm just a back up when things go bad. LOL Then, things go REAL bad. Using the e-caller at a distance is pretty much the same thing except the caller is my "partner" and I'm the gunner.
As far as fast and desperate versus slow and plaintive, I just go with how I feel. Since a lot of the places I call see me several times each season, I figure that if I continuously mix it up, they won't pattern me as easily.
[ November 27, 2007, 07:33 PM: Message edited by: Cdog911 ]
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Kokopelli
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posted November 27, 2007 10:42 PM
Much thanx for the replys. My thinking is on the possibility of improving the shooting opportunities thru stand selection, kill box, and calling style before the coyote ever even shows up.
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6mm284
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posted November 28, 2007 06:19 PM
When I use an elaborate complex call sequence and get a coyote in , I am convinced the extra effort was the reason.. Then I think about the times I sat down and had a coyote before I blew anything or after blowing a really crude sequence. I really begin to question the necessity of elaborate and complex calling techniques.For me, the jury is still out on the elaborate calling sounds and techniques. The coyotes for the most part are either going to be responsive or not.(Not withstanding matching calls to seasons , call pressure or special indivdual situations.) Reponses being more due to other less understood factors. The switch is pretty much on or off. I know I will catch hell for saying this, but all this focus on secret calls ,sequences ,special hand calls or new electronic calls is much overdone .Often by those in the call or video business..It is human nature to like to think you have a secret no one else has.
My partner and I are probably two of the simplest and crudest callers .No secrets or special anything and yet I have not seen any of the successes described that we have not experienced.Have had the most unproductive calling imaginable and some of the most productive calling imaginable.(pep rally over)
[ November 28, 2007, 06:21 PM: Message edited by: 6mm284 ]
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Kokopelli
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posted November 28, 2007 09:45 PM
6MM284; No doubt that 'simple & crude' calling will work. Rick Jameson, in his book advocated a somewhat monotone waa waa waa style. Make it sound hurt,......you know the drill.
The question is; When you call 'simple & crude' do the coyotes generally come in as hard chargers that make you wish that your rifle was a Mini-14 & your Mini-14 was a Mossberg or do they generally come in on more of a sneak?? And......do you notice a different approach response with the more elaborate style of calling?? Thanx!!
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6mm284
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posted November 29, 2007 03:51 AM
Responses are a combination of all the approaches. chargers, slow deliberate.you name it. No different than when elaborate calling is used.Have often used distress calls of prey that isn't even present in a particular calling area. Such as wood peckers, pig distress, pheasant distress in the desert.
Sometimes when howling I think we may be keeping the submissive coyotes from responding then the next time kill mostly the young with the same call. Or get mostly older adults with a worn out rabbit call and no young.As a very experienced govt hunter friend of mine says," Don't think , just do".
The type of response is more due to the individual responding than the call sound.This is not rocket science it is all about opportunity and access.( free time and location)
I always grin when I hear someone talk about how great some new call sounds.Yes to the human but how does the coyote hear. Many people are better howlers than the coyotes are .They can make vocalizations so good that I have never even heard a coyote do them as well.
As for me I will just keep grinding it out and keeping it simple.I am probably ignorant and too pragmatic but oh well.
And by the way ,I never wish I had a mini 14 unless I need to beat them to death.
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6mm284
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posted November 29, 2007 04:26 AM
KoKO. by your lat long I think you are near a calling area I used to frequent. Around wagon tire in s.e. oregon. Seemed to be good numbers but a lot of calling pressure as we had callers howling back to our howls. Been a while ago though.
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Leonard
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posted November 29, 2007 07:08 AM
Boy, that's a pathetic situation.......
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skoal
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posted November 29, 2007 10:15 AM
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we had callers howling back to our howls. Been a while ago though.
That would send me to the truck in a hurry.
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DAA
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posted November 29, 2007 01:36 PM
Happened to me once a few years ago. So I started trying to play the Star Spangled Banner on my Higgins howler ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif) .
Jimmy Hendrix I ain't...
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