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Kelly Jackson
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posted February 22, 2010 08:14 PM
How old do you think this coyote is?
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Leonard
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posted February 22, 2010 08:18 PM
Wow! Ten, maybe? Never seen anything like it?
Anybody ever stumble on to a coyote dead of natural causes? Or do they all run in front of a Semi on the Interstate?
Good hunting. LB
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Brad Norman
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posted February 22, 2010 08:22 PM
Wow! Old enough to know better.
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CrossJ
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posted February 22, 2010 08:50 PM
What was his over all condition (minus the leaks you put in him.lol)
Edit: LOL LB. Whats with the new title?
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TA17Rem
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posted February 22, 2010 11:13 PM
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Leonard
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posted February 22, 2010 11:34 PM
New title? Somebody has a hot temper....I hear?
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CrossJ
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posted February 23, 2010 05:52 AM
LOL, On occasion.
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ursus21
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posted February 23, 2010 06:20 AM
Dang, it would be interesting to know just how old that bugger is. I have a little side business and beetle clean skulls. I see countless skulls each year and I've never had one come in that looked as old as this coyote you posted.
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Kelly Jackson
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posted February 23, 2010 06:50 AM
G - this old guy was pretty beat up looking around the head and ears and had a touch of mange.
He could still travel good as I first seen him at around 600 yards.
With no more teeth than he had, I figure his fighting days were just about over. He was running by solo best I could tell.
Tim - Tell me more about tooth rings? It is the same as tree rings?
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TA17Rem
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posted February 23, 2010 09:10 AM
[ March 28, 2010, 09:41 PM: Message edited by: TA17Rem ]
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Locohead
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posted February 23, 2010 10:59 AM
Did Huber tell you that!?!?
In certain areas, at certain times of the year, under most conditions, I generally believe most of what Scott has to say about coyotes. He's a pretty fart smeller.
I don't buy the ol' 'count the fang rings' to determine age. I've never even heard of it and find it to be rather BALONEY flavored!
You didn't actually accuse Scott of saying such a thing but that you tried it on skulls he gave you. Otherwise he might of been pulling your leg.
How is it supposed to work? Don't tell me one ring for every year of age?!?!
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Rich Higgins
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posted February 23, 2010 11:30 AM
Danny, it does work that way. It is called cementum annuli and one layer per year is added. Good luck sawing the tooth and counting rings yourself. Very hard to see even after staining. Research biologists will pull a carnasial rather than a "fang" and send it into a lab in Michigan (I think that's where it is)to age their subjects.
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TA17Rem
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posted February 23, 2010 11:46 AM
[ March 28, 2010, 09:41 PM: Message edited by: TA17Rem ]
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Locohead
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posted February 23, 2010 11:46 AM
But Chig, trees get bigger with growth rings, some of the guys here must really have some big 'ol honkin' teeth by now!?!?
Seriously though, You are describing a super duper fine layer of some sort of natural coating that covers the tooth - aren't you? There are no such thing as rings within the tooth as stated, right? They would get bigger. What happens between the layers of cementum annuli that differentiates it from the previous layer? And what about the ol' wearumoffum cementum that occurs annuli also?
P.S. The questions are legit. I'm not challenging anything because I "don't know much biology". And the Professor does. RichHiggins is another one of those fart smellers I generally believe and learn from, at certain times of the year, when the conditions are right in my area.
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TA17Rem
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posted February 23, 2010 02:52 PM
[ March 28, 2010, 09:41 PM: Message edited by: TA17Rem ]
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Joel Hughes
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posted February 23, 2010 03:56 PM
Okay, it's now official..."Fang" ranks right up there with "yote" now. At least call it a tooth, would ya Tim? ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
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Okanagan
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posted February 23, 2010 04:22 PM
I'm gonna be real curious as to the age of that coyote, and also what the do it yourself rings show. I wish we had a lab to confirm or correct the home count method.
I killed an ancient coyote with a huge body years ago in the Canadian Rockies with similar teeth, almost all gone and what was left worn to the gums. His fangs (eye teeth?) were nubbins. It was during Fall elk season and though his body was huge he was skinny with no body fat. He'd have had a hard time gripping any prey and could only gum it as his rear teeth were all gone.
When I shipped him he was rated XXL or whatever they graded the biggest ones. I haven't sold fur in a long time.
Edited to PCatize the word fang!
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Locohead
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posted February 23, 2010 05:53 PM
Where did you go Rich? I believe you, just teach me a little. I think other inquiry minds want to know also. Aaaaah, I thin I just figured it out...you are preparing a big ol' hairy explanation to teach us, Que No Profesor?
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Cdog911
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posted February 23, 2010 06:11 PM
If you've ever killed a deer and had to submit a central incisor, it was for the purpose of using cementum annuli to determine their age, and subsequently, the age structure of the harvest in hopes that doing so gave something of an idea of the age structure of the overall population. Yes, Danny, it is legit. These teeth are sectioned using a very tiny laser and the micro-thin sections are viewed through a microscope in order to count the annuli. Not saying he cannot do it, but Tim looks to have been rode hard a time or two and as deaf as he is, I seriously doubt that his eyes are sufficient enough to substitute for a binocular microscope. Then again, he may surprise me...
Edited to add this link to show just how non-obvious the rings are, even when performed correctly.
http://www.matsonslab.com/html/Services/HunterServices/Hunters.htm
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TA17Rem
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posted February 23, 2010 07:02 PM
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predatorhunter
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posted February 23, 2010 08:44 PM
I had never heard of this tooth ring thing, I always wondered how they aged deer when you sent in the jaw bone. That's pretty cool. Of course he could just be a young coyote adicted to meth!
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Locohead
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posted February 23, 2010 09:03 PM
Very cool indeed. And interesting too.
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Randy Roede
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posted February 28, 2010 06:04 AM
KJ only thing for certain, he ain't gettin any older. Nice job!
Here a 3-4 year old is well, old!!
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Dusty Hunter
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posted February 28, 2010 07:09 AM
Good job Tim, Fish and Game used to do that on the Black Bear I would get.
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TA17Rem
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posted February 28, 2010 12:03 PM
[ March 28, 2010, 09:35 PM: Message edited by: TA17Rem ]
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