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Topic: Coyotes are different than dogs
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Cdog911
"There are some ideas so absurd only an intellectual could believe them."--George Orwell.
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posted March 10, 2010 03:24 PM
Alright, experts,
What have you see coyotes do that made you know, for a fact, they they aren't just any other canine?
Couple things stand out for me this past season.
This past weekend, with that big male herding those two young upstarts out of gun range was a good start. Dumb old dog would have just come running in all stupid and stood there watching his neighbors falling to the left and right, not realizing he was next in the duck shoot. To see a coyote do what that one did makes you wonder if they could possibly have a cognitive awareness that they either need to run or they ain't gonna survive this! At the very least, they seem to be aware of the fact that things just went to shit.
Another was a big mangy male I got last year going away. You could tell he'd been at this dance before. Backdoored me and ran past me about fifteen feet off my toes on cut soybeans. I was laying down flat and sat up just as he and I made eye contact. He bolted and immediately began zigging and zagging from left to right and vice versa. Took me three shots to get my zig matched to his zag but he died anyway with a round to the noggin at about 200 yards. I've also seen coyotes run off hugging the ground like a worm with all four legs out to the sides like boat oars just to stay low and out of sight. Seen them run like hell right into the middle of a bunch of cattle and stop dead in their tracks. Some of them died in their tracks because one did that once and the rancher was looking on. As I walked out, not having taken the shot, he met me on the road and told me that he expected me to take that shot next time or he'd find someone else that would.
Last thing that I saw this year was a coyote that charged in to the caller, ran up on the speaker and turned around and got the hell outta there. I told the guy that was with me that he'd just seen the difference between a dog and a coyote. A dog would have seen the speaker or caller, smelled it, maybe tried to pee on it and, at least once for me, tried to pick it up and walk off with it. A coyote, on the other hand, sees it and runs like hell the other way. Not because he knows what it is, but because he sure as hell knows what it isn't.
What have the rest of you seen that let you know coyotes are a notch above ol' Shep?
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Kelly Jackson
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posted March 10, 2010 06:11 PM
I don’t know Lance there is a lot of difference between a dog that loves people and them that have been running loose awhile. About 25 years ago there were four dogs running together that were wild as heck. The rancher had shot at them a time or two and asked me when I was out and about if I would take care of them. If they seen or heard a truck they would haul ass. I couldn’t get them to come to a call, but I did get two of them one morning. Don’t know what become of the other two. I never saw them again.
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Cdog911
"There are some ideas so absurd only an intellectual could believe them."--George Orwell.
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posted March 11, 2010 07:53 PM
Still have that problem around here. Unfortunately, about ten years ago, a bunch of frat boys lit a yorkie terrier on fire and the law was passed that makes shooting a domestic dog or cat, feral or not, a felony. How's that for crazy?
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RagnCajn
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posted March 11, 2010 10:08 PM
I've got one for you. I have a spot that has produced every year since I've been calling them. Some years I can get 3-4 successfull stand from it.
There are two fields seperated by a fence with undergrowth. I called it one evening and saw two coyotes come out of the woods to the south. they both headed for the fence row. This is common and they usually would appear in the downwind side field and begin the arc. I sit in the gate way where I can see both fields.
Not this time. There was no wind this day and they both came out of that fence row about 75 yards out. The only problem was that both came out on a different side. Both circling and coming back in to me from different sides. It was as if they had planned it to come in from different sides and one could blind side the cause of the screaming while it was occupied with the other one.
The only ones that know why they did it was the coyotes and they ain't talking.
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TA17Rem
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posted March 12, 2010 01:07 AM
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Rich
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posted March 12, 2010 06:47 AM
Coyotes are better at surviving than a German shepherd, but then you average domestic dog did not have hundreds of years to develop his survival techniques.
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predatorhunter
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posted March 12, 2010 08:01 AM
I hunted a place once where there was a small patch of woods surrounded by a picked cornfield on three sides and a big pond on the other. With nothing to break my outline, I laid prone in the field facing the woods and called with a mouth call;which was all I had back then. After waiting 2min. or so,I started a second series of calls and saw movement at the edge of the woods. I stopped calling and waited for what seemed a eternity and was about to give up;when I noticed a odd white spot, not twenty- five yds. away. It never moved at all as I stared at it for at least 5min. trying to figure out what it was. Finally, I eased the gun up to look through the scope and it was a female coyote laying with her head on outstreached paws trying to figure out what the heck I was. About the time I looked through the scope, her eyes widened but it was too late to run. It was like we both realized what each other was at the same time. I don't know how she crossed that field without me seing her unless she crawled. I've thought about that coyote many times over the years; it was my first one and it made me realize they weren't like anything I ever hunted. Shot her with a Marlin model 60 22lr. with a Stinger and used a Loanman closed reed call. Out of all the fancy equiptment and guns I have now, that little gun and call still holds a special place in my heart as I would take several more in the years to come with that combo; before it got stolen.
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Leonard
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posted March 12, 2010 08:25 AM
Just addressing the title; coyotes being different than dogs. There is a lot of data showing that wild dogs behave a lot more like wolves than coyotes. In the few incidents I have observed, over the years, what seems apparent to me is that (especially) in groups, the two do not mix well. My opinion is that they avoid each other, if possible? Speaking of packs. In one on one situations, I have not seen that other than woofing, etc.
That's about all (I think) I know, on this subject.
Good hunting. LB
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Andy L
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posted March 12, 2010 08:34 AM
I have never seen any data on it, but I was thinkin the same. We have dealt with a few packs of actual wild dogs over the years, gettin in cattle. Way more damage than any coyote and they have a big time pack mentality when taking down a calf. Much more like a wolf than coyote.
Honestly, out of all the ones Ive seen and killed, even though some people swore they were breeding with coyotes, I never saw anything that would make me think that. They were just dogs. Very destructive dogs.
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predatorhunter
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posted March 12, 2010 09:12 AM
When coyotes first started getting populated here, the old- timers that fox hunted with dogs; were complaining that their dogs were getting run out of the woods by the coyotes . It got so bad that most quit hunting and sold their dogs,because fox were getting thinner and encounters with coyotes left a few dogs hurt pretty bad. That was 1978 and I was 14. Two years later they were making it hard on beagles during Feburary mating season. Nobody here knew anything about them, let alone how to hunt them. That's when I decided to give it a try! I had heard of people calling fox and thought mabey it would work on coyotes too. I talked to some of the people who had called fox and they thought I was crazy trying to call something that would whip or eat a dog. But ,to me it was a challenge and the thought of calling something that might put up a fight was a thrill; and the closest thing to hunting dangerous game that we had! Boy was I about to get an education. Not only were they not agressive to humans but, down right shy! I bought the closed reed call from a guy that had called fox before and picked his brain about how to use it. If my parents had known what I was doing I'd been grounded for life and a day. But, they just thought I was groundhog hunting as usual. It didn't take me long to realize ,like you said; they ain't like dogs. And even though the're not agressive to humans, and after thirty years of hunting them ; they still get my adrenlin pumping!
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Randy Roede
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posted March 13, 2010 07:23 AM
Lance, the herding behavior although not an everyday occurance it does happen here thru out the year.
Got to bring your A game to those. You'll have some good hunting once you get that one out of the way.
Someone adjusted their learning curve.
You'll have to use some imagination and some boot leather to clean that up.
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