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Topic: Pair Data
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Randy Roede
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posted February 19, 2011 03:46 PM
After the discussion in another post about which one to shoot first etc. I thought it would be interesting to see just what is coming first this time of year or is there really any pattern etc. I had an idea of what to expect but honestly in the running here and there rush I just usually sex em and go on after killing them.
So I took the last 6 pairs harvested in the last week to 10 days. Small sample size to say the least. Not near big enough to draw a concrete conclusion but only a reasonable asumption.
Of those 6 pairs if you would have shot the closest first you would have killed the male 4 out of the 6 times. All were called inside of the 150 yard mark before one was shot. Granted some of these would have been closest by just a few feet.
I only used data where I harvested the pair as you can not be 100% sure of the other unless it is dead.
Numerous times it was a threesome but in almost every case the third was woofed back at about 400 plus yards and sat and watched the others go to their fate. I never got a good chance to harvest a third in this group. At the first sound of a gunshot each and every one took off and never returned. Each one of the three threesomes that a pair was harvested from were a bred female and a male.
Although the males seemed to wait around and not want to leave the dead female I also saw a hard charging female wait around after her cautious male friend died. he must have been good!!
These pairs were called with everything from prey distress to coyote vocalizations and coyote distress. Some soft, some very agressive. Most had been located prior to hunting. Some were part of a larger group, one such group came in as a pair initially and then a very agressive male came to run the pair back before approaching. Wish I could have gotten that pair or at least one out of it.
If I didn't get an agressive responce locating I used only prey distress otherwise in my experience I usually just move those coyotes as I work country with coyote vocalizations. I got very agressive and cautious responces from using both distress and vocalizations. IMO it's the personality of the coyote, male or female, much more than the sound.
There were a couple bred females that came in alone ,very rare, and of course the young males. Also pairs who were very interested in each other and not me and the third wheel coyote dogging a pair also uninterested.
Here you can set up and have the benefit of being able to watch them come from extended ranges in this open terrain. The chain of command while coming to the call would change from time to time.
Outside of this timeframe about three weeks ago, I was on a stand using rabbit distress in some very open rolling pasture country and was not seeing anything. Pure white snow cover. After about 10 minutes hit the button for a coyote vocalization and as I looked up I had a line of 7 of them coming hard at about 3/4 of a mile from me. Once that vocalization hit their ears they stopped and started retreating and reorganizing I went back to the distress and two split and came while the rest got herded back by what I am assuming was the old female because the two that came were one old male and a YOY male.
As for this data it's about how a guy would figure it to be with an exception to the rule here or there. At this time of year.
I see a much higher male kill ratio in the late fall early winter again like a guy would figure.
Maybe you guys are seeing something different? Tough for you guys hunting thick cover in tight areas.
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SD Howler
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posted February 19, 2011 04:43 PM
Randy:
Years back when I also worked as a SD GF&P Trapper from 1977-92. With my calling after the first of the year, when I called in a pair of coyotes and the first coyote was shot, I remember that a majority of these were males. This was similar to what you found with your recent calling. Sorry that I don't have any actual numbers or dates of harvest, just my recall from those years.
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posted February 19, 2011 04:58 PM
Randy. i've been out quite a bit latly and have been having purdy good luck. i've called in few multiples. mostly singles with about 1/2 being lone females which strikes me as odd. i've been checking the teeth of all coyotes lately and as far as i can tell, have been shooting mostly younger ones. i've had quite afew opp's to call in pairs that i've seen visualy but have had poor sucsess getting them in. have been trying coyote vocals on my fury and mouth calls and also have had poor luck. distress has been the best for me (no rabbit).edited to add.. i did call in a pair today in minnesota and killed them. for some reason i did not check sex and i left them curled up on a nice snowdrift for someone to put a sneak on ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif) . they both had horrible hides
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Randy Roede
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posted February 19, 2011 05:08 PM
Steve did you shoot the close or far one first? These last 6 pairs I shot the furthest first.
I think if a guy would have recorded the data and I guess I could go back and look thru all my day planners and get it, your results would be similar, IMO.
The trick is harvesting the pair so you know for sure.
Did you ever get out calling with those guys you were talking about?
Dave if they are still breeding it's tough. Give em sometime they'll come around. You dirty dog!!
[ February 19, 2011, 05:16 PM: Message edited by: Randy Roede ]
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posted February 19, 2011 06:50 PM
In a majority of those cases, I shot the the closest and most aggressive coyote first. In a few cases where I was lucky enough to kill both, the second coyote was a female. Here again most of these were shot during the breeding season, so you would expect to have a mated pair. Yes, it is to bad that I don't have the old daily records of harvest that the trappers logged each day.
We were going to try and get out calling at Thanksgiving, but the place we wanted go, the rancher was saving it for a caller that was in the Varminter's Contest.
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posted February 19, 2011 07:22 PM
Well my data doesn't amount to much because of the heavy cover thing, but it seems like I've killed a lot of lone bitches lately. Some still in heat, some presumably already bred, but no partner seen. Also a couple of female of a pair where she was closest.
I did kill a pair yesterday where I had to shoot the dog (closest) because he was getting too close to me. I was able to howl the bitch back though.
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posted February 19, 2011 07:38 PM
Randy when useing male,female, and young coyote vocals does that change the out come of which comes in first???
I looked at my records from last season for the month of Feb. (2-15-10)
The majority of the first ones killed out of a double was females and I had one group of five come in with also a female being shot first.
I looked back at my Dec. trip and see that it was males getting shot first and then followed up with a female. Had one stand produce 3 females... Mostly prey distress used with coyote vocals used less than 25% on my stands...
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Randy Roede
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posted February 19, 2011 07:53 PM
Tim, no I have not seen any difference with male or female or whatever they may call it.
I do not believe the label is gender specific.
I use many different WT vocals and my own voice howls. I think the agressive personality of the coyote or coyotes dictates how they react to male, female, prey, etc. Also the time of year.
Toughest thing to do is make a coyote do something his instincts are telling him not to do. Hunger, mating, and young pups make them take risks they normally would not.
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posted March 15, 2011 07:48 PM
As a "general rule of thumb" I assume this time of year if a pair is coming to distress sounds the female is first. If coming to vocalizations the male is in the lead. Obviously i'm watching for some kind of definte sexing clue but i use that rule if i don't see anything else.
Just my two cents i don't have all my data worked up or anything just what i like to go by.
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