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Topic: Arizona Coyotes.........
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bucksnort
Miss Chris from AZ
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posted January 16, 2004 05:23 PM
......from what I have seen, are way down in numbers. I go out to some of my old haunts, and nada,.........no scat, no tracks, and no coyotes.
You can't call what is not there!
How about the rest of you Arizona callers?
[ January 16, 2004, 05:24 PM: Message edited by: bucksnort ]
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Leonard
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posted January 16, 2004 06:02 PM
I haven't been out much, but based on what I have seen, I could agree. I have no clue why?
Good hunting. LB
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Tim Behle
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posted January 16, 2004 06:05 PM
Same here buddy, this valley is empty. I've taken to sneaking up on rocks, just to find something to shoot at. The Jackrabbits have gone the way of the coyote. Can't even plink at them.
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Norm
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posted January 16, 2004 08:22 PM
I have found it is very scattered. One area contains some, 5 miles down the road, nothing...
Most of them have concentrated in the areas with the most cattle... nothing new, but more so this year...
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Locohead
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posted January 16, 2004 09:30 PM
LOL I don't believe a one of you guys. You'd say anything to keep folks sufficiently discouraged from hunting your Mecca!!!! LOL ![[Razz]](tongue.gif) ![[Wink]](wink.gif)
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Steve Craig
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posted January 17, 2004 06:05 AM
Coyote numbers have been on the decline for 3 years now. The bulk of the problem is caused by the drought. Coyotes need water back and away from people to raise pups in the spring. If they do not have it, they have a tough time raising their pups. The last 3 years pup populations have run at about 6% average. It should be around 60%! It doesnt take very many years of this to begin to see reduced coyote numbers in certain areas. Add to this mange, and parvo( the next biggest problem) and numbers continue to dive. Interestingly enough, I havent seen the desert coyotes affected AS BAD as the coyotes in my areas. Probably due to the reduced water there anyway. We had a little more water last spring up here than the previous 2 springs, so there are areas with coyotes and then down the road ,as Norm has seen, nothing. Water tanks in the Rim areas are pretty full right now, and if this holds, should see a good batch of pups this spring. I would be willing to bet that the litter numbers will run around 6 to 12 per litter as well. This usually happens when numbers are low. During high numbers, litters usually run a 3 to 5 average. I also feel that they will eventually adapt to raising litters in the suburbs too, if they havent already. Rich might know more about this. I dont know. I do know that the only complaint calls I am getting is from lion damage. Not a single coyote complaint all summer. Rancher called the other day and said he had lost a total of 12 calves to a lion over a several month period. He had a hound man come in and all that got done was to chase the big cat out of the area,several times. While it did stop the killing for a while, the problem eventually came back. I get called in and a client gets a nice lion, but I do not think it is the same one. Time will tell. Rancher is happy though.
I guess there is good coming from the lower coyote numbers, and that is a higher bobcat population is starting to show up. The down side for me is that I have already found where lions has killed 3 bobcats. They eat every thing except the hair and the upper and lower jaw bones. Most all the hair is licked off before eating. Anyway, enough rambling.
Steve
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bucksnort
Miss Chris from AZ
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posted January 17, 2004 06:42 AM
Loco, I am telling you true - poof, vanished. Come on down and I will take you bird watching. ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
Take care.
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Tim Behle
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posted January 17, 2004 07:20 AM
Loco,
When you get frustrated with Bruce not showing you any coyotes. Come on down here. I've shot most of the birds, but I can show you plenty of rocks to shoot at.
Tim
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Norm
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posted January 17, 2004 08:15 AM
Loco, it's the truth... there is easily 2/3's less coyotes in AZ than there was 2 years ago...
I agree with the Steve, the drought has contributed greatly. We also have groups here that feel it is acceptable to shoot coyotes all year long as they hate the coyote versus having some respect for them and giving the ability to raise their young.
Parvo has taken it's toll on many as well.
Makes for a long day when you expect to see many coyotes and see one or two in a weekend... and those are call shy!!!
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Tim Behle
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posted January 17, 2004 08:36 AM
Norm,
Looks like you've been doing a good job praying for rain.
We got .46" here on Tuesday/Wednesday. I was awakened by thunder at 3:15 this morning, then again by hail a little after 5.
It's been coming down pretty good all morning. Can't see any mountains, the world looks like a big lake. If you come by tomorrow, be sure to put it in 4WD before the pavement on Davis road ends. I'm five miles from pavement, the first two ( the public road part ) is the worst. Once you get to the private maintained roads, it's no problem.
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Norm
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posted January 17, 2004 08:59 AM
I didn't want any rain this week... That will put alot of ground out of reach... guess people will just have to walk a few miles in search of some coyotes to call!
Well, you needed the rain so that is a positive.
See you sometime over the next couple days...
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Locohead
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posted January 17, 2004 09:43 AM
AZ Boyz,
LOL
I do enjoy bird watching and stone killing. Both sound like fun to me! I went calling this morning for a couple of hours and all I saw was teal sliding around in the mud, a few mallards, about 15 jillion geese, a squirrel fooling around in a tree, and a bunch of deer. Man, I love coyote hunting! LOL
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Bryan J
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posted January 17, 2004 09:39 PM
Loco, I don’t think they are pulling your chain. I spent a week in Arizona around the first of December. During that week we saw 7 coyotes, excluding road kill. Of those 7 only two were called up, and only one got a ride in the truck. One place that we hunted, we hunted last year too. Last year we noticed tracks of multiple coyotes going up and down each wash. This year we felt like we were doing pretty good to find single sets in every other wash going one way. And that was the best we found on public or federal land. The hunt did not live up to expectations by any means. On the positive side we did see a few javilena (sp?) something that I had never seen before.
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onecoyote
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posted January 18, 2004 06:03 AM
In my opinion it's not just the drought in Arizona you can blame for low coyote numbers. Nowadays everybody is a predator caller, that may have something to do with it. Never in the history of predator calling have we had so many callers, they come to Arizona and Nevada from all over the country wanting a shot at a coyote. Besides that, you also have G MEN shooting them ( coyotes ) from the air, that puts a big dent in them too. ![[Frown]](frown.gif) I won't live long enough to see it, but I believe coyotes may have a season someday. Don't yell at me for saying that lol, I just happen to think it's going to happen.
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bucksnort
Miss Chris from AZ
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posted January 18, 2004 06:57 AM
Danny, I am with you on the season. I am surprised we don't have one now, with a special over the counter tag at $20.00 and $50.00 for non-resident. Uhhhmmmmmm. Maybe that non-resident tag would solve our problem.
Take care.
PS: I am ducking!
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Cdog911
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posted January 18, 2004 07:28 AM
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DJ in AZ
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posted January 18, 2004 08:18 AM
Last week on saturday we (me and my son) called in nine. On sunday we managed to only to call in two. In some areas the numbers are down, in other areas the numbers are same as they have been in recent years.I think the areas with a constant water source are holding a fair amount of dogs.
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Leonard
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posted January 18, 2004 10:23 AM
I don't have a few misgivings; in fact, I have a lot of them, should coyote ststus be changed.
All I have to do is look back at what has happened to the bobcat, in the last twenty-five years. I do not want regulatory agencies to get their foot in the door.
Look a little further, look at the management of the deer herds in California. It's a total mess.
Look at nonresident applications. No longer over the counter, apply in January. I'm sure many of us like to put our name and money in the lottery, and wait, and endure the disapointment. Imagine doing that with predators. Yeah, I know it can't happen.
All I'm saying is that coyotes are doing very well (thank you) without much protection, at all. There are two reasons for registration, and licensing. Think GUNS. They want our money, and they want CONTROL. I say we need not hand them our head on a platter.
Giving game animal status to coyotes is not a good idea. Sure, the reasons it might be suggested are legit, but wait until you see the results.
I have seen the results in the case of lions, kit fox and bobcat. I don't like the "Regulators" or the Biologists deciding these things. You guys won't like the results, either. I'm betting it will not turn out the way you want.
Good hunting. LB
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Bryan J
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posted January 18, 2004 02:36 PM
I can see Leonard’s point. In my case I can legally take a bobcat in Idaho but I have to have a tag to transport it across state lines. I understand that that is a federal law. It basically makes it next to impossible for me to get the critter home legally. I guess if it was a priority for me to take a bobcat I would see if it were possible to get a transportation tag in advance. I don’t think that would happen because they want the bottom jaw when the tag is issued. To take a bobcat here I have to play the lotto game I have never set steel and would likely not fill any tags anyway. So I don’t bother targeting them.
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DAA
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posted January 18, 2004 02:53 PM
Bryan, they call it a "drawing", for the bobcat tags, but everyone who puts in for them gets all that they apply for (up to the maximum, which is 6 this year).
Just FYI, in case you decide you want to try for them next year, or like me, just have a tag or three in your pocket "just in case".
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Bryan J
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posted January 18, 2004 03:08 PM
DAA
Thanks for correcting me on that one. I haven’t ever looked into it too far. I guess I assumed that to “draw” implied there was a chance I wouldn’t get any.
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Rob
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posted January 18, 2004 03:10 PM
I agree with Leonard it scares me when people start talkin about seasons and hunting regulations for coyotes.Heck the coyote always bounces back like Steve Craig said look for bigger litters.
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Tim Behle
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posted January 18, 2004 07:02 PM
AZ has a season.
July 1 to June 30.
Does it need to be closed for a little longer? Possibly, but that is up to debate. Personally, as one who opposes Government regulations, I'd rather limit myself on when I hunt, than have any Government entity tell me when I can or can not hunt.
If we were to cut out just one third of the season now, then coyote populations rebounded 5 years down the road, then expanded even more till they were becoming a serious heath and Safety issue. The Government wouldn't open that 4 month period. It would just use our tax dollars to pay certain people to do something that I like to do for free.
I'm not willing to give up anything. Want to negotiate? Give me back trapping on Public lands ( 70% of the State ) as a show of good faith.
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Locohead
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posted January 18, 2004 07:39 PM
Only a few years ago Colorado had a season put in place for coyotes. It only lasted a 2-3 years (I think). I suspect the state began paying out too much money on damage from coyotes (depredation). Here is another guess, I really think that coyote numbers GREW!!!!
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Krustyklimber
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posted January 18, 2004 10:56 PM
Psssssst....
Somebody welcome the new guy! ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
Welcome DJ.
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