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Topic: Taking of multiple coyotes?
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Randy Roede
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posted April 05, 2007 11:57 AM
Just looking for a new topic, maybe you all have discussed this before?
When multiple coyotes are coming to the call how do you handle it?
Are you most of the time shooting the closest and easiest?
Trying to shoot a male, female first?
Do you blare away trying to hit the rest running away or wait for a standing shot if terrain allows?
What do ya do to get them to stop?
Recreational callers, contest callers and ADC callers are all going to be different.I have my opionions what's yours?
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posted April 05, 2007 12:31 PM
In the past i have always let the lead coyote get into shotgun range and then dump the back coyote so that the clean up shots are in close range with the shotgun. Or at least that is how its suppose to work ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
Steve Allen of ND brought a good point to me in a conversation on this topic. He always shoots the first coyote so the back one has something visual to think about. It makes sense in the fact the if you shoot the back coyote the lead one only has the sound of the rifle to go and CAN be hard to call back in.
In a contest i always take the sure kill. the one in the hand is better then two in the bush thing.
ADC work shoot the coyote that is working the dogs the least (least aggressive) or if they are both aggressive shoot the bitch IF you can tell.
To stop them i have always just barked
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Wiley E
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posted April 05, 2007 12:33 PM
I try to keep the group bunched up as much as possible on their way in. Howling in combination with distress calls helps that situation as opposed to creating a race to the chow line.
Secondly, I try to get the furthest animal within gun range and wait for the closest animal to be within shotgun or easy running rifle shot range (50 - 75 yards in front of me with enough area for a good running shot or two). Once the far animal is within gun range I'll stop it and take it and take the close coyote on the run.
I pack a shotgun during competition hunts for hard charging multiples. If that doesn't work, I'll switch over to missles.
If that doesn't work, I'll just range the coyote for you and tell you how much to allow for the wind and you can shoot it just like before. LOL!
Like Jr. says, "RANGE, DIAL, AND SMILE".
To stop them I'll usually bark and/or wave a dark object depending on habitat. I usually try to leave my face exposed which stops them in their tracks. LOL!
Disclaimer: This information is not intended for Smithers as he already knows all of this.
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[ April 05, 2007, 12:35 PM: Message edited by: Wiley E ]
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Wiley E
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posted April 05, 2007 12:37 PM
ND,
I do the same thing as Steve Allen if they are tight and for the same reasons. Rolling a coyote up in front of another coyote can at times confuse the follower or followers.
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[ April 05, 2007, 12:38 PM: Message edited by: Wiley E ]
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Leonard
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posted April 05, 2007 12:54 PM
I'll give you another reason why I take the close in chip shot. Broken cover, such as we have in many parts of Arizona, not only can a coyote miss the action happening in front of him, because he is intermitantly blocked out, but they both might not not be visible at the same time? A big consideration is that they (both) can be out of sight in a flash, so if you take out the back animal, the close in animal is gone before you even get a chance to reacquire. This game is a lot different than the wide open prairies. I don't think it is ever wrong to take the lead animal, regardless of other considerations.
Now, in places where visibility is not a factor, I play each situation on it's own merits, no hard and fast rule.
Good hunting. LB
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Randy Roede
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posted April 05, 2007 01:14 PM
Ok I'm going to try and put a picuture with what I do, these three coyotes laying in the wheat ground in front of the flowers were part of a four pack that came in out of that flower field.
This was an extremely tight area to work, An oil road 200 yards behind me, a gravel road 200 yards to my left,only about 125 yards of open country to shoot in.
They all rolled out pretty much together and I let them come to about 40 yards in front of me, about the where the grass starts in the bottom of the photo.I looked for an adult, no A on it's forehead or anything just based on size it was the one on the far right hanging behind all the rest. I shot him first, it turned out to be the old male, next target was the one in the middle as she stopped to look at Pa, YOY female, third was the one on the far left a running shot before he, YOY male, got to the flowers, fourth one, 10 more yards of cover and it was in trouble.
In this timeframe I like to take adults if possible, I like to put the YOY in a where did mom or dad go panic. They tend to stop and call back if needed. It's not always easy to determine the adults but mannerisms, size will give you a good idea.
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posted April 05, 2007 01:33 PM
Tight country or at night I take the lead every time. Open country, which I don't get to that often. I definitely try for the trailer first. Not being a crack shot I have a slim chance of stopping the first inside 125.
I yell, "Hey! Stop or i'll shoot"
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posted April 05, 2007 02:08 PM
Randy, where are all the houses and major highways?? LOL
I don’t have a set rule for doubles during breeding season. Usually go with the situation, generally I try and take the less aggressive coyote first. The follower I guess you’d call it. I have found that the more aggressive coyote is easier to get stopped for a shot at him or her. The best sound I have found for stopping that coyote is coyote distress on my power howler. Several times I have even got them to come back closer with a threat howl.
We don’t get many doubles here in Ohio other than early fall when the YOY and parents are still together and breeding season. For the early season hunts with multiples I’ll shoot the YOY first then go for the older coyotes with vocals. Seems to work good that way for me here.
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posted April 05, 2007 02:39 PM
I shoot a lot of coyotes in multiple shot conditions. I think it's important to watch the coyotes. And carefully picking the shots goes a long ways in helping to get more than one of them. When I can, I always shoot the one furthermost from me. I know the closer one is a lot easier to make a hit on. But, I try to work them so the closer one is running in the open, after the shot is made on the farther out one. Some days are better than others.
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Wiley E
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posted April 05, 2007 02:46 PM
Randy,
You used decoy dogs on this triple correct?
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Randy Roede
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posted April 05, 2007 03:00 PM
No Scott, no dogs!!
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Wiley E
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posted April 05, 2007 03:04 PM
Why not?
Dogs may have allowed you to kill all four.
WT?
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Leonard
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posted April 05, 2007 03:12 PM
Dogs? We don't need no stinkin' dogs!
edit: Now, who else would criticize killing three out of four, but Brother Scott?
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Wiley E
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posted April 05, 2007 03:24 PM
Who was criticizing a triple brother Leonard?
I simply asked the question why Randy didn't use his decoy dogs on this stand since it's obviously summer time.
If you don't think decoy dogs will increase your percentages on adult coyotes in group situations like this Leonard you are mistaken. I have killed 5 of 6 with decoy dogs and I wouldn't have touched that percentage without them.
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Randy Roede
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posted April 05, 2007 03:26 PM
Leonard your right!!
Scott,I was just looking back in my journal and was also working beaver also so guessing that was the reason.My dog box takes up most of the box and I'll bet I had it full of beaver equipment.
This chunk of my area I was working that day was mostly coyotes out of row crops, 6 of the 8 killed came out of row crops.
Dogs would have been great but just didn't have them that day.As we've talked dogs in some of my country don't always improve your odds.
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Randy Roede
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posted April 05, 2007 03:28 PM
Forgot Bro, big ten four on the WT!!!
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Wiley E
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posted April 05, 2007 03:33 PM
What was Leonard right about Randy?
That you don't need no stinkin dogs or that you believe I was criticizing your triple?
Great job on the triple without dogs pard!
I was just curious why you didn't use them and you answered.
Everyone seems a little punchy today. Must be the weather.
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Randy Roede
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posted April 05, 2007 03:47 PM
Dog no dog, this scenario like Scott stated wouldn't have happened without the dog. The five coyotes all came from one stand with the old male takin first a YOY second , Momma third, a YOY on top of momma fourth,another YOY on top of momma fifth, the momma showed three fetal scars so I'm pretty sure we got the whole works. The dog was a huge asset.
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posted April 05, 2007 03:50 PM
These days i don't see alot of multables, a double once in a while but mostly singles. The area i call is pretty rough so i take the one that gives me the best shot. I stop them with a bark or wave my hand. As of late most of the coyotes come sneaking in and i work them the best i can to get them to exspose themself and then try to take him out..
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posted April 05, 2007 03:54 PM
I think it would work best to try to get them all in a line and then use a really big gun like a .458 and get them all with one shot.
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Wiley E
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posted April 05, 2007 03:55 PM
Bet the cattle loved eating that bale.
Hahaha! Just kidding!
Don't want you to think Leonard's right about criticizing a triple let alone a 5 stand.
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Wiley E
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posted April 05, 2007 03:59 PM
I think it's time to tell you guys that it's really been a privelage working with high quality men like Randy Roede and his calling partner Brent VanderLey. They are both top notch coyote killers from all standpoints (calling, trapping, snaring, M-44s, and aerial hunting). I'm really proud to be a part of such a talented team of coyote killers. We live the good life.
Still wonder how those cows are going to like that bale. Oh well, they need some to lay on too right? LOL!
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posted April 05, 2007 05:24 PM
I typically take the first one in. If I have one 50 yards farther out, but I can shoot it without adjusting my hold on sticks or bipod, I will take that shot. If they are all grouped up I shoot the largest. I stop them with the following sounds in sequence until one works: lip squeek, bark, howl, hand wave. After the shot I go to ki-yi's and hope for a stand and look back. If I think they are heavily pressured or I forgot to get my call in a handy place, I will try a running shot.
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posted April 05, 2007 05:26 PM
I try not to think to much
So if there is more then one target running in,
I just set the cross hairs on the lead dog and fire, then just start in at the rest ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
What ever target I pick up in my cross hairs next is the one i bust the primer on
Let the body's hit the floor
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Randy Roede
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posted April 05, 2007 09:45 PM
Ya know Scott the producer was right there when we took the picture,in fact he helped me get them to stay up on the bale, I had a seasonal ride along that day also and the producer never even brought that up!In fact old Eldon's only comments were that he was sure those were the ones. He had told me about this group when we drove in and included himself as well he should in the whole event. Never underestimate landowner information.
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