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Topic: "Call shy" coyotes
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jimanaz
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posted December 28, 2010 09:03 AM
After reading this thread front to back I really have nothing to offer on the topic. Nearly every angle has been opined, repeated, rebutted, and reinforced. Not necessarily in that order. For the most part, a very stimulating exchange. Something common for this part of the World Wide Web.
At this point, the only thing I feel compelled to share is a quote read some ~45 years ago that has really stuck with me over the years because it remains timelessly relevant.
From Lucy Van Pelt, of Peanuts fame: "You know, if you were half as smart as you think you are, you wouldn't think you were so smart."
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TA17Rem
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posted December 28, 2010 11:12 AM
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Are these coyotes that wait til dark to approach exhibiting a learned behavior attributed to being 'call shy'? Or is this just the cautious nature of an adult coyote, akin to a big buck waiting to enter a crop field after dark?
Here it has to do with the comfort level of each coyote.. In one section you can have a coyote that will just step out of the cover and stand there and then go down the road aways and have another just bust out into the open heading for the sound.
Right now I'm dealing with deep snow and the coyotes will just come up out of the cover and pace back and fourth and not wanting to go out into the deep snow...
We got a good crust last nite and the coyotes where moveing most everywhere so now the calling should pick up in the next couple of nights if visability is good...
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Leonard
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posted December 28, 2010 12:29 PM
That's surprisingly profound, jimbo. I like it.
Good hunting. LB
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jimanaz
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posted December 28, 2010 03:20 PM
Obviously Leonard, I was impressed with it as well to have packed it around for this long. It can be applied in sooo many instances.
Also obvious that it sailed harmlessly over it's intended target, just as I suspected it would. One of those things in life you can pretty much count on.
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TA17Rem
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posted December 28, 2010 03:25 PM
If you are refering to me, I paid no attension to it. I thought you were talking about Leonard. ![[Wink]](wink.gif)
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Leonard
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posted December 28, 2010 03:29 PM
Too funny!
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jimanaz
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posted December 28, 2010 03:48 PM
SCORE!! Chalk one up for Mr. Coyote. Kudos, Tim.
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TA17Rem
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posted December 28, 2010 04:20 PM
LOL.. Sorry Leonard..
Jim I know we have bumped heads before in the past and I was'nt looking to bust youre balls things just happened. I heard that you are a good caller in youre area and even call better than Paul M. ( just yanking the chain Paul)so for whats its worth you have my respect.
Now I have to get to the store before it closes to get some more popcorn..
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Wily E
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posted December 29, 2010 06:45 AM
I can remember a number of negative coyote responses to various calling techniques but some really stand out over the others. I can remember another particular coyote that was "call shy", "caller shy", "calling shy", or whatever you would like to call it.
Typical call stand set up. I had walked in 2 miles. Everything was right. Saw coyote come to quarter mile from west and kept running in a big circle until it was 1/4 mile east. It never stopped running. I saw what was happening when it wouldn't stop so I grabbed my shooting sticks and rifle and ran to the top of the hill behind me only to watch coyote ass run over the hill to the east (downwind).
Now stop and consider this coyote's behavior in comparison to the coyotes that ran to the top of the hill and started warning barking. This particular coyote was interested in the sound enough to circle 1/4 mile downwind on a dead run but was shy enough not to committ without knowing first.
Later found out the local flavor had been calling this area repeatedly. Situations like this are becoming more frequent every day.
I have absolutely no doubts that coyotes can differentiate between what is real and what is reproduced once they start looking for those differences after a few bad experiences. Seen too many observations of coyote behavior to think otherwise. I was just curious if anyone else had reasons for believing the same thing.
In these discussions, I have always tried to consider and list the many variables that affect coyote behavior that change from place to place and time to time in order to have a meaningful discussion on coyote behavior that also changes from place to place and time to time. With all those variables considered, when pressed, coyotes can differentiate sounds far better than most would like to give them credit for.
In the legitimate livestock protection business, we don't deal with the new crop of coyotes, we deal with the old crop which tends to taint our perspective. In contrast, recreational callers just go look for another spot in hopes of better success.
There is reasons for coyote behavior. Sometimes we figure it out and a lot of times we don't but there is reasons for everything they do even if that happens to be a need for rest or simply uninterested.
Knockem: "Are these coyotes that wait til dark to approach exhibiting a learned behavior attributed to being 'call shy'? Or is this just the cautious nature of an adult coyote, akin to a big buck waiting to enter a crop field after dark?"
Don't know what qualifies as a "pro" but I'll give you my thoughts. With any increase in human activity that relates to negative experiences for coyotes, you will find an increase in nocturnal movements. We see a lot of that in Eastern SD. The Hollywood type coyotes are the opposite end of the spectrum. They're not bothered by much and they are totally surrounded with human activity. Since that human activity rarely poses a threat, they move around as they will.
~SH~
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Leonard
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posted December 29, 2010 08:51 AM
Scott, it works inversely as well.
In areas where there is a lot of night time spotlighting, like (the usual suspects) recreational Utes flashing the Nevada blacktops, you see extremely light shy coyotes, and have much better responses on daylight stands.
This is not normal, these Charley Browns create the situation.
That's my story and I'm sticking to it. LB
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tlbradford
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posted December 29, 2010 02:22 PM
Tim - In your video, what were those coyotes looking at? A parked car, a house, ...? They weren't acting call shy. They saw something that kept them from coming out into that field.
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Rich
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posted December 30, 2010 08:36 AM
tlbradford,
Do ya think maybe the coyote saw some guy over there rotating a speaker 360 degrees? Nah, a coyote would never see that. ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
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Leonard
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posted December 30, 2010 09:21 AM
Tim, I know that I speak for many wanting to know exactly how you handle your stand. We need video, and you need a partner filming you from a safe distance.
I would like to see your set up, and using the speaker over your head and the 360 sweeps, and where you put it when you eventually sit down, and how much time elapses before you sit down?
All in favor, say AYE!
Good hunting. LB
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tlbradford
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posted December 30, 2010 12:32 PM
Didn't AR Shaw put up an interview with Tim that told all about his methods?
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TA17Rem
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posted December 30, 2010 02:04 PM
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Didn't AR Shaw put up an interview with Tim that told all about his methods?
How would AR Shaw know anything about my methods.
He only saw me hold the caller up once while we were in a catus patch and setting up on the low ground which I never give to the coyote. Since I was'nt driveing I did'nt have much choice for stand selection...
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Tim, I know that I speak for many wanting to know exactly how you handle your stand. We need video, and you need a partner filming you from a safe distance.
I would like to see your set up, and using the speaker over your head and the 360 sweeps, and where you put it when you eventually sit down, and how much time elapses before you sit down?
Like I have said time over time I don't hold the caller over my head, except for the time in NM. due to the cactus patch. But also to my understanding there are hunters down that way that call standing up with some sort of backing so whats the diff.'s.
You've hunted with Scott and seen how he sets up, I do it the same way. Nothing magical just have to read the land and have a understanding of how the coyotes come in in this type of area..
I'm not standing when I work the caller from side to side, thats just some nonsense that Cronk imbedded into everyone's head.
Leonard if you are sitting at youre desk just pick up youre coffee cup with youre left hand and point it to the left and then move it to the right and sit it down or move it back to the left and set it down on youre left side. Not much movement and the coyotes see nothing..
Its not rocket science, just something I do to insure the sound gets out there. You can look at some of the old vidio's where the coyotes come in from the side but work there way to the front of the caller. (thats the magic)
I know when you call at night you do the same so you can get the coyotes to look right at you when they come in, makes it easey to see there eye's. Right???
Well thats what I also want, I don't want coyotes hanging up behind some structure or bushes,out in front and in the open thats what I want.. Game over for them.
My numbers have gone up every year if there are coyote around to begin with, and because of the way I choose my stands and how the coyotes come in I don't miss many either, just the way it is..
Go back and read my posts and try to understand what I was saying and then go read Cal.s post, he does a better job of explaining it but you will see that we are both on the same page..OK
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tlbradford
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posted December 30, 2010 02:31 PM
I pulled a Krusty and went back and found the interview. TA will be here for the Q&A session following the video.
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Tim - What were those coyotes looking at in your video.
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TA17Rem
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posted December 30, 2010 02:47 PM
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Tim - What were those coyotes looking at in your video.
Don't know for sure as they could'nt tell me.
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tlbradford
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posted December 30, 2010 03:06 PM
So what was your point in posting those videos if you can't answer simple questions about the stand and the coyotes behavior?
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TA17Rem
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posted December 30, 2010 03:18 PM
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They weren't acting call shy.
Well then that rules out the f-p being used in my area or any other type of calls.
A friend saw the vidio and noticed something about them, was just checking to see if anyone else could spot it..
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Krustyklimber
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posted December 30, 2010 03:37 PM
TA "It's not rocket science."
It's not any kind of science, it's called speculation.
Krusty 
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tlbradford
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posted December 30, 2010 04:19 PM
Is the guy that spotted "something" one of the "crew", who is probably circling the coyotes in his pick-up to push them off the private property so you can shoot them?
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TA17Rem
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posted December 30, 2010 07:56 PM
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Is the guy that spotted "something" one of the "crew", who is probably circling the coyotes in his pick-up to push them off the private property so you can shoot them?
As usual you are wrong again. The person that took notice is a member on this site ..Not as bright as you thought you were.. ![[Roll Eyes]](rolleyes.gif)
The property and deer yard are in the middle of a 1/4 section, which is ajoined to a 2 1/2 mile section. The road in the vidio is on the left side of screen out of view and a little more than a 1/4 of a mile from my stand... The deer yard is located in the S-E quarter and the coyotes are on the northside of the grove and I was north of them sitting against a terrace.
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tlbradford
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posted December 30, 2010 08:05 PM
I admit I should have put a big (sarcasm) next to my previous statement. I'll further admit that I blame myself for getting into this discussion about a video that has no bearing whatsoever on the topic, and is not even a tangent that is somewhat useful to anybody. I'm going to go watch football and try to forget how dumb I am am to get suckered into this conversation.
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TA17Rem
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posted December 30, 2010 08:17 PM
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I admit I should have put a big (sarcasm) next to my previous statement. I'll further admit that I blame myself for getting into this discussion about a video that has no bearing whatsoever on the topic, and is not even a tangent that is somewhat useful to anybody. I'm going to go watch football and try to forget how dumb I am am to get suckered into this conversation.
The topic is call shy coyotes thats what the vidio was showing or seemed to show..
If you could read a coyotes body lauguage even just a little bit maybe you could catch on to what I was asking.. You did'nt get suckered in, you showed up on purpose just to take a few cheap shots but it backfired on ya..
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posted December 30, 2010 08:50 PM
Member of this site? Would have to be AR Shaw. What do I win?
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