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TA17Rem
Hello, I'm the legendary Tim Anderson, Field Marshall, Southern Minneesota Sector
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posted May 12, 2010 06:11 PM
Andy; It depends on what gun I'm useing at the time if its a 17 rem. with 25 gr. bullets I will get a few from time to time. If I'm useing the 17 Pred. I have only had 2 spinners with that rifle since I've had it. Like i said I've never taken a coyote past 550 yds with any of my 17 cal.s, but I would'nt be affraid to take the shot if i get it.. I did mention one time i took a Red fox at 756 yds with my 22-250 ackley, it took about five shots but got it done.. Of course you wouldbe lucky if you could do it in 20 shots.. ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
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Cdog911
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posted May 12, 2010 07:09 PM
Tim,
I'll 'splain it to you....
That story was when I used a Mini-14. .223Rem. For five years, I've been using a .22-250 because I really don't care for the .223 as a consistently good coyote rifle.
Now, as far as being a bad shot, I've seen better than me, I've seen worse than me. I proudly sit someplace in the middle and can just as proudly say that both of my regular gunners know they better shoot fast when the opportunity presents itself or they'll be doing clean up. I don't really see the need to be able to kill coyotes at 500 yards because, 1) my gun isn't as effective as some at that range and I recognize my limits, 2) I walk for a living. The last thing I wanna do when I'm out recreating is to walk any further than I have to. And, 3) I can put that sumbitch in your mustache if you like them that close, and I've got witnesses to that boast. LOL
Going along with what Cal said, I use the 55-grn VMax now and very much prefer a broadside shot where I can punch them in the close-side shoulder. I always aim for the shoulder. With a 1-inch or so depth where that bullet comes apart, I hope that the energy of the round will be expended upon impact with that scapula and that the scaplua will blow all to hell and send about a ba-jillion pieces of bone fragment through the thorax, each one creating its own hellacious wound channel. Also, I really like the meat report. Bnag.... WHOP!
I use one rifle for coyotes and only one. It suits me and I'm proficient with it because it fits me almost perfectly. I used to see guys come to the range with a duffle bag full of sidearms to qualify and they were moderately okay with most of them, but not real good with any of them. After watching these guys muck up a half-dozen silhouettes, the range master finally put a 2-gun limit on things - your duty sidearm and your back up, if you had one. Nothing more. It was qualifying, not a friggin' gun show.
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3 Toes
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posted May 12, 2010 07:12 PM
LB, I knew by the bullets and calibers that you prefer that you subscribe to the theory that I do mostly. I prefer a gun/bullet combo that I can get into where a coyote lives from any angle regardless of the mess. I have played around with some light stuff successfully though. The 35 Berger in the 204 works, but I don't know why. The 50 Berger in the 20x47 Lapua seems to have a rather devastating effect and turns bone to mush. I have had two exit out the back with football size holes but the rest have just turned to jelly. I am impressed so far.
[ May 12, 2010, 07:13 PM: Message edited by: 3 Toes ]
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TOM64
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posted May 12, 2010 07:33 PM
I've switched to 77 gr SMK's in my 223's and still believe in the 50 gr NBT in both my 22-250 and 223's. But runners and spinners do occur, center and shoot. I'm too old for the running crap.
One thing I know is not all bullets wind up where I want them to go, so you got to be prepared.
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Krustyklimber
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posted May 12, 2010 07:39 PM
Andy,
If they did teach it in college, there's no fricken way you'd get me to take the course! Regular linear equations are kickin' my ass.
The one great thing about math, though, is that it tells the truth. And if it isn't telling the truth, one can prove it.
Lance,
Count me out, I've never had a spinner... yet.
But the majority (2:3) have required a follow up shot. Both, more than likely, the result of a lack of patience. They were dead, they just didn't know it yet, and neither did I.
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Andy L
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posted May 12, 2010 07:52 PM
No Tim, I wouldnt have taken 20 shots to get lucky enough to hit that fox.
I wouldnt have taken that shot. I have more respect for game than that. I would have either gotten closer by sneaking, driving or calling. Thats a long ways with a little bullet and a lot of things can happen between you and it and your damn sure not smart enough to figure it out without some flags. You just got shithouse lucky. That coupled with no morals will get you some foxes at long yardages.
Either that or you just flat ass lied about how far it was? Im just saying, you gotta look at all the possibilities. However, I doubt a big TV star like you would lie...
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TA17Rem
Hello, I'm the legendary Tim Anderson, Field Marshall, Southern Minneesota Sector
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posted May 12, 2010 09:44 PM
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I wouldnt have taken that shot. I have more respect for game than that.
What the diff's weither a animal is shot at 15 ft or 500 yds. dead is dead..
Respect for a animal starts the minute you pull the trigger and continues on from there.
If you would go out and get a little exercise and set up a few targets and do a little practiceing you would find that targets at 3-4-5-600 yds are'nt that difficult to hit if you know youre rifle and how to dial it in..
I had a member from another site come over to my place last year and took him out to the range and set a target up for him at 500 yds. This guy never shot a rifle before other than a 22 L.R. and after a little instruction I let him have at it with the 17 Pred. and think he did pretty dam good for a first timer.. You could possably do just as well if you practiced doing it rather than sitting on the couch saying it can't be done or its all luck..
The V.H. has a Mr. coyote contest every July ( shooting event ) In Pierre S.D. you should seriously think about comeing up to it and see how its done and if you got the balls you could even enter.
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TA17Rem
Hello, I'm the legendary Tim Anderson, Field Marshall, Southern Minneesota Sector
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posted May 12, 2010 10:12 PM
Cal brought up a good point as far as where to shoot a coyote. If a shooter has a good solid bullet with plenty of energy and dose'nt care about the hides then the shoulder would be the perfect place to hit them to break them down. The down side if the bullet is'nt up to the job is a 3 legged runner with only bone damage to the shoulder and surface tissue..
What i like to do and have had good luck doing it is shoot just behind the shoulder and a little high. From examining my dead coyotes I've found the 30 gr. gold just bores a 17 cal hole through the rib-cage and then destructs in the vitals with massive bleeding. sometimes i get a through and through but most times it just stays inside.
For frontal shots i aim for the base of the neck and found that the 30 gr. penatrates 12" or more... I shot one coyote last season just below the shoulder through the leg bone. After skinning I found that the bullet bored a 17 cal. hole through the leg bone and went into the chest cavity destroying everything inside..
From what Cal says about his 20x47 L it sounds like its performing the same as the 17 Pred.
with just a little more punch to it.. I'm glad its working out well for him and can't wait to bloody mine..
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DanS
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posted May 12, 2010 10:19 PM
LB,
At that campout, I shot the first cat with the 223 AI using a 60gr VMax, at close range. Fur was/is pretty nice, big ass bruised area on the inside. Surprised me, I was expecting lots of damage.
Second cat was shot with the 204 with a 35gr Berger. Tiny hole in, no exit. He was probably about 120 yards or so out.
Neither spun or ran. ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
Had a lot of fun up there at the higher elevation. I've never hunted areas like that before. It is quite different from what I'm used to here in Missouri.
Too bad you missed out on that campout Andy.
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Andy L
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posted May 13, 2010 05:28 AM
Tim, you will never get it, so theres no need in tryin to splain it to ya.
Dammit, DanS showed up. Guess I gotta quit pickin on him and his spray and pray style.
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Paul Melching
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posted May 13, 2010 06:24 AM
As I recall it was at the campout before last and it was Dannys (loco) cat that was a bit tore up .
Dans arrived on wed. afternoon and I peeled his first cat it had massive internal damage and no exit, Either Ta or one of the trappers maybe Don Rolla skinned his second I remember eatin the backstraps.
Thinkin about it when and where is the next one gonna be?
edited to add loco
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Leonard
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posted May 13, 2010 07:36 AM
campout
Thinking that the only way to get Cal there, MAYBE is to hold it in Gillette?
OR. The only way to get Dave there, is to hold it in SLC!
MacNeal is pretty much hunted out by DanS and other drive bys.
Need to ponder that subject. LB
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TA17Rem
Hello, I'm the legendary Tim Anderson, Field Marshall, Southern Minneesota Sector
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posted May 13, 2010 07:37 AM
I believe youre right Paul, it was Loco cat that was a little on the small side and had the guts hanging out..I skinned one out for Dan and it was in great shape with no hide damage..
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Leonard
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posted May 13, 2010 07:42 AM
Loco skinned a gray fox that looked like it had been machinegunned. All nighter, too.
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TA17Rem
Hello, I'm the legendary Tim Anderson, Field Marshall, Southern Minneesota Sector
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posted May 13, 2010 07:44 AM
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Tim, you will never get it, so theres no need in tryin to splain it to ya.
Whats to get??? You respect the animal right up to when you kill it and thats as far as it goes..
I have enough respect for it that I go as far as takeing it home and peeling the hide and then stretch and dry it before its sold and if i would happen to make a bad hit on one I don't let some fucking dog chew on it for 15 minutes or more...
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Leonard
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posted May 13, 2010 08:00 AM
Andy, he's calling you out! What you gonna do 'bout it? Give him a timeout?
You're about this close to locking this one up, aren't you? Let's take it to the back room. ![[Mad]](mad.gif)
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tlbradford
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posted May 13, 2010 09:50 AM
I try to time the spin and go center mass when they are broadside. I figure if I have a spinner I already have a big hole in them anyways and I don't really feel like tracking them any further than I have to.
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posted May 13, 2010 10:08 AM
Tim,
I agree with Andy--I have too much respect for any critter to take a shot at 756 yards. Here in these parts, that's about 130 yards less than 1/2 mile.
Great for you if you can do it, I know I can't, but maybe Minnesota yards are 1/2 the length as Kansas yards? ![[Wink]](wink.gif)
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Dave Allen
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posted May 13, 2010 12:22 PM
All this fighting and bickering needs to stop !
I cant take it anymore ! I thought we were all supposed to be on the same side ? You guys should be directing your efforts towards the Anti's !
I sent Lonny a pm and requested that the mods just lock this one down !
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posted May 13, 2010 12:38 PM
Dave,
Sorry about that--maybe it is time that I do a post about what a good job the mods are doing, or say 'Why can't we just all get along', or post a pic of a little bunny?
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Andy L
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posted May 13, 2010 12:42 PM
Im closer than this close to locking this down!!
See you in the back room Elbee we gotta do something about this.
Oh, Tim, Im quite sure some of your long range spinners have suffered much longer than a spinner Tagger gets his choppers into. Change that minutes to seconds. Its way faster than you can get another bullet in one. LMAO
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TA17Rem
Hello, I'm the legendary Tim Anderson, Field Marshall, Southern Minneesota Sector
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posted May 13, 2010 01:09 PM
How quick did tagger kill that coyote you and Loco cripled a few years back at the camp-out??? You know the one down by the river. It took what 3 hits before you finally finished it off and this was at close range.. So much for respect for the coyote..LOL ![[Razz]](tongue.gif)
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Andy L
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posted May 13, 2010 01:48 PM
I shot the coyote in the chest, loco shot the coyote in the ribs, he tipped over. We had no dog, numb nuts. Then he drug himself up in the brush on the bank. Loco and Tyler waded the river and Tyler unloaded a 380 into him. I dont know how many shots connected and how many shots missed.
As for my shot, I center punched him with a 204, 32gr VMax (I since learned I dont like how they perform on coyotes.) Loco shot him through the ribs with a 243 and I think 100 gr bullet, complete passthru. Niether of us knew the other shot. We shot at exactly the same time. If it werent for Tyler between us, we would have been fighting over who shot that coyote.
Anyway, you picked a bad one for arguing about spinners. This coyote was not a spinner. He drug himself up a 6 inch bank, maybe 3 feet into the brush. He would have died in minutes, probably was dead cause Tyler was itchin to shoot something with that 380. Takin the lead he took in the places he took it, he should have been dead. And, there was no dog on the stand, or in the truck, I didnt bring one dipshit, so true to form, you picked a instance that has nothing to do with spinning coyotes or dogs to kill them.
But I did get to see a crazy Mexican and a crazy boy from Snotsdale wade a river while getting eat up by some black bugs that were hovering over the river, to retrive a coyote that we hauled back to camp to thow in a pile and let rot.
Seemed to make perfect sense to them. I got a good chuckle out of it.
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posted May 13, 2010 02:45 PM
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Snotsdale
Hehe.
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TA17Rem
Hello, I'm the legendary Tim Anderson, Field Marshall, Southern Minneesota Sector
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posted May 13, 2010 02:47 PM
On my last post i was'nt talking about spinners but respect for the coyote that you seem to hold so highly.. From what I just read it seems you don't have any... ![[Confused]](confused.gif)
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