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Paul Melching
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posted May 21, 2010 06:47 AM
Fred
Thats exactly what I was reffering to some people are more passionate about it than others no right or wrong way here.
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Leonard
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posted May 21, 2010 08:48 AM
Yeah, maybe? But I don't need no stinking turrets. I need a flat shooting rifle that kills reliably out to the very rare shot at 500 yards and that's usually at a cripple or one that has stopped and posed for a long time and I feel tempted. I try to keep my shots to around 400 yards, at night and probably much less than that, on a day stand. But, when you consider all the things that can happen with multiples, there will be the one that manages to escape while working a bolt, and other reasons. And, waiter, please, a little truth serum cocktail for those other guys, not our members, of course. I can kill every one, the only limitation is how many cartridges I have in my pocket. ![[Wink]](wink.gif)
Good hunting. LB
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knockemdown
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posted May 21, 2010 09:10 AM
Nope Leonard, you don't need turrets then. You need a .17Pred!
If only one could be had in a machine gun... ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
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Leonard
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posted May 21, 2010 09:23 AM
No, really, it's because I have seen the evil. Had a friend that had target turrets and while night hunting the cord got entangled around those protruding turrets and flipped the rifle out of the truck while spotlighting at 40 miles per hour. Got it all dirty, and knocked off the zero, which didn't matter anyway since he can't see for shit at night.
Reasons galore, but that cured me right now!
gOOD HUNTING. lb
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JohnLK
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posted May 21, 2010 11:43 AM
I know that the Ballistic Plex Reticle sure is handy on my single bolt pistol. Some places I hunt I don't know if the shot will be at  150yds. or  250yds. or  330yds.I have shot as far as 410yds. Doing it this way may not be for everyone but I enjoy it.
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posted May 21, 2010 02:00 PM
Nice pistol!
As for turrets, BDC,Target, whatever... they are for easy zeroing for new loads or extreme snipers. Truth is, if you know what your round will do at given ranges the biggest problem then becomes knowing the exact distance. Holdover is not much of a problem out to 400 and maybe even 500yds if you've shot your rifle enough. I'd worry more about terminal ballistics at that range.
Calling predators is about getting them in close so why all the worry about killing something in the next county? Seems it might be fun to shoot at 300-400 yds but beyond that becomes work and that's NOT why I like to hunt!
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Leonard
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posted May 21, 2010 02:20 PM
Holy shit! What have I done? This 24/7 Okie is already starting to mutate!
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Inoculation
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posted May 21, 2010 05:52 PM
Shooting at coyotes past 300yds..... ![[Roll Eyes]](rolleyes.gif)
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Leonard
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posted May 21, 2010 06:27 PM
JohnLK:
That series of photographs? Are they staged posed, taken by another person? Is what is in the circle a coyote? I don't get it? Where did you find the time to line a camera up with the scope. What is going on, what are you trying to say? Again; I do not get it?
Good hunting. LB
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JohnLK
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posted May 21, 2010 09:07 PM
I hope I didn’t do something wrong. The pictures where taken by myself from the same spot but on 3 different days after I was done hunting. The red circle is where the coyote is after the shot. I used the paint feature that’s on my computer. Just trying to show a place where spinning turrets or ballistic reticles are nice to have. I am shooting a 70gr bullet at 3150fps from a 243win with a 15” barrel and using a ballistic plex recticle or spinning turrets makes longer shots easier to do. Even at reduced velocities. I don’t understand why someone would against them if you can make them work for you. I found out that it is harder than heck to line a camera up thru a pistol scope with the pistols grip resting on my knee.
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Leonard
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posted May 21, 2010 09:25 PM
Of course you didn't do anything wrong. However, without explanation, I'm sure you can understand my confusion?
Good hunting. LB
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4949shooter
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posted May 22, 2010 03:35 AM
John,
Is the orange on the back of your seat a carryover from deer season? Or is it something you do in order to keep from getting shot in the back while hunting predators?
Just curious. When I was a young law enforcement
officer we had a couple suspects bail out of a stolen car on the Jersey Turnpike. There was an old time cop that showed up on the scene who put his hat on backwards before we went searching for the suspects in the cattails. The cop was from a different agency and my partner and I didn't know him. We must have been looking at him with a "What the hell?" expression. He told us the reason he puts his hat on backwards is because he wants to avoid being shot in the back by another cop.
It made sense to us at the time.
Sorry for the digression all, but John's photo made think of this.
Anyhoo, the old cop ended up retiring and moving out to western NJ. He somehow met a friend of mine, and we all met for breakfast one morning and the old guy remembered me. Harry is a Korean war veteran. He is in his eighties and is still kicking, and taking Viagra.
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JohnLK
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posted May 22, 2010 06:28 AM
Yes I can understand that I can be little short on explaining things. I also know that a caller can set themselves up for a short distance shot by using the terrain. But there is places where you just never know what will happen. I think there is some neat info in the pictures that have nothing to do with the topic. You read a lot on how you can’t call a coyote out of heavy cover into the wide open during the day (a very sunny day) east of the Mississippi river. Also that you should bury yourself deep into the brush and don’t face the sun so the coyotes can’t see you and have the wind at your back. Hell, I did everything wrong. As for the seat, In Michigan when you’re on the move you have to wear hunter orange and when you are on stand you can take it off. The neat thing about that seat is you can sit just about any where and have a backrest. It carries like a backpack. Some places might take a 1/2hr to hike into and it makes it easy to carry things.
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TA17Rem
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posted May 22, 2010 12:10 PM
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Are you always letting him in too close and need to shoot at a moving animal, or do you know exactly what he will do and deal with it?
In my area once in awhile I'll get the unexspected coyote, but for the norm they come from the direction I'm broadcasting the sound to.
If a broadcast the sound from side to side and out in front on my stands then i get coyotes that can pop-up almost anywhere. On most stands the coyotes that come in from the side will work there way to 10:00 or 2:00 position and then stop and look and some will stop directly in front of the caller..
If you would look at a few of Les johnsons vidio's you will notice his coyotes come in from the left and right and straight out and as they move in closer they start to head for the source of the sound. Once the coyotes are directly in front of the caller some will come straight in and some will then head to the down wind side..
if a caller calls straight out in front or into the wind thats where most of the coyotes are going to come from and if you call to the left and right also you are going to get a few that come in from there as well..Most callers think it was just a coyote sneaking in on the downwind side when actually the coyote was already there to start with and came straight in..
so if you don't want them comeing in from the side don't call in that direction or do it towards the end of youre stand..
I like to make my stands and call to anything thats in the area so I don't have to make as many stands in a area, plus my stands are more productive this way as well. Just be ready for them..
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Randy, there is a lot of talk about body language holding a clue to whether a second coyote is coming to the call, but just out of sight. The theory is that they come in along the same path.
In my area a coyote will come in and check-up a few 100 yds out and if there is another coyote traveling with it it will look back and if you give it a little time it may do a double take then I know for sure there is another on its way in.. My area is so open i will see any others that maybe on the way in. When I call some deep drainages then I will watch the first coyote that responds a see what it has to say..
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How often do you see coyotes converge from different directions, and suddenly you need a plan? What about when locating and expecting an approach from a certain direction, but a stray shows up on your weak side? If you move to address him, what about the others expected shortly, once you are out of position; I mean, hung out to dry?
I only see it happen when I get to close to a group and makes it tuff for a lone caller so I try to call from farther out and work them 1 or 2 at a time..I find you can get away with some movement without spooking the coyote so I just get on them and get it done. Some cases you can just wait them out and then get a shot.. Each stand is a little different as well as the coyote, some make take only a lip squeak, or perhaps some more rabbit screams or just sit there and be quiet..
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Exactly how detrimental is a shot, to any additional animals approaching the stand? I don't find them to be wary, most often, they seem rather deaf, not spooked.
depends on how far out they are and how close the first shot was if you missed and if the animal has ever been exsposed to it before.
Also if you kill one of the pr. or thriple the others may stick around or may run off over a hill and I just call them back some times..
As for doubles or thripples if they come off from one stand they get counted as such..
BDC dials: Not for everyone but if you have some areas where a long shot needs to be taken then I like them better than guessing hold-over..
Best way to decribe there advantage over guessing hold over is to have someone place a target at a unknown distance and then you shoot at the target useing just hold over method.And then shoot at target useing the BDC dial and takeing a guess with how much you dial in..
With the bdc dial youre guess canbe off a 100 yds and you can still hit the 6x12" kill area on the coyote..
For the guys that call most of there coyotes in under a 100 yds why do you even bother useing a scope for such a short distance when iron sites wouldbe better. Can pick up youre target faster and the same goes for multiples..Makes no sense to me..LOL
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Kelly Jackson
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posted May 22, 2010 12:42 PM
I can't see irons anymore... I tried a eotech also and found it lacking.
3.5X10X50 suits me just fine.
[ May 22, 2010, 12:42 PM: Message edited by: Kelly Jackson ]
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Leonard
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posted May 22, 2010 01:20 PM
Tell me more about the eotech, Kelly.
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Kelly Jackson
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posted May 22, 2010 01:30 PM
Being able to shoot both eyes open and fast acquisition has appeal on close called coyotes, but overall I didn’t like. Even thou the dot only covered an inch at 100 yards, I like the magnification and ability for a precise shot that to date I have only been able to achieve with a scope.
I know guys that are running the eotech with a 3x magnifier and the say they like it.
For now I am just going to stick with what’s working. That’s keeping the scope on 3.5 power and cranking it up when needed.
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TOM64
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posted May 22, 2010 02:36 PM
I've used Aimpoints and eo-techs before along with irons but like Kelly, I like a scope better.
I do use a 3.5-10 but I really like my 1.5-5's better in close cover. It allows me to see much better in low light than irons and I can still crank it up for a shot over 100 yards or if I have to pick a hole in the brush.
I do have an eo-tech on my 22LR now along with irons and I shoot it quite a bit but the low powered scopes trump em everytime.
edited to add a pic of my 22 for ElBee
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TOM64
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posted May 22, 2010 02:39 PM
I also don't buy into the thought of they'll come in straight to the speaker. I've seen too many come in from behind me looking at the caller and I do get lucky every now and then and pick where a coyote might be hiding.
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4949shooter
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posted May 22, 2010 02:50 PM
I almost went for the Eotech for my R-15 but the Nikon scope I bought was cheaper, and I like having a little magnification.
That Eotech is one heckuva sight though. My buddy Tom (my other buddy Tom from work) lent me the Eotech he had on his rifle in Iraq. I told him I couldn't borrow that one but he insisted.
I liked shooting with the Eotech alot but I don't like to spend too much money on myself these days.
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TOM64
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posted May 22, 2010 03:00 PM
One other thing, when I used Aimpoints, I used them in LaRue mounts and my scopes are all in LaRue mounts. These are QD and return to zero so I'd trade em out as required. If someone broke into my home or I was clearing a building the red dots would win hands down for speed.
49, I love the sig line.
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Kelly Jackson
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posted May 22, 2010 03:40 PM
49 I just saw that Princeton NJ is giving out picture ID cards to people who are not here legally. Even has a place for them to put a phone number for a contact/translator if they can't speak English.
I bet the AZ boys could bus yall up plenty of customers.
maybe its a plan to get info before they round em up.......one can only hope.
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TA17Rem
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posted May 22, 2010 04:11 PM
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I also don't buy into the thought of they'll come in straight to the speaker. I've seen too many come in from behind me looking at the caller and I do get lucky every now and then and pick where a coyote might be hiding.
I agree Tom depending on where you are doing youre calling. Most likely a coyote was bedded nearbye and you walked past it to youre stand.
I've had stands where I just walked in from the road and set up on a east and west side hill and have coyotes bedded down on the same hill side. It don't happen that often but it is a good idea to look both ways from time to time just incase.. Another thing is you may have gotten too close to the core area and had coyotes all around.. It really helps to know where they are before you set up to give you the advantage rather than disadvantage..
I posted this before but bare with me. In this video the coyotes where bumped comeing into a pasture and ran into a drainage to the left which is south of my stand. I set up faceing to the west with some haystacks behind me and left. When I started calling I pointed the caller to the south and then back to the west after a few seconds. As you see in the video the coyotes come from my left and circle back towards me. This is how most but not all of the coyotes react on my stands. Also in the video you will see a second coyote come from the same direction and this is after I just shot the first coyote. And you will also see the second coyote stop to look back at me just before i shot at it and missed..
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4949shooter
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posted May 22, 2010 04:26 PM
Kelly I would like to think it is a plan to round them up. But knowing NJ and especially the Ivy League town of Princeton I would have to guess naught.
The town did hire some professional hunters to thin the deer population a few years ago so maybe there is some hope.
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posted May 22, 2010 04:27 PM
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49, I love the sig line.
Thanks Tom I was thinking you might like it.
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