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Author Topic: I thought this was interesting MULE Knows what it's all about Member # 63 posted October 01, 2003 07:29 AM                   I was reading on a site the other day that listed 19 subspecies of coyotes. That piqued my curiosity so I did a search on the distribution/location of them. We have 3 in colorado. Plains,mountain and mearns. I'm sure it would be tough for a layman to distinguish absolutely which was wich in some areas but it would make for a interesting "Coyote GRAND SLAM" if you could tell them apart. Here is 16 of the 19 GENERAL DISTRIBUTION : Coyotes are found from Costa Rica to northern Alaska, and from coast to coast in the United States and Canada. The highest densities occur in the Great Plains states and in south-central United States. Coyotes are absent from the barrens and Arctic islands of northern Canada, including much of northern Quebec, northern Newfoundland, and Labrador. Coyotes are uncommon where gray wolf populations are high in northeastern Minnesota, northern Alaska, the Northwest Territories, Manitoba, and Ontario. The distribution of coyotes in eastern North America has expanded during this century. In some states such as Florida and Georgia, coyotes have been introduced [4,12,43]. Today, all eastern states and provinces have at least a small population of coyotes [64]. Distribution of the subspecies are listed below [61,66]: Mexican coyote - Occurs in Oaxaca, San Luis Potosi, Pueblo, and Veracrus, Mexico. Its range may extend into southern Nuevo Leon and southern Tamaulipas, Mexico. San Pedro Martir coyote - Occurs in northern Baja California and southwestern California (mostly San Diego County). southeastern coyote - Occurs in southeastern and extreme eastern Kansas, Oklahoma, Texas, Missouri, and Arkansas. Durango coyote - Occurs along the Pacific coast drainage of western Mexico between about 22 degrees and 26 degrees north latitude, extreme southern Sonora, extreme southwestern Chihuahua, western Durango, western Zacatecas, and Sinaloa. northern coyote - In Canada, northern coyotes occur in Yukon Territory, the Northwest Territories, northern British Columbia, and northern Alberta. In the United States, northern coyotes occur in most of Alaska except the southeastern coastal section. Tiburon Island coyote - Occurs on Tiburon Island off Baja California. plains coyote - In Canada, plains coyotes occur in southeastern Alberta, southern Saskatchewan, and the extreme southwestern corner of Manitoba. In the United States, they occur in Montana, Wyoming, and Colorado east of the Rocky Mountains, and the northeastern corner of New Mexico; North Dakota except the northeastern quarter; northwestern Oklahoma, and the northern Panhandle region of Texas. mountain coyote - In Canada, mountain coyotes occur in southern British Columbia and southeastern Alberta. In the United States, they occur in Oregon and Washington east of the Cascade Range, northern California, Idaho, western Montana, Wyoming, and Colorado (except the southeast corner), northern and central Nevada, and northern and central Utah. Mearns coyote - Occurs in southwestern Colorado, extreme southern Utah and Nevada, southeastern California, northeastern Baja California, Arizona, west of the Rio Grande in New Mexico, and Sonora and Chihuahua in Mexico. Lower Rio Grande coyote - Occurs in extreme southern Texas and northern Tamaulipas, Mexico. California valley coyote - Occurs in California west of the Sierra Nevada, except in the northern part. peninsula coyote - Occurs on the Baja California peninsula. Texas plains coyote - Occurs in Texas, except for the northern panhandle region, the eastern part, and the extreme southern tip. Texas plains coyotes also occur in eastern New Mexico except for the northeastern corner, and part of northeastern Mexico. northeastern coyote - In Canada, northeastern coyotes occur in north-central Saskatchewan, Manitoba (except the extreme southwestern corner), southern Ontario, and extreme southern Quebec. In the United States, northeastern coyotes occur along the eastern edge of North Dakota and in Minnesota, Iowa, Missouri (north of the Missouri River), Michigan, Wisconsin, Illinois (except the extreme southern portion), and northern Indiana. northwest coast coyote - Occurs west of the Cascade Range in Oregon and Washington. Colima coyote - Occurs along the southwestern Pacific slope of Jalisco, Michoacan, and Guerrero, Mexico. Heres the link http://www.1upinfo.com/wildlife-plants-animals/animals/mammal/cala/wildlife-distribution-occurrence.html -------------------- -------------------- Kickin' it on the Steppes. Livin' in my Yurt My Hockey Mom can beat up your Community Organizer Posts: 334 | From: Ulan Bator | Registered: Jan 2003  |  IP: Logged Locohead World Famous Smoke Dancer Member # 15 posted October 01, 2003 07:40 AM                    It seems to me thatsub-species might be toostrong of a word in this case. Of course, no one has ever accused me of being a biologist. What exactly are the differences? -------------------- I love my critters and chick!!!! :) Posts: 2219 | From: CO | Registered: Jan 2003  |  IP: Logged Az-Hunter Hi, I'm Vic WELCOME TO THE U.S. Free baloney sandwiches here Member # 17 posted October 01, 2003 08:19 AM                   It's dicey isn't it? A subspecies,as explained to me, can be any obvious or subtle difference in appearance, that can be attributed to coyotes living in a particular area, obviously these boundries overlap,and correspondingly, given enough time and interbreeding of the two different subspecies of coyotes, they could in fact create a new subspecies......deep biological stuff huh:) I suppose I could identify two of the subspecies here in Az. I'll be damned if I know what they are, or if they are indeed different or simply coyotes having similar markings but are members of the same subspecies. Some of our coyotes have white tipped tails,most have more common black tipped tails. Some are predominantly reddish in color,and seem to be more compact in conformation,others have a "wolfy" look, larger,longer and gray coat with longer black tipped gaurd hairs with the distinctive dark collar that drapes over their shoulders....like the one pictured in the top left of this forum. Ive always heard that 19 figure given too for the number of subspecies, makes you scratch your head for a minute. Posts: 1627 | From: 5 miles west of Tim | Registered: Jan 2003  |  IP: Logged Rich Higgins unknown comic posted October 01, 2003 05:06 PM              This one has long puzzled me. In 1823 Thomas Say officially dubbed the coyote Canis Latrans Say and that seemed to work just fine for for about 130 years. In 1951 Hartley Jackson, a biologist with the US Fish and Wildlife Service, published the results of his research, which entailed the examination of hundreds of coyote skulls procured from every corner of the coyotes range. He identified 19 sub-species. Apparently a number of biologists take issue with Jackson's findings and feel that 8 subspecies would be more accurate. Jackson's criteria for differentiating sub-species was, in most cases, differences in dentition and cranial measurements. Officially only one sub-species is indigenous to Arizona. Canis Latrans Mearnsi. Like Az Hunter I see mostly the standard 20-25 lb reddish desert dog, but I occasionally see the 30-35 lb grey that is an entirely different animal. Fish and Game biologists are no help. It's a puzzlement. IP: Logged Cdog911 "There are some ideas so absurd only an intellectual could believe them."--George Orwell. Member # 7 posted October 02, 2003 07:40 PM                       I guess I'm lucky. Kansas has two subspecies documented, according to Stanley Young at that time (1951). C. latrans latrans, a light-colored, medium sized subspecies characterized locally by light colored, off-white hair on the forelegs with highly distinctive black markings down the anterior aspect of each front leg, cream and black guard hairs, and nearly white bellies, AND C. latrans frustror, a roan variation of the coyote typically larger than C.l.latrans with dark red on the legs, a darker almost red belly, red, cream and black barring in the guard hairs which gives this subsp. an overall roan cast. C.l.latrans is most common in th western 3/5th's of the state in areas of short- to mixed-grass prairie while C.l.frustror is more common in the eastern most regions in areas of the Flint Hills and eastern deciduous forests. There is some overlapping, especially through my area, but you can usually tell one subsp. from the other from some distance. Of course, there are those danged half-breeds that show both strains and just leave you guessing. Come breeding season, coyotes are color-blind. -------------------- I am only one. But still, I am one. I cannot do everything, but still, I can do something; and, because I cannot do everything, I will not refuse to do something that I can do. Posts: 5438 | From: The gun-lovin', gun-friendly wild, wild west | Registered: Jan 2003  |  IP: Logged Leonard HMFIC Member # 2 posted October 02, 2003 09:05 PM                       I think most of my coyotes fall into these two groups: mountain coyote - In Canada, mountain coyotes occur in southern British Columbia and southeastern Alberta. In the United States, they occur in Oregon and Washington east of the Cascade Range, northern California, Idaho, western Montana, Wyoming, and Colorado (except the southeast corner), northern and central Nevada, and northern and central Utah. Mearns coyote - Occurs in southwestern Colorado, extreme southern Utah and Nevada, southeastern California, northeastern Baja California, , west of the Rio Grande in New Mexico, and Sonora and Chihuahua in Mexico. However, I know exactly of what Rich speaks. In AZ, I see a lot of those desert dogs and a few real handsome critters, mostly along the M. Rim, but you can't put them in a box, they might show up almost anywhere. Speaking of that observation by Vic. At one time, I used to see a few white tiped tails, and would almost bet money that they came from southern Arizona. It seems to me that there has been an explosion of white tips, because in the past ten to fifteen years, I see them in California and Nevada; places where they never used to be. That's not to say it's a sub species, but it's a distinctive feature. The Owens Valley and extreme western/central Nevada have a very pretty silver/gray coyote; good sized. Must be a sub/sub species of the "mountain coyote" described above? Hard to believe there are so many different coyotes. Good hunting. LB -------------------- EL BEE Knows It All and Done It All. Don't piss me off! Posts: 31450 | From: Upland, CA | Registered: Jan 2003  |  IP: Logged Purple220 Knows what it's all about Member # 173 posted October 03, 2003 06:40 AM                    In west Texas I have noticed two distinct different coyotes. One is redish smaller coyote mostly found in sandhills west of Big Spring. I have been shooting some very large ( for this area) coyotes N/E of Big Spring that are very silver more like a Northern yote. -------------------- Predator Control Specialist......Here Kitty Kitty Posts: 154 | From: Big Spring,Tx | Registered: Apr 2003  |  IP: Logged onecoyote Knows what it's all about Member # 129 posted October 04, 2003 04:01 PM                   Are you guys telling me a coyote is not a coyote, it's a subspecies of a coyote. Hummm...my question is....which one of the coyotes came first? Are humans subspecies too? We don't all look the same either lol. How does this sound, Homo sapien californious. Range; the southern parts of California down to the northern regions of Baja, California. -------------------- Great minds discuss ideas.....Average minds discuss events.....Small minds discuss people.....Eleanor Roosevelt. Posts: 893 | From: Walker Lake Nevada. | Registered: Feb 2003  |  IP: Logged Hodgen Knows what it's all about Member # 180 posted October 04, 2003 04:28 PM                    I don't know about all this "sub-species" stuff. But I will say there is a heck of a lot of difference in behavior, and attitude of coyotes in different areas. I have had oppertunity to call coyotes in a lot of different states across the USA, and there does appear to be differences from east to west, and in the middle. Hopefully I can find a few of them "easy" ones, out your way Leonard, the weekend after next. Hopefully I can find me a bobcat too. California here I come....again. Posts: 59 | From: Pennsylvania | Registered: Apr 2003  |  IP: Logged onecoyote Knows what it's all about Member # 129 posted October 04, 2003 06:04 PM                   Hi Hodgen ltns, I'll give you some local cat spots to hunt if you want, I know the cats are there. All you'd have to do is find them and shoot stright. I'll give you my phone #--E-mail me for it. onecoyote@uia.net -------------------- Great minds discuss ideas.....Average minds discuss events.....Small minds discuss people.....Eleanor Roosevelt. Posts: 893 | From: Walker Lake Nevada. | Registered: Feb 2003  |  IP: Logged varmit hunter Knows what it's all about Member # 37 posted October 04, 2003 06:13 PM                    I have identified three subspecies in my county. Canis Nocomes to the call, Canis Can't Hitamas, And worst of all Canis Downwindmas. -------------------- Make them pay for the wind. Posts: 932 | From: Orange,TX | Registered: Jan 2003  |  IP: Logged Hodgen Knows what it's all about Member # 180 posted October 04, 2003 07:43 PM                    Danny, I dropped you an e-mail. I think we can find the cats, but I don't know how straight I can shoot. Them 1000+ mile road trips once there, get rough on the eye balls, come the second night without too much sleep. Even them Joshua trees get funky looking after while. But the desert is an amazing place in the dark. One can't imagine how many things live in that barren place. Posts: 59 | From: Pennsylvania | Registered: Apr 2003  |  IP: Logged Locohead World Famous Smoke Dancer Member # 15 posted October 04, 2003 09:38 PM                    Ronnie, Did you say that your swamp coyotes are extra tall-legged and Cajun yipping? I could of sworn you said ugly and furless too. No kidding on the long-legged part though. It seems like you said they were quite literally much taller than the other Western types. Is that right? [ October 04, 2003, 09:39 PM: Message edited by: Locohead ] -------------------- I love my critters and chick!!!! :) Posts: 2219 | From: CO | Registered: Jan 2003  |  IP: Logged varmit hunter Knows what it's all about Member # 37 posted October 04, 2003 09:54 PM                    The long legged ones I have seen are down on the costal marshes. This is a tough aria to call due to all of the high marsh grass. Very strange looking. There legs appear to be 5 to 6" longer than Coyotes just twenty miles away. As soon as my health improves I will try to get back down there, And remember to take a camera the next time. -------------------- Make them pay for the wind. Posts: 932 | From: Orange,TX | Registered: Jan 2003  |  IP: Logged Crow Woman Knows what it's all about Member # 157 posted October 05, 2003 08:16 AM                    Hey Ronnie, I have some of those sub-species: Canis Nocomes to the call and I have had alot of the sub species: Canis Stupidcomes to any call! How about you? -------------------- Sheri L Baity Lord, Please give me peace, because if you give me strength, I might beat someone to death! Posts: 687 | From: Covington | Registered: Mar 2003  |  IP: Logged varmit hunter Knows what it's all about Member # 37 posted October 05, 2003 05:44 PM                    Sheri. In my case it is more like Homodumbasses Luckemoutes. -------------------- Make them pay for the wind. Posts: 932 | From: Orange,TX | Registered: Jan 2003  |  IP: Logged Crow Woman Knows what it's all about Member # 157 posted October 07, 2003 03:02 AM                    hehehe... Tum roll please... errr.. a drum roll please Ronnie -------------------- Sheri L Baity Lord, Please give me peace, because if you give me strength, I might beat someone to death! Posts: 687 | From: Covington | Registered: Mar 2003  |  IP: Logged Hodgen Knows what it's all about Member # 180 posted October 11, 2003 07:48 AM                    Well, it's sunny and clear here in Pennsylvania today. So if there are no delays in a couple airports across the USA today. I should be enjoying one of those "Double Double's" at the local In & Out Burger, before I go to bed tonight. California here I come!!!!! Again Posts: 59 | From: Pennsylvania | Registered: Apr 2003  |  IP: Logged Leonard HMFIC Member # 2 posted October 11, 2003 08:55 AM                       Hodgen, that may be the real reason why the wets are crossing the border; Double/doubles from In-n-Out. Well....can't blame them for that. Ever had a 4X4? Good hunting. LB edit: PS good luck [ October 11, 2003, 08:57 AM: Message edited by: Leonard ] -------------------- EL BEE Knows It All and Done It All. Don't piss me off! Posts: 31450 | From: Upland, CA | Registered: Jan 2003  |  IP: Logged Hodgen Knows what it's all about Member # 180 posted October 11, 2003 09:24 AM                    Can't say I ever had one of their 4x4's Leonard. But those joints have some of the most "kick-ass" burgers and fries in the US. If I would be smart, I would buy a franchise and open one here in PA. It would put a serious whooping on the local burger joints. What makes it bad, is the joint is within walking distance of my motel in Ontario. I got the Denny's right out my door, and the In & Out right across Vineyard. There is another joint right behind In & Out (Cowboy something or other) that has some of the best Polish sausage I ever ate. I usually hit that place for breakfast. Nothing like eggs, hash browns, and good sausage to start the day. Oh Yeh....this is a coyote thread, I forgot. Posts: 59 | From: Pennsylvania | Registered: Apr 2003  |  IP: Logged Leonard HMFIC Member # 2 posted October 11, 2003 08:39 PM                       he thing to remember, Hodgen, is that they will make several things that you won't find on the menu. Locals know this, others may not? Try your burger "animal style" when you think of it, my wife likes that version; with pickles and grilled onions. You can also ask for a "protein burger" which has no bun, and is wrapped in several layers of lettuce leaf. Supposed to be no carbs, that way? They make a good burger. LB -------------------- EL BEE Knows It All and Done It All. Don't piss me off! Posts: 31450 | From: Upland, CA | Registered: Jan 2003  |  IP: Logged

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