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Leonard
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posted March 29, 2005 03:51 PM
Choose, between an electronic or a hand call? I ran across this statement on another board:
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The ability to totally control the sounds you are puting out will make the difference every time with a finicky coyote.
What do you think? ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
Good hunting. LB
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Clint
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posted March 29, 2005 04:22 PM
i would say hand calls are the best! but i use both, i use the e call when i am calling on my own.
Clint
[ March 29, 2005, 04:23 PM: Message edited by: Clint ]
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brad h
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posted March 29, 2005 04:31 PM
I like my e-caller, but I'm far more comfortable using hand calls.
What I don't agree with is the "every time" part. I've seen a lot of coyotes recently that chose not to acknowledge any sounds from hand calls at all. Not spook and run, but stop, look, and continue meandering their merry way along as if to be deaf, and at very respondable distances.
I don't think there is an "every time" with coyotes.
Brad
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keekee
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posted March 29, 2005 05:27 PM
I agree with Brad, I dont think there is an everytime either.
Im a hand call person myself, but a good e-caller has its place in my calling. I love them for cats and long stands, and the remotes make it nice for set ups that I can make with an e-caller that would be hard with hand calls unless I have another shooter.
And e-callers are great for calling alone. But even then I will run hand calls most of the time.
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Doggitter
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posted March 29, 2005 05:51 PM
I replyed to someone with a similar statement a while back but don't think those are my words. To good extent I agree.
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Leonard
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posted March 29, 2005 06:15 PM
Nope, wasn't you. I 'spect the party will be along; shortly?
Good hunting. LB
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UTcaller
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posted March 29, 2005 06:29 PM
I gotta say hand calls all the way.Haven't got into the DJ thing with the E-callers. ![[Razz]](tongue.gif) Too stubburn I guess. ![[Wink]](wink.gif) GOOD HUNTING C.O
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Leonard
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posted March 29, 2005 06:36 PM
Get away with a lot of hand movement, at night; eh, Chad?
I'll say this, for daylights on cats, it's hard to beat a remote machine.
Good hunting. LB
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varmit hunter
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posted March 29, 2005 06:37 PM
I think they both have there place. I very much prefer a hand call. When I do use a E-caller 90% of the time I will blow a hand call louder than the electronic at the same time. Works for me.
Ronnie
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Tim Behle
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posted March 29, 2005 06:46 PM
I'm probably wrong, but those sound like the words of someone new to calling, or someone who hasn't given electronics much of a chance.
But then who ever wrote it probably didn't think we'd pick his words apart.
I'd agree that Handcalls give you better ability to control the sound, that often can make the difference on a finicky coyote.
But I don't believe you get total control, even with a hand call. ( Ever have a reed lock up or turn into a goose call when you least expect it?)
And there is no such thing as "Every time" with a coyote.
In the words of coyote Guru, Murry Burnham "Sometimes this shit just don't work!"
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UTcaller
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posted March 29, 2005 07:13 PM
I fall into the category of not giving E-callers a chance.I bought and tried the JS Preymaster a couple years ago,used it a couple times but I just didn't see the advantage of it.I can see Leonard's point with regards to calling cats.But I have been using handcalls for almost 20 years now and don't see any need to change now.Coyotes seem to just keep coming to the hand calls.Maybe when they won't come in anymore I'll break down and get me a FOXPRO. GOOD HUNTING C.O
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TOM64
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posted March 29, 2005 09:12 PM
I like handcalls and I own no e-caller at this time. My old JS512 called in alot of critters but I thought I needed a lighter newer caller, went with preymaster then foxpro sold both in a little over a month after purchase. I had no control with them, hit wrong button on PM and remote sucked on FP but with handcalls I don't really have anymore control but I enjoy them more.
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Clint
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posted March 29, 2005 09:27 PM
i love my loudmouth, but when needed i can put more "feeling" in to a mouth call. i believe that you have a better chance calling in that dog that just isnt super interested by being able to call with the circumstances that come up. but i still do 75% of my calling with the loudmouth.
Clint
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TheHuntedOne
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posted March 29, 2005 09:36 PM
Where I hunt, here in the east, it is sometimes an advantage to get up in a tree stand. I have a few out in the woods and sometimes I will tote in the climber. In these cases, an E caller set out about 50 yards or so has worked well for me.
When I hunt on the ground though, I like my hand calls.
I think that in the areas I hunt, both are necessary to be well rounded. You could get by with one or the other, but in my experiance, there is a time and a place for each.
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Lungbuster
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posted March 30, 2005 07:51 AM
Hello Everyone!
I hope you don't mind if I jump in. There is something about a hand call that just makes me feel good when I call in and kill a predator. Maybe its because I am not that experienced and doing it by myself gives me a certain satisfaction that I didn't feel when I used an e-caller.
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posted March 30, 2005 10:53 AM
A smart man knows the answer before he ask the question, Right Leonard
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Jay Nistetter
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posted March 30, 2005 12:24 PM
Hand calls, hands down. Working a coyote is much more automatic, but if someone only wanted to kill (or miss) a coyote and that's all, the e-caller is a no brainer.
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Hawkeye
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posted March 30, 2005 06:47 PM
Electronic with remote
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Leonard
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posted March 30, 2005 07:02 PM
So, where's Tom? Hello, NASA! You don't have to tell me how unfair this is, taken out of context, and all. But, you're a good sport. Please note what Tim said about you, a man; (a gentleman, in fact) who has shared his campfire!
Good hunting. LB
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posted March 30, 2005 09:20 PM
E-callers help the best become better and the flunkies to make par. “Which is better???” Which can you work the best?
Good hunting.
Q,
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NASA
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posted March 31, 2005 04:05 AM
![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif) OK LB,have your fun. My son is here for Easter vacation and we've been out calling, and, shooting PD's. Otherwise, I'd have seen this sooner.
I'll only agree that using the word "always" (without qualification) left me wide open for criticism. I'll stand by the rest of my opinion.
My style/type of predator hunting is casual and laid back. Very different from the intense, driven, hectic and even extreme approach that is the key to success for consistant tournamant winners and professional fur hunters. Q hunts like a man possessed, and has the pelts at the end of the season to prove it. Leonard has been on club hunts where it took 40 animals to win a 3 day contest. Taking time to sleep was not an option. For that kind of hunting, an ecaller is indispensible.
My reply was not intended to be used as a challange to the tournament style hunters with speakers on the roof of their cab who drive and shoot all night long. That frantic pace of hunting requires the mechanical aid of an ecaller. You could call this technique "production" style hunting.
I don't need to sell fur in order to make a loan payment, and if I never get a trophy for killing 40 coyotes in 2 days, I'm OK with that. But if I can call in coyotes every time I go out, and have the "opportunity" to take at least one, then I am satisfied. High volume has never been a priority with me and I have nothing against it. I have a lot of respect for the guys who have the stamina and grit to hunt that hard. Myself, I don't have the horsepower for that grueling pace!
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Leonard
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posted March 31, 2005 11:51 AM
Tom, you are right. When we use terms like never and always, it calls for equivocation, sooner or later. But, we all do it.....well, not all(?) but you know what I mean.
There is a phenomena that not everybody will see, or agree with, but I believe it. Under certain conditions, the most perfect response from a called coyote will be to a machine that plays a monotonous and continuous sound. Realistic pauses, and creative renditions work against the object harvest. You will never see a more beautiful response to a distress, and an efficient dusting. I know it sounds contrary, but you have to see it in action, to appreciate what I'm saying. A Nirvana kind of thing.
Good hunting. LB
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posted March 31, 2005 09:53 PM
Oh, but I do know what you're talking about. In defense of ecallers,here's a little story. TJ and I were hunting along the CO river. We were heading south on 78 below Palo Verde. On a dirt road between the river and a cantalope field we caught a glimps of a coyote. We slowly drove by and about 25 yards past him we put the FoxPro out. We kept going another 40 yards and pulled into the brush. After we got set up, I hit the remote. Here they come, three coyotes in single file, as perfect as a movie script. I said, "On three, shoot!" And on 3 we both shot, the same dog. No chance for a follow-up, but it was a classic call-in.
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Rich Higgins
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posted April 01, 2005 08:14 AM
". You will never see a more beautiful response to a distress, and an efficient dusting."
Here is a different take, based on different perception. When KeeKee hunted with Tyler in Jan. Tyler videoed a coyote that did not want to come to the call and did not want to be there and everytime it would hangup or balk Tyler would plead a little differently and the coyote would stalk in, head down, slowly, one foot in front of the other, like a cat. It took several minutes of coaxing, begging, pleading, until Brent lip-squeaked it into position for his gun and shot the coyote. Dandy video and
"You will never see a more beautiful response to a distress, and an efficient dusting".
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posted April 01, 2005 08:55 AM
Rich, that is exactly the type of situation I was refering to when I said
Quote: "The ability to totally control the sounds you are puting out will make the difference every time with a finicky coyote."
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