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Rich Higgins
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posted September 13, 2006 07:37 AM
I'm going to have to get me one of these.
Tyler's partner used one in a Savage 12, Accu trigger, black synthetic. Leupold LPS. Too heavy but accurate and Rich can just flat shoot that thing.
I saw him shoot one coyote on Sun, standing broadside, about 350 yards, 204 entrance, nickel size exit, just switched the coyote off. No spinning, flopping, biting, tail rotation, nothing. I asked him how high he held over. He said 2 inches.
He shot a running coyote at about 100 yards, perfect placement, 204 entrance behind shoulder, nickel exit. Just switched it off.
The day before Tyler said that Rich shot one behind the shoulder at about 20 yards, 204 entrance, no exit. Just switched it off. No flopping. He was using the 40 gr Vmax.
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Andy L
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posted September 13, 2006 07:42 AM
Rich, mine is a CZ527 American. Check it out before you buy. Its a short, light, fast handling and shoots like a dream. I love it.
Now, gotta kill some coyotes with it and see if I love the 204 equally as well. ![[Wink]](wink.gif)
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UTcaller
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posted September 13, 2006 09:26 AM
Rich,
They are a great little fur gun,that's for sure.I've shot quite a few coyotes with mine in the last year or so and it really does amaze me what it will do.I have only shot the 35 grain Bergers at coyotes and haven't had one run off yet.And only a couple had some damage but both were hit high in the back.My long shot on one so far is only 300 yards but it didn't move and had no pelt damage.I'm running mine at about 3850 fps (muzzle) with H4895 powder.It is an addicting little bugger to shoot. Good Hunting Chad
[ September 13, 2006, 09:37 AM: Message edited by: UTcaller ]
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posted September 13, 2006 03:13 PM
i reasoned myself out of getting 1 about a month ago. i had the cash and was ready to play. i still want one and may try an H & R.
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JD
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posted September 13, 2006 05:54 PM
I shot Andys on a prarie dog town a couple weeks ago & was very impressed with the CZ, light & accurate for sure but the best part was I was shooting up his ammo ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
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KevinKKaller
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posted September 13, 2006 06:54 PM
Rich I have a204 Sav 12 With a Hary lawsen stock.
In the last 2 year I think I have only shot 2 coyotes with other guns 1 was with a 20 Acly Hornet I do not like the 32 grn pills 35 and 40 grn wook great.
Good hunting Kevin
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GCrock
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posted September 14, 2006 02:28 PM
I keep reading how everyone seems to love the 35 grain berger, no reason to mess with success I guess. Are any of you 204 shooters planning on trying the nosler 40 grain on coyotes? Or, why is the 35 grain berger more popular than the 40 grain version? Just curious. I bought a box of the 40 grain noslers to try, have to get some loaded up soon. I have shot 10 coyotes with the 40 grain v-maxes, and it has been a one shot lights out thing. However, I have not hit a shoulder bone with them.
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DAA
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posted September 14, 2006 03:30 PM
I one of the biggest reason you don't hear more about the 40 gr. bullets, is that it seems like a lot of the factory 12 twist barrels don't shoot them very well. Those that do shoot them well, seem to have real good results on coyotes with them.
Then too, part of the allure of the .204 is "fast and flat", with minimal recoil or disturbance of the sight picture. The velocities with the 40's out of the .204 case start to get kind of pedestrian (comparatively speaking), mid range trajectory starts to lose some of it's sex appeal (again, comparatively speaking), recoil is right there with the .223 (you get the idea), and you start asking yourself "why not just shoot a .22-250? It will spit out 40's at 400 fps faster".
I'm well aware of the BC and SD advantages of a .204 40 gr. over a .224 40 gr., but I think that's the general nature of the thought process.
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Leonard
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posted September 14, 2006 03:38 PM
Yeah, right. That's part of the reason why the 204 hasn't roused my interest very much. Might show to good effect at short ranges, but that's not the whole ball game in a general purpose calling rifle. I'm not knocking it, (for those that own one), just can't see where I would need it?
Good hunting. LB
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UTcaller
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posted September 14, 2006 04:00 PM
From what little experience I've had with mine.It seems to whack coyotes(35 grain bullet) with the same type of authority that my .22-250 does with 55 grain bullet.Like I said my long shot so far with it is only 300 yards.But all the coyotes I've hit whether good or bad shots have anchored them,about like my .22-250.I'm no gun Guru by any means and don't really know about all the B.C and S.D and all that stuff but I do know it is flat,fast,and accurate and whacks coyotes.All I know is that my .22-250,and .223 AI have been collecting dust since I bought my .204 Ruger. Just my 2 cents Good Hunting Chad
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albert
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posted September 15, 2006 05:51 AM
I feel that the reason that a lot of people have trouble with forty grain bullets is they are shooting factory ammo. I feel that the factory ammo leaves something to be desired. My rifle shoots factory 40 grainers into slightly over an inch at a hundered yards. But it has yet to shoot more than about a 1/2 inch with handloads it seems to shoot all brands of forty grain bullets quite well. FYI I have been using 10X powder.
While it's no 22-250 I feel that it has more impact than any .223 that i have tried.
P.S. Leonard did you get my e-mail?
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posted September 15, 2006 06:22 AM
my browning is sighted in with the Hornady 32 grainers. I tried the remington 32 grainers but my rifle doesn't eject the shells well. I shot at one coyote at 300 yards with mine but missed horribly!! I hear the 39 grainers are pretty awesome but have NO experiance with them. I think I will stick with the 32 grainers from hornady but sometimes they are tough to find. I have never heard of an exit wound with the 32 grainers at any range.
p.s. I shot a coyote TWICE with .223 55 grain softpoints and they both "slipped" through. Never did find that coyote ![[Frown]](frown.gif) and the shot was at <50 yards.
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Leonard
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posted September 15, 2006 10:22 AM
Albert. No, I did not get an email from you, but I have been thinking that I need to make contact, mental telepathy type of thing. LB
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posted September 15, 2006 04:58 PM
Rich,
I got a new 204 barrel early February. Five coyotes have been killed with, all at home in Poway. Around March timeframe, my wife just finishing feeding the horse when the neighbor's (300 yards away) dog started barking at their property line. The dog has an electronic coller that is activated when he get within a minimum distance of a buried wire.
Anyway there was four coyotes trying to lure the dog out of the open area of the yard into some medium heavy brush area. Pam called the neighbor and the neighbor got the dog in the house.
I decided to see if the coyotes were going to follow the normal route, which put crossing across another neighbor property that was only 150 yards for where I decide to setup. Long story, but of the four coyotes three bit the dust, around 200 to 250 yards. The fourth just headed straight up a really steep hillside to get away.
Also, all my kills have just dropped dead. But I have not had any exit holes. I am shooting 40 gr vmax as well. Have not tried the 32 gr vmax.
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PAyotehunter
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posted September 15, 2006 08:54 PM
I've heard a lot of good things about the .204. I thought about buying one, but I already have two .17 Rem's.
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Freddie
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posted September 15, 2006 09:44 PM
I have one Model 7 in .17 Rem.I use IMR 4320 and get similar results as PAyotehunter however with the shorter barrel 3650 fps is about it. I also have one CZ 527 American in .204 and a .204 LSV Remington. I wouldn't trade them for anything. The CZ is giving me good groups with the 30 grain Bergers and I will be trying them out on Coyote this year. The .204 LSV Remington is giving me good groups with the .40 grain Hornady I have been making the rancher happy with the prairie dogs with that one. I have been using 10X powder in the .204 rifles
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Rich Higgins
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posted September 16, 2006 12:17 AM
Hi Freddie, welcome to Huntmasters. Where in Az are you located?
PAyotehunter, impressive group.
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Freddie
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posted September 16, 2006 02:52 PM
Mr. Higgins, I live near Prescott. Thanks for the welcome.
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sparkyibewlocal440
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posted September 17, 2006 09:16 PM
I'm having a .20 Tactical being built,should have it in a month or two,very much like the the .204 in performance,it will have an 11 twist barrel to make sure it will handle the 40's.Been gathering every bit of info I can get my hands on for loads,bullet selection, etc.There's a very wide swing in printed velocities for 32 and 40 grain loads......Ballisticly,the 40 grainer starts out slower than the 32 grainer until at 250 yards ,the 40 grainer takes over.So why not just shoot 40's?........I'm going to try different 32's,a 35, and 40's, along with a few different powders to find "the load".......I've seen where the factory .204 Hornady rounds have their bullets seated pretty deep,resulting in a big jump for the bullet to gap before it makes contact with the lands,a good opportunity for the handloader.......I've got no big plans for using it on Coyotes 'tho.
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J_hun
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posted September 21, 2006 05:54 PM
My friend Pat Hoing has one and it flat drops them with no problem. He uses benchmark with 39gr.bullet.
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sparkyibewlocal440
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posted September 21, 2006 08:20 PM
Forgot to mention Sierra's 39 grain Blitz King,heard lots of good things about this bullet,seems to be a favorite.Benchmark is on the list of powders to try.
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brett
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posted September 28, 2006 12:16 PM
has anyone tried loading the 40gr berger match or the 45 gr hornady soft pts. i am looking for bullet that is easy on fur. i have shot a few coyotes with the 32 gr vmax but they leave big holes
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Andy L
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posted September 28, 2006 12:25 PM
I bought some factory 32gr VMax. They shot really well and blew the hell out of prarie dogs. DAA suggested I try some 35gr Bergers on coyotes and Rich gave a fantastic first hand account of the 204 with 40gr VMax.
So, I bought some 40gr Vmax, factory, to try on coyotes. And, I got a box of 35gr Bergers to load and try as well. Ill let you know and post some pics, if you guys want, of fur damage and accounts of performance as I go. I think there is great potential here and want to try and perfect it.
At the range, the 40s shoot good. Not quite as tight as the 32s, but still good enough for a hunting rifle. Im not going to shoot matches and it will still outshoot alot of rifles I have seen people call good over the years. I plan on loading some of the 35 Bergers soon and see how they shoot.
Like Q said, just a couple more weeks. Im READY!! ![[Cool]](cool.gif)
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UTcaller
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posted September 28, 2006 05:08 PM
brett,
If you reload, the 35 bergers are great,easy on the fur,fast and very accurate.And they really whack the coyotes.I to am looking to try the 45 grain Hornady SP to see how they do.Probably will be Factory bullets to start with but if they work out I might start reloading some for coyotes.FWIW Good Hunting Chad
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sparkyibewlocal440
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posted September 28, 2006 08:54 PM
Has anyone shot these bullets we've been talking about on paper at 300 yards for comparison?Curious how that 35 grain Berger stacks up with it's hollow point and flat base for trajectory.
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