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Topic: how about being good at making it sound like a howl
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coyote bait
PAKMAN
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posted January 03, 2008 04:27 PM
my partner says it sounds good . do you think it realy matters ? When you hear coyotes, lots of times they sound all garbled up .So maby how good you are at it, might not make that much differance.thanks for the feed back all. Al I feel like I got an autograph, with your response.
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TA17Rem
Hello, I'm the legendary Tim Anderson, Field Marshall, Southern Minneesota Sector
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posted January 03, 2008 07:13 PM
I've listen to alot of different callers howl, and some sound like the real thing and not to many callers howl alike either. But they all get results with there style of howling and i think you don't have to be perfect just get it close and call it good.. I hunted with a guy that had some vantastic howls which sounded like the coyote was sitting right there and howling, but later i found his howls to be no better than the other guys as far as bringing them in. So just howl the best you can and good luck..T.A.
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albert
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posted January 04, 2008 05:18 AM
I don't feel that it's critical to sound "perfect" what ever that is. But sounding better as in all things doesn't hurt.
Sometime to get a better prespective on howling you and a partner should seperate yourselves by 5, 600 yards to see what each other sounds like at a distance. You could also back off until you can no longer hear each, other try diffent calls etc you maybe suprised at what you learn. A good pair of radios would help in this exercise.
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Paul Melching
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posted January 04, 2008 06:20 AM
coyote bait
Ive heard some coyotes that dont sound all that good.
PM
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csmithers
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posted January 04, 2008 06:38 AM
"Al I feel like I got an autograph, with your response."
That's rich... you'll learn who some of these other guys are. No offense to Al.
I agree with Albert and PM 100%. If you locate yourself properly it doesn't matter as much,to me, what you sound like. Quality counts when the pressure is high, in my opinion.
I still try to sound as close as possible, which isn't all that hard. Learn what you are saying to them and you should be good.
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Varmint Al
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posted January 04, 2008 11:04 AM
Here is my opinion on how a howl sounds to a distant coyote:
HOW YOUR HOWL SOUNDS TO THE COYOTE.... One thing to remember is that the howl that you are making is going to be heard way out there, maybe 400 yards or more. It does not sound to the coyote like it does to you as you make the howl. It might sound raspy or not perfect to you, but at that distance the coyote merely hears a "howl". All of the detail that you can hear as you are blowing the howl is lost as the sound travels 400 yards or more. The higher frequency sound details are attenuated more traveling through the air than lower frequencies. If the coyote was sitting right next to you he would know that the howl is fake, but at a distance he can't tell the difference. Coyote howling works. Get a howler and give it a try. It is easy to talk the coyote with practice.
Here is what I call a "Chatter" howl. I hear coyotes making this sound on an Island north of us in the evening. This is high pitched and like a younger coyote made with the E.L.K. Power Howler. Chatter Howl http://www.varmintal.com/elkchatterhowl.mp3
Good Hunting... from Varmint Al 
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Leonard
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posted January 04, 2008 12:09 PM
You are always welcome here, Varmint Al. I get a lot of hits coming from your page, and I appreciate the link. Thanks much, LB
PS good sound!
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Kelly Jackson
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posted January 04, 2008 02:12 PM
damn that sounded good.......I need more practice.
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Rich Higgins
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posted January 04, 2008 03:38 PM
Very good sound, Al.
Here's another take to consider. Jaeger, Mitchell, Barrett and Makagon, published a paper entitled "Information Content of Coyote Barks and Howls" in which they conducted discriminate analysis of spectrograms of recorded barks and howls. They concluded that because of the large variations in the shape, length and volume of the coyotes supralaryngeal vocal tract, coyotes howls are individually specific, meaning that coyotes can recognize the voices, the howls, of coyotes that are known to them.
Mike has told me that the coyotes ear has evolved over the course of 15,000 years to detect close range mouse squeaks and long distance howls. The physiological and anatomical structure of the coyotes ear is different from a humans ears and they probably hear, or at least perceive long distance howls, including the degradation of the sound, differently than we do. Relatively, 400 yards is very close range for coyote howls and in optimum conditions they are able to hear and understand howls many miles distant.
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Cdog911
"There are some ideas so absurd only an intellectual could believe them."--George Orwell.
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posted January 04, 2008 06:35 PM
If we could only fashion a howler with more than one reed that would allow us to produce a sound that included low, medium and higher pitched frequenciewe'd certainly have them by the left side for sure. I think that the fact that all howlers are single reed limits our capabilities at reproducing howls accurately.
Rich,
I was thinking the exact same thing. You just beat me to it. ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
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canine
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posted January 05, 2008 12:02 PM
Cdog, With a power howler you Can change howling tones.
I believe it is important, how good you sound on a howler.
JD
[ January 05, 2008, 12:21 PM: Message edited by: canine ]
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Krustyklimber
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posted January 05, 2008 12:59 PM
"If you take a turkey to a turkey callin' contest, he'll loose every time..."
My brother says it all the time, usually after some animal demonstrates poor vocal skills.
Krusty 
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Rich
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posted January 05, 2008 01:34 PM
With a Cronk howler, it is easy to sound like a coyote of any age or size. That means that you could actually imitate the howls of three different coyotes. You could also imitate distress crys of adult or puppy. Shucks you can even do the famous "estrous chirps" if you were so inclined. ![[Wink]](wink.gif)
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keekee
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posted January 14, 2008 11:36 PM
""If you take a turkey to a turkey callin' contest, he'll loose every time..."
My brother says it all the time, usually after some animal demonstrates poor vocal skills.
Krusty
I dont agree with that at all! Were did that come from?
Depends on weather the judges no what a Turkey sounds like or not! Not always the case in a contest. And lots of other factors.
Brent
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