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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on March 10, 2010, 11:22 AM:
 
I'm asking the question; does loud volume increase the odds that a coyote will be a hard charger?

What happens when you decrease volume when an animal is first sighted?

Those of us that use pauses, do you have significantly less hard chargers? Is a hard charger mostly an Alpha animal?

How many do you see that flare in, do not run to the caller and never stop? Maybe you call it "drive by"? Is this phenomena epidemic, under certain conditions? In other words, every animal does it, like all morning?

Does calling from two or more locations work? "very" effective? Not at all? For instance, hand calling while using a remote electronic machine.

I want to kick around how you use your machine, what you think, how do you mix sounds that are not complimentary. Conclusions, observations? What do you think? Pick a specific and wade in....you don't need to be an expert, either!

Good hunting. LB

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Posted by Rich (Member # 112) on March 10, 2010, 11:44 AM:
 
Well Leonard I have almost always called pretty dang loud. Some coyotes come in hard and fast, while others do not. I used to call pretty much continuous, but there seems to be some evidence that coyotes in some areas are wising up to non stop screams. I am becoming an advocate of letting the call play five or six screams, and then muting the sound for several minutes. I have received E mails from a couple of fellows who have gone back to their mouth blown calls, and the coyotes seem to be responding better for them again. Food for thought?

On the calling from two different locations, I often use my cow horn howler for the coyote vocals to start off a stand. My FoxPro is sitting out there fifty yards cross-wind, and I use it to play the puppy squeals. Like any other little trick, sometimes it works and sometimes not. I have also had good luck playing a rabbit distress on the Electronic caller while I blow on a Burnham mini-squeal at the same time.
 

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Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on March 10, 2010, 01:07 PM:
 
My $.02 worth is that loud volume decreases the odds of a hard charger & increases the odds of a run by. Unless you're dealing with wind or some such factor, underestimating a coyote's hearing is mistake #1. YMMV Note that I'm defining Hard Charger as one that comes all the way in and not one that runs really hard to XX yards & then hangs up.
 

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Posted by Az-Hunter (Member # 17) on March 10, 2010, 01:36 PM:
 
I hate to give credit to someone that makes my skin crawl, but I refuse to take credit for a good phrase turn that I agree with. Robb Krause once opined that the "louder the call,the farther away a coyote will hear it,and the quicker they will get to it".....I tend to agree with that, and I'll bet he stole that line from Professor Higgins.
Im not a "pauser", and not much for being a "changer", other than hit a pup distress or coyote death cry after hitting a coyote out of a group of multiples that run off after entering the fire fight.
I pick one sound, play it with good volumn, and let it play untill Im finished with the stand, and thus far it's worked pretty well for me for a long time.
 

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Posted by Cdog911 (Member # 7) on March 10, 2010, 03:04 PM:
 
Despite having 110k acres to myself, I have to hunt many of my best spots multiple times throughout the year. If I were to stick to one strategy and not deviate from that, I'd quickly condition the coyotes to what I'm up to. So, I use the e-caller as an adjunct to my hand calls and mix up all the variables as the season goes along. SOmetimes, I'll actually run the caller and call over it, too, as I was doing Sunday morning to make it sound like all hell is breaking loose.

Start out the year with rabbit distress - strictly vanilla - because I really don't need anything else. Start and stop. After a few weeks, or after hitting a spot several times, I'll maybe let it run the entire time, start introducing some new noise. One day full volume, the nest time start soft. Mix it up.

With just hand calls, you have volume, cadence and whatever sound(s) the call you have makes as variables to work with. Carry three calls instead of one and you've multiplied your repertoire by "x". Add in an e-caller and you've opened up a litany of options allowing you to hunt a spot multiple times over the course of the season and never present the same scenario or paint the same picture twice, especially when you vary the time of day from morning to mid-day to afternoon to night.

Transition from just distress early on to adding more and more vocalizations as the season progresses until, around now, when just about everything you throw out there involves a howl or whine of some type, but not because howling won't work earlier. Just, why use it when you don't need to. Keep your powder dry and hold something in reserve for the late season.

Cronk's remark is interesting about coyotes shying to continuous noise. I've had people ask me if hand calls will ever be the thing again and I tell them not to throw them away. Most guys that use an e-caller run it continuously and tend to overuse the same small group of sounds. For the past several years, they've been better at calling in coyotes. But nowadays, their overuse is causing the coyotes to burn out to the sound and delivery they offer and I'm foreseeing the uniqueness offered by a hand-tuned call in the right hands as being just different enough to pique a coyote's curiosity. There will always be a place for a decent hand call in the mouth of an experienced screamer.

Hard chargers - the guy that first taught me how to call always said it was the more aggressive coyotes that came in first. I've seen several situations where we could see the family group several hundred yards out meander about while we called, only to have junior come in first. Junior gets whacked and the rest of the group turns and saunters off like "I told you so." Who comes in is a matter of the short straw and whoever dad tells to go in thsoe cases. One thing I do go by is that Kansas studies have shown 65% of our coyotes to affiliate with their family group year-round, therefore if I see a coyote, I figure there must be about a 6 in 10 chance that he's got a buddy. Sitting there and waiting for the littermate has paid off a lot since learning that.

I'm more interested in what compels a hard charger to come in so fast, especially when the conditions are such that they really shouldn't be that hungry. Indicative of another unseen coyote nearby that the charger thinks he has to beat to the meat? More competition for the food resource in an area indicating high densities of coyotes? (Why would a coyote hurry in or howl if there's no one esle around to compete with or talk to?) Or, always hungry as hell?

If the caller is away from me, I let 'em come in fast and might turn it down to make them look for it, but most of the time, keep it running somewhat to keep their attention. If I'm calling with a hand call, I shut up as soon as I see them and will only offer something to tweak their approach if they appear to be lost, and then only by directing the call down into my shirt caller of jacket so as to muffle it considerably.

I'll shut up now....
 

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Posted by Cdog911 (Member # 7) on March 10, 2010, 03:09 PM:
 
An afterthought on Cronk's remarks. I recently recorded and cleaned up some mp3's of me using my own custom calls and have been using them in the field in my caller. My buddy Kevin recognized that last weekend and asked me if that was me using one of my calls. I told him it was. He stopped. I looked back. He says, "you really are a lazy sunofabitch, aren't you?" I just laughed and told him I called for most of twenty minutes on that stand and didn't get winded or break a sweat. Sweet deal.
 

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Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on March 10, 2010, 03:32 PM:
 


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Posted by DAA (Member # 11) on March 10, 2010, 03:36 PM:
 
What Vic said.

- DAA
 

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Posted by DAA (Member # 11) on March 10, 2010, 03:49 PM:
 
A P.S...

I played with what I would consider extra loud volume this year, just for the heckuvit. Since I had a new Prairie Blaster and nothing better to do... I did not see where I thought it hurt a thing, not once. But did see, more than twice, where I thought it helped. Specifically, with coyotes coming in very late. And I don't mean sneaker peakers. I mean coyotes spotted 12 minutes or more into the stand, on the full run, most or all of a mile out, that continuted to run all the way in. Had more than two or three of those this year, all while playing with what I would consider "extra" loud volume.

Can't possibly be anything more than speculation on my part, but I do speculate that at least a couple of those coyotes would not have been taken with "low" volume.

- DAA
 

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Posted by JohnLK (Member # 1978) on March 10, 2010, 05:00 PM:
 
I only use open reed calls and tend to call fairly loud.But I also pause alot for 5-10min and don't get alot of hard chargers.It is just to hard to shoot a moving coyote with a single shot bolt pistol on a harris bipod.

[ March 10, 2010, 05:05 PM: Message edited by: JohnLK ]
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on March 10, 2010, 05:02 PM:
 
Dave. That's a good post, right there. I agree with every bit of it including the conclusions.

Good hunting. LB
 

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Posted by Kelly Jackson (Member # 977) on March 10, 2010, 06:24 PM:
 
Tim,
I have not used that sound. It just didn't sound good "to me" on my call for whatever reason.
I do the start and stop thing for coyotes.
If the area is wide open I crank it. If its tight I hold back at the first.
Coyote vocals I think need to be loud and proud unless I am in the deep woods. I just don't like the echo.
I have have many coyotes try to stick there head in the speaker this year with it cranked to full blast.
 

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Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on March 10, 2010, 08:04 PM:
 


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Posted by Randy Roede (Member # 1273) on March 11, 2010, 06:32 AM:
 
Student of the month 5 years runnin,LOL!!!!!! Deepthroat!!!LOL

Go kill somethin LB!!

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Posted by 6mm284 (Member # 1129) on March 11, 2010, 06:43 AM:
 
Great thread,, I often wonder if what sound one plays is as distinctive to a coyote as his abilty to hear and identify the audio or electronic characteristics of the e caller itself. Maybe a simpler way to say it is the coyote may recognize the individual ecaller more so than the individual call. We generally play loud and play continously if the terrain is big and wide open. If they can't hear it they won't come. Have seen many coyotes come right up to a loud call and others shyed from the same.
 

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Posted by CatTracker (Member # 3526) on March 11, 2010, 07:52 AM:
 

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does loud volume increase the odds that a coyote will be a hard charger?

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What happens when you decrease volume when an animal is first sighted?

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Is a hard charger mostly an Alpha animal?

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How many do you see that flare in, do not run to the caller and never stop? Maybe you call it "drive by"? Is this phenomena epidemic, under certain conditions?

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Does calling from two or more locations work? "very" effective? Not at all? For instance, hand calling while using a remote electronic machine.

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Very effective. One needs to be creative with high pressure coyotes.

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on March 11, 2010, 09:00 AM:
 
Thank you, cat tracker. At least we have somebody that writes to the question, a technique that works, and something that always served me well, in school, for instance. I think he deserves a GOLD STAR for his response! Yea!

Good hunting. LB
 

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Posted by Rich (Member # 112) on March 11, 2010, 11:37 AM:
 
Leonard,
Yep, the man deserves a gold star.
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on March 11, 2010, 12:02 PM:
 
Good deal, Rich!

Can I give one to Dan, too? You know how he is.

Thanks, LB
 

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Posted by 4949shooter (Member # 3530) on March 11, 2010, 12:04 PM:
 
What would you all suggest in the hardwoods of the northeast as far as volume is concerned?

On the one hand I believe loud volume is necessary due to the thick woods and hills we have. On the other hand, I get the feeling when a coyote gets too close to the loud call it seems unnatural to the dog, and will scare it off.

I think I was busted this way last fall while night hunting.

The one thing I tried later on in the year was keeping the distress sounds low and using vocalizations on the loud side. It hasn't worked as of yet.

What do you think?
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on March 11, 2010, 12:52 PM:
 
I think that loud volume is seldom the reason for messing up a coyote, but it could be a good reason why you did not get a response. In other words, as has been stated here, a hooked coyote will run right into a speaker with loud volume. Then it becomes an issue as to how you handle it.

On the other hand, if you are hunting hard wood forests, and using too much volume, and not seeing animals, then you have to decide if volume is the reason, all things considered.

There are no easy answers when you have negative results. That's when flexibility and experimentation come in to play. Translation: it's all guesswork.

Listen; there are many reasons why you don't see animals, weather, low pressure barometer, wind, rain, moon phase, hunting pressure; (Foxpro saturation), poor stand selection, clumsy approach, noise, movement, etc. etc.

Until you start doing things right, and learn from it, you can't cherry pick one thing and believe that you have carefully thought out the situation, arriving at a conclusion. Experience is far and away the best teacher.

Good hunting. LB
 

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Posted by 4949shooter (Member # 3530) on March 11, 2010, 01:10 PM:
 
I hear ya...
 

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Posted by Rich (Member # 112) on March 11, 2010, 01:46 PM:
 
Dan Carey,
A good friend of yours has requested that I send you a special gift.------

 

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Posted by Rich (Member # 112) on March 11, 2010, 01:53 PM:
 
4949.
I have this belief that less volume is better when calling in the woods. If I hear the sound echoing back at me, I turn the volume down a little. I don't know for sure, but it seems to me that the echo may confuse the critter. One thing for sure though, is that sound don't carry through the woods for a very long distance, so stands need to be closer together in there.
 

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Posted by 4949shooter (Member # 3530) on March 11, 2010, 02:26 PM:
 
Thank you Rich.

Edit: As an aside this was my first year hunting at night. I made some mistakes but learned a lot about hunting the dark side. I appreciate all the help I have received here and on the other forums.

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Posted by R.Shaw (Member # 73) on March 11, 2010, 07:13 PM:
 
My meager observations.
Continuous prey distress can create hard chargers. Continuous calling coupled with loud volume can create drive-bys, especially when the coyote has come quite some distance and you have a limited area to kill him.

Sometimes the area has a lot to do with it.Coyote vocals/pup distress can create hard chargers in western Oklahoma or Nebraska. However the same sounds can have just the opposite effect in Missouri and Kansas. They slow the stand down and in some cases the pup distress can drive away a coyote that is all by himself. If there are two or more coyotes you can get a positve result in my area here in MO.

And even if you think you know when to hold-em and when to fold-em.



Using continuous calling, the call was muted when the coyote was first spotted at 300 yards. Only slowed to medium hard charge and Leonard shot him still coming. Note the caller.



Let the caller run on this coyote and she checked up on her own.Chip shot for Leonard. Go figure.

Randy

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on March 11, 2010, 07:30 PM:
 
Hey, let's do it again!

BTW, that cripple still pisses me off.

Kool pics!

Good hunting. LB
 

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Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on March 11, 2010, 10:01 PM:
 

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Posted by predatorhunter (Member # 3559) on March 12, 2010, 08:32 AM:
 
I've tried leaving the caller on, calling a series and muting it, loud volume, low volume,switching sounds, ect... Now days I keep a log of what sounds and volume I used at each place along with results and method of calling and try to switch around so as not to educate no more than they already are. Since I started doing this I've gotten a better idea of what works and what don't at each place. Around here, there's not a lot of places to hunt compared to out west and midwest so, I end up hunting the same places alot and if I didn't write it down I wouldn't remember. The only advantage I have over some of you guys is there's not that many coyote hunters here. But, that's begining to change. I entered a contest last month and there were 122 callers entered in all. When I started calling, most folks here had never heard of calling anything but fox and that wasn't common since most fox hunters around here used dogs.
 

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Posted by Randy Roede (Member # 1273) on March 12, 2010, 09:19 AM:
 
I think we are all thinking to much.

The loud volume expands the potential area a sound can be heard.

Has the potential for more coyotes to react to the sound.

More likely to have the sound travel thru territorial boundries.

The volume of the sound IMO leads coyotes to believe it may be closer at the initial hearing and once started they continue to it's source. Nothing screams that loud in the real world or sounds that loud unless it is very close.

Each and every coyote has its own personality, agressive to passiveand all react accordingly. Life experiences can and do alter it.

If you fire up a sound in between to known groups territories or fire up a sound off a known location of a group usually you get different reactions and I call differently.

Same thing with areas with known high numbers, the singles are not going to work thru the group or pairs area to get to you. They have to be called away from them for it to work. Or work the fringe softly to get to the core.

The echo is an issue that does confuse them, seen them go in circles dam near trying to figure out the source. Not only trees but tall vegation like standing corn etc. They can really get cautious with the echo.

Bottom line is, time of year, sounds used, coyote density, range of sound, terrain, hunting pressure, getting in undetected, extreme weather, food sources, all contribute to how hard they come IMO!!

LB, I would think the coyote density being high had more to do with it than anything. Did you notice stands producing coyotes after you had shot coyotes more than normal? Maybe not killing them but seeing them taking a look?

I don't believe you will ever have a black or white equation but it does lead to some interesting conversation.
 

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Posted by Possumal (Member # 823) on March 12, 2010, 12:41 PM:
 
I have never believed in continuous calling or extreme volume. I know some guys call that way and kill coyotes, but it doesn't seem to work that well around here. In extremely cold weather, with no foliage, sound carries very well, and coyotes seem to respond better for me on lower volumes. I agree with Randy that the terrain probably affects this a lot. Many of the farms I hunt don't call for high volume. I call a lot crosswind with the wind, watching from a high vantage point. Most of the coyote vocals I use are high volume. Distress cries vary depending on the species and the setup. I always run a couple of low volume series, calling less and less as the stand wears on and watching more. This method has worked well for me and fellows I have taught.
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on March 12, 2010, 02:02 PM:
 

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LB, I would think the coyote density being high had more to do with it than anything. Did you notice stands producing coyotes after you had shot coyotes more than normal? Maybe not killing them but seeing them taking a look?

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Randy, this hunt was, (as your buddy Scott likes to say) a "snapshot in time".

It was obvious, from the first stand, killing a female in estrus, that this was going to be something I have not experienced, often. Reason; I seldom hunt coyotes after about the first week in February. It's a personal decision and I have always been comfortable with it.

(as opposed to regulated seasons and that kind of crap)

Anyway, there was only that first stand where we called three, and personally, I only saw two of them while dumping the female that was leading the parade.

Another Anyway. After the first stand on our first full day of hunting, we never saw anything but singles, and except for a couple males, they were all females. Having no history of hunting this late in the season, I really don't know if what we saw, was that most of the population was involved in breeding activities, or it (our results) was coincidental?

The short answer is: we never saw any hung up animals, at least, that weren't killed. We had two simultaneous discharges. On one of them, Randy claimed there was only one bullet hole? I had intended to open that one up because I didn't believe him, but never got around to it. I'd like to think he didn't miss.

Good hunting. LB

PS Al, I (personally) mildly disagree with the first sentence of your post, but believe there are a number of ways to handle a stand, some better than others.
 

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Posted by Az-Hunter (Member # 17) on March 12, 2010, 02:08 PM:
 
Kellys signature line comes to mind whenever these threads get started......"It's checkers, not chess"; Ive always liked that line:)
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on March 12, 2010, 02:11 PM:
 
We can do that, if you like?
 

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Posted by Az-Hunter (Member # 17) on March 12, 2010, 02:41 PM:
 
My appologies El B; I was just thinking outloud. When I read Als' first sentence I cringed, thinking, hell, some people don't believe there was a moon landing either, but that silly belief doesn't make it any less true?
The very thing he doesn't believe in, is the very essence of my success calling coyotes here, good volumn and calling continuous.
I don't believe in sequence calling, or estrus chirps,or decoys or having the ability to distinguish between a female challenge or a adolecent hello bark, but some guys do believe, and use that shit, and also manage to kill a few coyotes.
 

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Posted by Possumal (Member # 823) on March 13, 2010, 06:47 AM:
 
Hi Leonard. I thought this thread was about various people giving their take on volume, etc.. Maybe not. I gave my take on how to call here in central Ky. No method will work all the time, and every hunter should use the method he believes in for where he hunts. High volume and continuous calling is not the best way to go here, IMO.
 

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Posted by Andy L (Member # 642) on March 13, 2010, 08:27 AM:
 
Ive posted about this several times. There is something to what Al is saying. I was taught, and had always called, with pauses every few minutes. Never called at full volume til the end of a stand either.

First time I went to AZ, first guy I hunted with asked me after the stand what the hell I was doing. I was in shock. For the next week, everyone of the locals I hunted with sat the call out there crosswind, turned it all the way up and sat there for 20 minutes. And we killed coyotes. Ive tried it here and killed a few, but not as many as I do when I vary the sound and take breaks in the calling.

I dont know if its a terrain thing or what, but there does seem to be a difference.
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on March 13, 2010, 10:48 AM:
 

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Hi Leonard. I thought this thread was about various people giving their take on volume, etc.. Maybe not. I gave my take on how to call here in central Ky. No method will work all the time, and every hunter should use the method he believes in for where he hunts. High volume and continuous calling is not the best way to go here, IMO.

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Don't get the wrong idea, Al. You are entitled to your opinion. Very much so. But, here's the deal. We like to kick it around, your opinion and anybody else, they should not feel offended by being asked to defend their beliefs. As I said, I MILDLY disagreed, and I probably have not hunted much in your spots, and respect your methods. But, we should not be so complacent that we know what we do is the be all and end all. Sometimes some very assured individuals nibble on a small portion of "food for thought" and besides, it's mostly the neutral observer that is able to find a nugget, here and there by reading about differences of opinion.

So, don't take any question as an attack on your integrity and knowledge. We are just parsing these issues and hopefully for the benefit of everybody. I really think it works that way. You may find that on occasion, I might disagree with something just to get a response and justification for what they said. And, I may agree with what was said, in the first place, so gotta pay attention, keep on your toes.

If we always politely agreed with everything that is said, I think all of it would have less value?

Good hunting. LB

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Posted by Possumal (Member # 823) on March 13, 2010, 11:15 AM:
 
Leonard, I didn't take anything wrong. I gave my opinion, and that's all it was. All I was talking about is how I do it in Ky..
 

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Posted by JohnLK (Member # 1978) on March 15, 2010, 11:29 AM:
 
Here is a pic to help explain why I don’t call continuously and pause a lot. The wind is moving from the bottom left of the pic to the top right. I don’t want the coyote to pin point my location. I did a single mellow howl every 10min and it took 1.5hr for the coyote come out and started to walk across the pipeline. I barked the coyote stopped and I shot it with my 243 bolt pistol at 170yds. I feel that if I called continuously the coyote would pin point my location and come closer but stay inside the tree line.If the wind was in my face the coyote would more than likely cross behind me.
 

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Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on March 15, 2010, 12:59 PM:
 
JohnLK; That's a very nice photo. It makes me want to go outside and kiss the ground while giving thanx that I live in Arizona and not Three Rivers where I grew up.
 

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Posted by JeremyKS (Member # 736) on March 15, 2010, 01:41 PM:
 
Andy,
Whats your thinking as far as turning your volume up at the end of the stand? By turning your volume up at the end of the stand wouldn't your sound be reaching out there further thus you would need to allow quite a bit of time for the coyote to reach you? I would think by turning your volume up towards the beginning or middle of your stand you would see more response?
Just trying to learn.

Personally Im a stop and pause guy because my lungs won't last for 12 minutes!

Jeremy Gugelmeyer
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on March 15, 2010, 02:37 PM:
 
I'm glad you asked, because I had the same thought?
 

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Posted by TOM64 (Member # 561) on March 15, 2010, 03:16 PM:
 
I'll tag in for Andy.

Not really but my calling partner had this crazy idea too and I asked what he was doing. His reasoning was sometimes a coyote might be just inside the woods, being content to just be there and the sudden boost in volume kinda jars em into approaching the caller.

I saw it work and I saw it not work but we'll never know if we buggered our next stand so we quit that for the most part. We hunt close cover mostly and for the most part may not have permission to hunt across the fence. By directing the volume to a certain spot we can set up however is needed for the next stand.

Kinda like in bass fishing, you can fan cover every inch of the water or try a little finesse and place your lure where it'll do the most good without splashing the water out of the lake.

When I use hand calls I take a break but my e-caller plays continuously, both work here.
 

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Posted by Okanagan (Member # 870) on March 15, 2010, 05:08 PM:
 
I've reading and nibbling on one edge of the food for thought, to learn from my betters, and many of you are WAY better wolfers than I am. FWIW I've called them with pauses and called them with continuous sound. I didn't know any better. I've called them both ways from near the Mexican border to well into British Columbia. With an electronic the easiest and laziest way to call is to let it run, but I pause it some to listen.

As to volume, I tend to start with medium to low sound, go loud within one or two minutes, and taper volume off the last few minutes, for coyotes. My thinking was that if one was really close, he'd hear the low sound and not be jolted. If nothing shows right away, then go to loud to reach out there. Then I may taper it the last few minutes of a 20 minute stand trying to do some coaxing, etc. But the words "tend" and "may" are key. I don't lock on to one "always" method for hunting anything.

The wild card in all of this is the coyote who happens to ramble within earshot about the last sound we make on a stand.

As to coyotes locating the source of the sound: My impression from watching coyotes come up close into bow range from way out there is that they hear so well that most of the time they have a location pinpointed even from a short sound at long range. That might not be so true in heavy timber country with echoes, but it held up IME in brushy desert and hill country. When I have thought that a coyote had missed where I was hand calling, when I keep still and quiet so far they have always turned toward me again. I realized that they knew where the sound had come from all the time and that they were merely detouring around a bit of terrain or using some cover, etc.

Most rifle hunters would have already shot those coyotes and surmised that the critter was unsure about the location of the sound.

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Posted by TOM64 (Member # 561) on March 15, 2010, 05:57 PM:
 
I too believe they can pin point sound. I was in a tree stand bow hunting once when I heard some coyotes howling on the neighbors place. I pulled out a call and gave a few short tries to call one into range but decided to quit and go back to deer hunting.

About 10 minutes after I quit, a coyote walked right up to the tree I was in, smelled a tree step and ran away. It made me a believer.
 

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Posted by JohnLK (Member # 1978) on March 15, 2010, 06:29 PM:
 
Iagree,pin point may have been the wrong way to explain it.
 

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Posted by CrossJ (Member # 884) on March 15, 2010, 06:55 PM:
 

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.. and it took 1.5hr for the coyote come out

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Crikey!!! One and a half hours?! How do you know the coyote didnt wander into ear shot seven minutes before you saw him?

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Without a fresh snow I don't. But sometimes after taking that long or more and have fresh snow I have gone around the mile section and seen no fresh tracks going in.
 

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Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on March 15, 2010, 08:12 PM:
 


[ March 28, 2010, 09:49 PM: Message edited by: TA17Rem ]
 

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Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on March 15, 2010, 08:15 PM:
 


[ March 28, 2010, 09:49 PM: Message edited by: TA17Rem ]
 

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Posted by CrossJ (Member # 884) on March 15, 2010, 08:35 PM:
 

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The key is to select a place around here with short yellow grass if possible.

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