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Posted by Randy Roede (Member # 1273) on August 06, 2010, 03:48 PM:
A good dog in this line of work is priceless!!!
Took some pics of my Cur earning his keep today.
He engaged these two coyotes at about 225 yards in this pic and is bringing them to me.
Doesn't need to many commands no shock collar he's not perfect but he works good for me. Doesn't push to hard just hard enough. He'll be 4 in Nov.
Posted by Randy Roede (Member # 1273) on August 06, 2010, 03:53 PM:
Gettin closer!!
Posted by Randy Roede (Member # 1273) on August 06, 2010, 03:56 PM:
About 15 feet
Posted by Randy Roede (Member # 1273) on August 06, 2010, 03:57 PM:
Posturing!!
Posted by Randy Roede (Member # 1273) on August 06, 2010, 03:59 PM:
Tryin to figure out what the hell I am.
Posted by Randy Roede (Member # 1273) on August 06, 2010, 04:01 PM:
Then the money shot, which one dies first and what sex are they?
Posted by 4949shooter (Member # 3530) on August 06, 2010, 04:30 PM:
Don't know about the sex, but my guess is the closer one dies first. Just because it's close and it and looks pissed.
Great pics and cool dog.
Posted by Dave Allen (Member # 3102) on August 06, 2010, 05:38 PM:
Ok, I'll bite, even though I may ridicule myself in the process.
I know absolutely nothing about ADC work.
My guess is that the female is in the lead and the male is lurking in the background ? and you will take out the male ?
I "cringed" as I typed that !
What the hell ![[Wink]](wink.gif)
Posted by RagnCajn (Member # 879) on August 06, 2010, 06:11 PM:
Male is in the lead and the close one dies first. Something about a bird in the hand.
Posted by jwelk (Member # 2051) on August 06, 2010, 07:02 PM:
My guess would be the female is the far one and kill her first.
Great pictures!!
[ August 06, 2010, 07:03 PM: Message edited by: jwelk ]
Posted by Andy L (Member # 642) on August 06, 2010, 07:44 PM:
The close one isnt pissed. Its actually frozen in place by a new feature on the WT. Randy can take his time and roll the furthest one and then at the shot, the close one will thaw and he can kill it still at close range.
Its called the Freeze Bang.
Seriously Randy, Great pics and thanks for sharing. I love watchin a good dog work. ![[Cool]](cool.gif)
Posted by Paul Melching (Member # 885) on August 06, 2010, 08:02 PM:
Great pics Randy!
Close one is probably the female and youll shoot the male first. ![[Eek!]](eek.gif)
Posted by 3 Toes (Member # 1327) on August 06, 2010, 08:26 PM:
Close one is the male, and the female dies first! What did I win?!
Posted by Kelly Jackson (Member # 977) on August 06, 2010, 09:07 PM:
Nice pics.
You shot the timid coyote first.
Hoped the fired up coyote worked the dog at range.
Did he?
[ August 06, 2010, 09:14 PM: Message edited by: Kelly Jackson ]
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on August 06, 2010, 09:13 PM:
I go along with Cal, close one is the male and you shot the female first.
What I want to know is, what does your dog do to help between the first and second shot?
Good hunting. LB
Posted by Steve Craig (Member # 12) on August 06, 2010, 09:47 PM:
Male in the lead and kill the bitch first!
Leonard, the dog will simply chase the male for a while,and allow the coyote to chase him too and hopefully bring him back into range. Doesnt always work that way all the time, but most of the time with a good dog.
Posted by 4949shooter (Member # 3530) on August 07, 2010, 03:32 AM:
quote:
The close one isnt pissed. Its actually frozen in place by a new feature on the WT. Randy can take his time and roll the furthest one and then at the shot, the close one will thaw and he can kill it still at close range.
Its called the Freeze Bang.
That's too funny! ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
Posted by TRnCO (Member # 690) on August 07, 2010, 08:11 AM:
Shoot the far one first, since the close one is the most aggressve and most likely the dog can work it back for the 2nd shot.
My guess is female close, male far.
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on August 07, 2010, 08:46 AM:
See my guess, above. However, normally, I shoot the closest animal because many times the one way out there does not have a good grasp of what just happened and can be persuaded to wait for his buddy. But, normally, that will not be this time of year when I do not hunt, and it will not be a depredation situation....hence, my official guess stands.
Randy, hello! Where are youse?
Good hunting. LB
Posted by Possumal (Member # 823) on August 07, 2010, 09:00 AM:
Hard to tell but I'll go along with TRnCO. Great pictures, Randy. Love that dog.
Posted by Randy Roede (Member # 1273) on August 07, 2010, 10:03 AM:
LB, I'm watchin, so far lots of good thinking and logic. Hate to stop the think tank!!!
Story was, Rancher went to move a bull on horse with a dog. The bulls are just to the left of the flowers in the first pic. THREE coyotes came out and put a chase on the dog and spooked the horse, about bucking him off. Barely able to spook the coyotes off the dog, bit him up good.
Pictures don't do justice as to the dog coyote interaction, they were behind me, over me, etc. They must have went back and forth 15-20 times. Only the one engaged the dog, it wolfed the other off at about a 100 yards, about where you see the dog in the first pic.
You just got a couple more clues.
Posted by Cdog911 (Member # 7) on August 07, 2010, 11:13 AM:
I'll guess dog close because testes will make a guy be stupid and aggressive and such, bitch at a distance where she was stood back by the dog as he pursued. Shoot the bitch first to avoid taking a 200 yard running shot by the time you shoot, reload and get onto her after shooting the dog in close, then shoot the dog as a 100 yard runner straight away on that nice flat field. At least, that'd be the plan.
Posted by Krustyklimber (Member # 72) on August 07, 2010, 11:28 AM:
RR "Barely able to spook the coyotes off the dog, bit him up good."
What does this sentence mean? (My English Professor would have had a hayday with it!)
Who was barely able to spook whom, and who was bit by whom?
That is the most gawd-awful disgusting looking country I've ever laid eyes on!
Krusty 
Posted by Nikonut (Member # 188) on August 07, 2010, 11:36 AM:
No doubt in my mind I would pop the far one first regardless of sex... looks like a chip shot with perfect position.
The close one will stop anyway, "They always do!".
I'd say they are both males, with the closest one a younger male. The third coyote, not seen here might have been the bitch. Could go either way if it's a family group.
The close one wolfing off the far one is a challenge though. Hmnnn?
Nikonut
Cool pics anyway you look at it!
Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on August 07, 2010, 12:56 PM:
Both coyotes female, farthest being the older one and closest being a pup from last year.. Shoot fartest first...
Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on August 07, 2010, 01:26 PM:
Krusty;
Yeah, that's some Gawd-awful looking country, but about the first time that you spot a tiny white speck on the horizon that slowly resolves it's self into a coyote loping in to the call while you're whispering to yourself, "C'mon, come to papa" it starts looking pretty good.
Now, about that Douglas Fir, Vine Maple, Blackberry, Fern, jungle-in-a-rainstorm, corner of Hell called the Pacific NorthWET...............
Posted by TOM64 (Member # 561) on August 07, 2010, 02:03 PM:
Female up close and bust her first, the second one will still be waiting on her to tell her what to do cause it's subordinate.
Posted by Randy Roede (Member # 1273) on August 07, 2010, 02:16 PM:
Krusty, Coyotes bit up cow dog!! Sorry, I am far better at doing it than writing about it.
Niko you win, two males, far one younger than the close one.
Got them to sound off after I heard the story from the rancher on the road about 9 a.m. Never did hear the pups or the third coyote.That flower field is about 600-800acres she may have been movin them around in there with all the howlin. I located from the opposite side I was going in from to pull them over so they couldn't see me come in.
When you do get this much agression at the get go you just start looking for the 2nd coyote etc. You just consider, the agressive one, already dead, let it work the dog and bring in any other adults.
As soon as the second is in range you take it and then send the dog. Usually I leave whatever sound is tripping it's trigger playing while I shoot the far one, not always but when you have time to. The dog is trained to either go to the one just shot or get on the live ones at the sound of the gunshot. He's not a chewer or killer nor do I want him to be. I have a neighbor with a mini Chaweanie thing, I had my Cur dog in coyotes one day, all jacked up by the time we got home. Let him out of the back of the truck going to kennel him and that thing come runnin into my yard barkin and carrying on, I just started wonderin how much this was going to cost me! Luckily when the Cur got to her she rolled over on her belly and quit barkin etc. He just stood over her growlin. I've got dogs runnin loose all the time around my house. Drives mine nuts!
Easy to see why trained decoy dogs bring good money if you can find one.
Andy, that info was to be kept quiet!!! Start calling you "Loose Lips Lauglin"
Posted by knockemdown (Member # 3588) on August 07, 2010, 07:58 PM:
WOW!
Super photos & a very informative thread!
Posted by Nikonut (Member # 188) on August 07, 2010, 08:19 PM:
"far one younger than the close one"
The far coyote just looks bigger. That's the part that was throwing me... thought they might even be litter mates.
I can certainly see where a good dog would be a must for that kind of work. Very cool to see!
Nikonut
Posted by R.Shaw (Member # 73) on August 07, 2010, 08:40 PM:
Captain's Log....August 7, 2010
Randy Roede is The Man.
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on August 07, 2010, 09:01 PM:
All this conversation is more germaine to that flat featureless grassland shown. In heavier cover, either of those animals can be out of sight before you know it. Common situation in AZ.
Good hunting. LB
Posted by Nikonut (Member # 188) on August 08, 2010, 08:32 AM:
I've hunted both Leonard...
You are very right about that! It's fun to watch them come in from a 1/2mile out, just like it's fun and fast when they suddenly are just, "THERE!".
I'd sure like to watch Randy work for real. Never hunted with a dog before, lots of excitement I'm sure.
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on August 08, 2010, 09:58 AM:
Yeah, well. I hunted with my dog one time, only. She succeeded in chasing off three coyotes in a pack, all the while blocking any shot attempt by me. So, I left her in the cab on the very next stand and she thanked me by locking herself in and attempting to defeat every piece of rusty wire I worked through the edge of the door. I was so pissed off that she never made another stand, ever.
Thinking back, it was actually funny as hell, but she was a bit too aggressive for that type of work. A good dog however, a beautiful redbone, and I miss her. She had a couple operations, a broken femur and hip and couldn't swim. She drowned, at 16 she had cataracts and we couldn't keep her away from the pool. Unfortunate set of circumstances. She was pulled out four times, a good voice, but the fifth time, nobody was home.
Good hunting. LB
[ August 08, 2010, 10:02 AM: Message edited by: Leonard ]
Posted by Kelly Jackson (Member # 977) on August 08, 2010, 10:46 AM:
There is nothing quite like seeing a coyote raising hell and doing a challange howl 30-40 yards or less in front of you.
The only way I seen this happen is with a good dog.
Great post Randy.
Stay after them
Kelly
Posted by Nikonut (Member # 188) on August 08, 2010, 03:18 PM:
Thanks for sharing that about your dog Leonard.
They do become like family and so dear to one's heart... even when they screw up and really piss you off! Just like family!!!!
Randy, those pics could easily make a magazine article or DVD cover!
Nikonut
Posted by parvo (Member # 3640) on August 09, 2010, 09:44 AM:
after lookin at those pics. i spent a few hours on you tube lookin at videos like that.. the first one the popped up was tony's (tebbe)dog "gunner"..he
called in three , shot one and the others bolted but gunner brought them back and he was able to kill all three ...it was really cool to see gunner work them like he did... there is no way in heck he coulda got all 3 without gunner !!!! im am really wanting to see this kinda action in person !! kj came up one evening and brought his dogs and we went but we didnt have any takers ...those are some awsome pics. !! you are much more of a "stud" than i am to beable to run that camera while all that was goin on !! very cool indeed.... thanks for sharing
Posted by TOM64 (Member # 561) on August 09, 2010, 10:15 AM:
Runnie?
Posted by Nikonut (Member # 188) on August 09, 2010, 10:26 AM:
Cheesburger!!!!
Kelly has some great dogs... course he's one hell of a hunter, too!
Sure would be cool to see Randy and Kelly, maybe RShaw and even Andy all come to the OKIE hunt! I'd love to see their dogs work and hear what they might have to say about calling!
Posted by Kelly Jackson (Member # 977) on August 09, 2010, 10:47 AM:
My dogs are not near what Randy and Cals are.
They work them for a livin, and I just work dogs cause I like to.
Catch you later
Kelly
Posted by parvo (Member # 3640) on August 09, 2010, 04:45 PM:
TOM ----hello !!! im dried up it aint runnie anymore !!!lol
nikonut ! tom you should know by now its gotta be a double !!! lol
Posted by TOM64 (Member # 561) on August 09, 2010, 06:08 PM:
Lord help us...
Posted by Nikonut (Member # 188) on August 09, 2010, 08:17 PM:
...and just think about this,
Leonard said in another thread he was sitting at the computer in his blue plaid lounging PJ's!!!! What's the world coming to!!!
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on August 09, 2010, 08:19 PM:
Somebody needs to start counting Okies. What's the limit, anyway?
Posted by Kelly Jackson (Member # 977) on August 09, 2010, 09:33 PM:
15 like doves...lol
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