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Rich
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posted December 29, 2010 05:31 PM
I found this photo on another board. They think that coyote killed this sheep. What do you guys think?
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Leonard
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posted December 29, 2010 06:15 PM
Can't we at least have multiple choice?
1) Aliens
2) a flock of magpies
3) ol' shep
4) blankity blank ky o tees
5) Drones operated by the C.I.A
6) a 25'06 with 75 gr. VMax
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TA17Rem
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posted December 29, 2010 06:26 PM
Vultures...
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Leonard
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posted December 29, 2010 06:55 PM
Damn, Tim. I was just kidding. I hope you were, too?
Good hunting. LB
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Kokopelli
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posted December 29, 2010 07:29 PM
It was New Zelanders that did it. (They hate our sheep) What do I win?? ![[Razz]](tongue.gif)
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trapper2
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posted December 29, 2010 07:32 PM
what part of the country did it happen in?
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TA17Rem
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posted December 29, 2010 08:03 PM
Yup.
Perhaps it was the Wookie that did it. His hands must of gotten cold and he stopped to warm them on the way home.. I hear they do that to there dogs up that way. ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
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El Guapo
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posted December 29, 2010 08:20 PM
Without skinning it is impossible to tell for sure, but as a casual glance I would say in all likelyhood, yes it was probably a coyote kill. Classic throat wound by the picture. Looks like damage right under the jawbone, which normally is where the bottom teeth hit. Too clean of kill for domestic dogs.
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Leonard
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posted December 29, 2010 08:22 PM
Makes sense, Cal. But, what would you be looking for, by skinning?
Good hunting. LB
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SD Howler
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posted December 29, 2010 08:45 PM
I would skin out the neck area and check the skin for puncture holes from the canine teeth of a coyote. It sure appears to be a coyote kill to me. Dogs normally don't have a clean kill such as happened with this lamb.
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Rich
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posted December 29, 2010 09:42 PM
"Without skinning it is impossible to tell for sure, but as a casual glance I would say in all likelyhood, yes it was probably a coyote kill. Classic throat wound by the picture. Looks like damage right under the jawbone, which normally is where the bottom teeth hit. Too clean of kill for domestic dogs."
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Thank you Cal, my uneducated eyes missed that wound. I couldn't make this a multiple choice question because then it would have been too easy for Leonard.
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TundraWookie
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posted December 29, 2010 10:29 PM
Not a wookie, I would've eaten the tenderloins and used that warm wool for a hat.
I think it's a photo-shop job to cover up the love marks from TA.
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TA17Rem
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posted December 29, 2010 10:44 PM
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I would've eaten the tenderloins and used that warm wool for a hat.
Did'nt know anyone eats that stuff other than dogs after its been cooked and mixed with something else..
I see youre still passing the f-p cool-aid around on P.M. ![[Roll Eyes]](rolleyes.gif)
If you would take the time to see where the posters are from you will notice non of them live in a igloo so they don't need the special (-30) wires for there callers or the hot packs for that matter... But if thats what it takes to keep the f-p working more power to ya.
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TA17Rem
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posted December 29, 2010 10:48 PM
Cal. What would be the difference between a coyote killed lamb and a lamb killed by a bobcat or lion??????
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TundraWookie
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posted December 30, 2010 06:15 AM
TA,
Glad to see you're keeping tabs on me still.
Why do you even use a remote caller when the thing is sitting right beside you, or on top of the bucket? TA, do you have the WT Young Female Howls and Single Male howls on your WT? If so, let me know, I have a question for you.
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Lone Howl
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posted December 30, 2010 07:45 AM
Id say, from the looks of it...that it's Bush's fault. Im sure he did it.
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El Guapo
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posted December 30, 2010 07:49 AM
LB, By skinning the neck out as SD suggested you can see the bite marks in the hide and damage to the neck. Since a coyote is actually smaller that the size of lamb in the picture they typically bite the neck right there at the junction of the skull and eventually either get the jugular or suffocate the lamb. You will find the top teeth marks and alot of damage up by the ear. You can tell alot by the width of the canines and many times see the exact impint of the teeth in the hide.
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JohnLK
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posted December 30, 2010 08:42 AM
Don't coyotes normally start eating the back of the hindend frist after the kill?
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TA17Rem
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posted December 30, 2010 08:53 AM
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Why do you even use a remote caller when the thing is sitting right beside you, or on top of the bucket? TA, do you have the WT Young Female Howls and Single Male howls on your WT? If so, let me know, I have a question for you.
I use the remote because it came with the caller and its the only way you can operate the call.. I used a Dennis Kirk for years that did'nt have the remote it was operated by hand by just pushing a button..With a good set up I don't need the caller sitting 40 yds away..
As for the WT sounds I have the Y F howls and Y single howls......
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Leonard
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posted December 30, 2010 09:12 AM
I would like to know as a previous post asked, how to distinguish between a cat kill and a coyote kill? Assuming no tracks.
Seems to me, the lion (sometimes) clamps down on the back of the skull, but they eat out the internal organs in the same manor as the above photo? Sudden thought; they cover and hide the kill, which a coyote has never thought of doing, so maybe it's a stupid question?
Now, if bite marks under the head, in the area of the throat is diagnostic for coyote; how do feral dogs usually kill a relatively defenseless animal...and will a deer kill look different?
Good hunting. LB
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SD Howler
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posted December 30, 2010 11:16 AM
Years back when the fox numbers were higher in SD, we would check the spacing of the skin punctures from the canine teeth. This width for the coyotes averages 1 1/4" and fox is 1".
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Cdog911
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posted December 30, 2010 11:42 AM
Until Cal responds, most dog kills I've seen presented with lotsa bite marks everywhere else. especially around the hindquarters as they pulled the animal down. On the few kills that I've skinned out, we've done so, as Cal said, to identify the canine imprints and measured them to ensure that they were what we thought they were. In one instance, working with F. Robert Henderson, we had three young steers that had been pulled down and killed, and one that was circling the drain. All four had multiple wounds around the nose and face. Upon skinning back the hide, we were able to confirm that we had three different dogs, in this case, involved as the spacing between the canines (width) was different enough that it was easy to see that they were made by different animals.
Would have been a more informative pic if they'd taken it at the scene of the kill, but that sheep has been moved.
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Leonard
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posted December 30, 2010 12:49 PM
Moved, eh? I thought there was something a little worrysome about that pic, but I couldn't exactly put my finger on it! I think you're right.
Good hunting. LB
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Randy Roede
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posted December 30, 2010 03:17 PM
John, I'm betting if you look in that lamb the heart and liver are gone and maybe some other internal organs. The paunch is the easiest place to open it up.
Cat or lion may cover or atempt to cover whats left and eat on it very cleanly with the claws serving as a fork to hold while they eat off the meat while a coyote will rip and pull chunks of hide with the meat.
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JohnLK
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posted December 30, 2010 04:40 PM
Here is a pic of a coyote deer kill and is normal when I come across them.The deer was still warm when I took the pic. The internals were still inside but the hindquaters are usally the frist to go.There was 3 coyotes and a bunch of crows on it. Came back the next morning and shot another coyote off it. 
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