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Posted by TOM64 (Member # 561) on March 23, 2014, 06:42 PM:
For some reason I'm not having any luck stopping an incoming coyote by shutting off the caller or barking at them. Yesterday I had another one come charging in, ran by the caller and circled towards me looking back and forth at the caller then at me. I shot him on the run about 20 yards as he crossed in front of me.
Just wondering if y'all have another trick to try or if maybe it's just the time of year or maybe cause I'm using vocals alone. I understand there's too many variables, just looking for ideas.
Posted by Lone Howl (Member # 29) on March 23, 2014, 08:13 PM:
For me, if they are real close and moving, I dont even try most times, I just shoot em. In my experience, for me, I miss more close, standing still "easy" shots, than I do loping/running shots. I dont know what it is.
Having said that, if I do try to stop them with a bark or howl or whatever...I do it maybe once or twice real quick, and if he dont stop,..and Im not satisfied with his body language and what I think he intends to do, my brain is calculating what I need to do to dump em.
Mark
Posted by Aaron Rhoades (Member # 4234) on March 23, 2014, 09:11 PM:
I don't do it very often but sometimes a growl works for me when whistling or whooping doesnt. Seems like they have to see what/where the aggression is coming from.
Posted by UTcaller (Member # 8) on March 24, 2014, 02:26 AM:
Just let em come and pound them in the face with a heavy dose of BB's or 4 buck.
Good Hunting Chad
Posted by DiYi (Member # 3785) on March 24, 2014, 03:36 AM:
Interesting thought about 'vocals' and time of year.Has happened to me quite a few times the last 2 weeks.
Posted by Greenside (Member # 10) on March 24, 2014, 04:04 AM:
Try stopping them before they get tighter than 100yds ,or in that range. I'n the past i've had good luck with loud whistles and hand waves or some type of obvious movement.
Posted by jimanaz (Member # 3689) on March 24, 2014, 04:36 AM:
A guy in your neck of the woods, who kills a few coyotes, gave me some good advice a couple years back. Try a challenge scream.
Posted by TRnCO (Member # 690) on March 24, 2014, 05:02 AM:
Yip, what Jimzy said, works pretty good. These days I seem to use the Ecaller to stop them, instead of my mouth, with either barks set on high or the challenge bark/howl. They both work pretty good.
Posted by Aznative (Member # 506) on March 24, 2014, 05:58 AM:
I've had them stop with a lip squeak.
Posted by TOM64 (Member # 561) on March 24, 2014, 07:22 AM:
Challenge scream, I'll try that, thanks Jim and TR.
Posted by Kelly Jackson (Member # 977) on March 24, 2014, 09:55 AM:
yep preset number 5.
Posted by Dave Allen (Member # 3102) on March 24, 2014, 10:22 AM:
Funny how things change over time.
This excact scernerio is what got me hooked on coyote calling.. ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on March 24, 2014, 11:09 AM:
Turning off the sound works very well, but usually when they are much further out, not when they are within 40 yards.
But, if anything is going to work, (and many solutions will work, once in a while) it's a bark. That is almost guaranteed to get them to lock up and stare directly at the source of the bark. I wouldn't have time for a challenge scream, whatever that is, but a simple neutral sounding bark seems to work damned near 100% of the time.
Good hunting. El Bee
Posted by Paul Melching (Member # 885) on March 24, 2014, 12:05 PM:
I agree with Leonard on this one. Barks almost always work for me , but when they ain't stopping not sure anything short of a well placed shot will stop em.
Posted by TOM64 (Member # 561) on March 24, 2014, 12:21 PM:
I shouldn't have even been out there Saturday, the wind was out of the North at about 20-25 with gusts that blew my hat off a few times. But I had one spot that I needed a North wind so I went anyway.
I made the mistake of setting in a drainage that blocked my view of the wide open 100 acre pasture to my right but gave me a perfect view of the tree line 300 yards up and to my left. I've called several coyotes out of there before and this should have been easy.
But the coyote appeared from my right in a full run till he heard me bark, looked at me and slowed a tad, looked at the caller then gained speed looking at me and circled back towards me. While I was wishing for my machine gun, I had my 22-250ai I hit him a little far back and opened him up. Had to finish him with a shot to the head.
Got me to wondering when did they quit stopping and what was I doing different? This was the 4th one in a month that wouldn't stop. Luckily I've hit all 4 but I figure a new approach might be appropriate. It never hurts to ask.
Posted by Kelly Jackson (Member # 977) on March 24, 2014, 02:34 PM:
Had 3 come hard to howls yesterday. They didn't check till they saw my dogs headed towards them.
Worked em just enough to get all three killed. 2 females and a male.
Most of the time muting the call is enough and lets them check on their own. Sometimes not.
Yall stay after them
Kelly
Posted by TRnCO (Member # 690) on March 24, 2014, 05:43 PM:
When calling coyotes, sometimes they come fast, sometimes they come slow and sometimes they won't come at all, and stopping them is just the opposite. Sometimes they'll stop on a dime, some times they slow down and eventually check up, and sometimes they won't stop no matter what. There's more than one sound that will bring them, and more than one sound that will stop them, BUT nothing works 100% of the time.
Posted by TOM64 (Member # 561) on March 24, 2014, 06:41 PM:
Amen!
Posted by Eddie (Member # 4324) on March 25, 2014, 04:57 AM:
TR that is as plain and simple as you can get it. The mans got to have some Okie in him to tell it like that with out all the bull shit.
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Posted by UTcaller (Member # 8) on March 25, 2014, 05:40 AM:
Pack both a shotgun and a rifle along and not many get away whether they stop or not.
Good Hunting Chad
Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on March 25, 2014, 08:03 AM:
Good stuff !!!!
TR pretty much sums everything up in a nutshell.
I've called a few coyotes, but the ones I'll always remember involved ones that would not stop and a Mini-14.
Years ago, in Ore, I had one come in hard. The shooting started at about 40 yards in sagebrush and continued for a while, ending with a hit to the back of it's head at about 50 yards. When I got back to the truck there was a rancher waiting who asked "How many shots did it take to kill that coyote?" I told him "One". He asked what the Hell all the shooting was then and I told him that the first seven or eight shots missed. Only took one to kill it, though. We both drove off grinning.
Posted by Wily E (Member # 3649) on March 28, 2014, 03:35 PM:
Since I don't know the habitat you are calling in, I'll cover both.
If you are calling in heavier cover where contact is usually close, I would recommend packing a shotgun, wearing full camo, and let the coyotes do what coyotes do.
When calling in more open country as I do, the best way to stop the highest percentage of coyotes is with intermittent calling, using coyote vocalizations with distress or alone, and leave your face uncovered.
When you bark and they see your face, you will stop more coyotes than if you bark when in total camouflage where they don't see a reason to stop.
Think about it. Why should they stop when they have a perfect line on the sound, due to continual calling of prey sounds, and they don't see anything because you are in full camo? That's just a race to the dinner table.
Yeh, you can stop a lot of them with just barking but you will stop more of them by giving them something to look at that raises caution.
What a coyote sees is just as important as what they hear in stopping the highest percentage.
The use of coyote vocals will usually slow their approach down more often than prey sounds alone.
Remember, the exception does not the rule make.
~SH~
[ March 28, 2014, 03:38 PM: Message edited by: Wily E ]
Posted by UTcaller (Member # 8) on March 31, 2014, 01:43 AM:
I can say without a doubt my life as a coyote caller has become alot simpler and more successful since i made the decision to carry both a rifle and a shotgun to every stand. Thick sage brush to wide open country, doesn't matter much i still pack the shotgun along. At first it was little hard to get used to packing the extra gun but I'm used to it now and it has come in handy more times than i can count. It amazes me how close you can get coyote to come even in very open country if you just lay down flat and let em come. And there's really nothing like a semi auto shotgun when you have multiples within shotgun range.
Good Hunting Chad
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on March 31, 2014, 07:00 AM:
I used to do that, Chad. Just for contest hunts. Not so much, anymore.
It's not just a rifle and a shotgun; it's a rifle and a shotgun and a stool and an ecaller.
I guess it means I'm getting lazy? But, you are right, it's the smart thing to do.
Good hunting. El Bee
Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on March 31, 2014, 07:32 AM:
"rifle, shotgun, stool & ecaller"
And;
Shooting sticks
And
A calling bag
And
A decent camera
And
A Thermos of a good expresso
And
Maybe an ax and shovel to build a cabin and stay a while.
Posted by TOM64 (Member # 561) on March 31, 2014, 09:21 AM:
Hard to pack all if that on a bicycle ain't it Koko?
Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on March 31, 2014, 03:08 PM:
I've got an old Schwinn Sierra, one of the original Mountain Bikes. Packing a bunch of stuff in on it isn't all that hard........it's packing a big game animal back out that's the neat trick.
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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on April 06, 2014, 10:24 AM:
Well, if everyone has had their say. I would just point out that I spent a hell of a lot of time and energy trying to stop a coyote with a friggin' lip squeak! Finally convinced; it don't work. Forget it.
These young people today have it made. Geezus, whenI started, you couldn't buy camo anywhere. And, I am not exaggerating. Maybe an odd WWII pattern, but look at what's available today.
I hand built my first portable caller out of a Motorola 8 track. Nowadays, 100 sounds is basic stuff, in a ecaller that looks like the flashlights we used to use for picking up animals at night.
Funny thing is, back then, I was killing a hell of a lot more animals than today. It would be unheard of to see 50 animals a night, these days, but we did. Of course, we only seemed to average 7 killed, but that's nothing to be ashamed of.
I'm just saying, with nobody to turn to, no videos and CD's, it was all trial and error and there were a lot of errors. But still, with all the advantages we have today, the real problem is POPULARITY.
I read stuff in that Predator Extreme rag and a lot of it is/okay be nice. I must be getting old?
Good hunting. El Bee
[ April 06, 2014, 10:25 AM: Message edited by: Leonard ]
Posted by TOM64 (Member # 561) on April 06, 2014, 12:21 PM:
Up until early 2000 when we got internet, I didn't know anyone hunted them except me and mine.
And Carhart coveralls were all the camo I needed. It was just something else to shoot and I never thought I'd need to know so much to kill a coyote. But you're right, with everyone buying a FP, they have flooded the woods so I make fewer stands that have to be just right and talk up duck hunting in public.
[ April 06, 2014, 04:45 PM: Message edited by: TOM64 ]
Posted by UTcaller (Member # 8) on April 06, 2014, 03:32 PM:
Until a few years ago i would just wear a olive green hooded Carhart coat and jeans, now days i wear a kings camo hoodie, or kings camo coat depending on how cold it is. But still just jeans. I would still be using the carhart coat if i hadn't been given the camo as Christmas gifts.lol
As far as the new wave of e-callers out there they are nice and convient tools that help in alot of different calling situations but honestly i have killed more coyote by along shot with plain ol hand calls than with my foxpro callers.
Good Hunting Chad
Posted by DanS (Member # 316) on April 06, 2014, 04:20 PM:
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And Carhart coveralls were all the camo I needed.
I wear those and generally a leafy top. Heck I know a guy who wears blue denim.
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