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Topic: Comparing the Fox Pro caller to the Western Rivers Predation call
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22-250 Varmint Special
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posted December 30, 2006 07:40 PM
I am wanting to upgrade from casettes and am considering either a Fox Pro or the Western Rivers Predation caller. I'm not too thrilled about the price of the Fox Pro for the limited amout of hunting I can do if the Wester Rivers call is just as good. Any input would be greatly appreciated.
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Cdog911
"There are some ideas so absurd only an intellectual could believe them."--George Orwell.
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posted December 30, 2006 08:04 PM
I look at e-callers like I look at buying a new computer. The first PC I bought was "a computer". Since then, I've built two to fit my needs today and what I expected them to do down the line. What do you expect from it today and what will you expect it to do in the future?
The Bandit offers much the same features as the FoxPro, especially if you're a recreational caller. Whistles and bells? Lighted remote? I can't call at night. 700 yard range? Wouldn't I be calling the coyote away from me at that kind of range? Kinda like asking me to spend $600 on a push mower when the $200 model I have at home does what I expect of it: cut grass.
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Dan Carey
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posted December 30, 2006 08:12 PM
I have always thought the Foxpro's were overpriced, I have one. I call more critters with a mouth call than I ever have with the Foxpro.
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TOM64
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posted December 30, 2006 09:44 PM
I may be out of line here but does western rivers have any of their own ideas? seems like they've copied the loud mouth, several mouth calls and even lights. I won't buy from them just on account of that.
While I had some problems with a Fox pro 16 version my partner has an FX3 that has been trouble free and calls critters pretty good. If I decide to get another e caller I may look at a Minaska Bandit just to have both at hand but either one would be my suggestion.
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Andy L
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posted December 30, 2006 10:00 PM
Im on my third year with the WR. No problems. Probably not the best and not all the bells and whistles but sounds good and easy,light to carry. And, less than half the price of some.
I do believe WR was on the market before Loudmouth, matter of fact, Im sure of it. I was waiting on the Loudmouth when I found mine. I do believe they were either the first or one of the first true MP3 calls that you can download your own sounds on as well. I dont see as they copied shit.
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Cdog911
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posted December 31, 2006 05:12 AM
I've never used a WR, and don't really know anyone who has. So I cannot speak to them, but I know guys who use Fox Pros and they like their product.
I will offer you this advice - sounds are important, but don't get too hung up on the library offered with any one caller. Almost all of them offer up sounds that leave a lot to be desired, but with the availability of high quality MP3 files, you can load your caller with the best of the best as you see fit for not really too much extra cha-ching. What I have found to be important is that I have the platform (caller) onto which the best sounds can be loaded and the rest simply falls into place.
I have heard that Fox Pro and WT both require that you use their proprietary sounds and it would be very helpful (and in all fairness) here to clarify this fact by those of you on their staff. Minaska, it's important to note, does not require proprietary sounds and you can download any MP3 file sounds.
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Rich
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posted December 31, 2006 06:48 AM
I am not a foxpro guy, but I don't think they require the use of their proprietary sounds anymore. I believe the new ones are capable of playing .wav or mp3 sounds of your choice. It is no secret that I am a Minaska Rep., but first and foremost I believe in speaking absolute truth. I recently had the opportunity to hear a new FX5 play a few tunes, and the sound quality is very good. I can't speak for or against Western Rivers because I have never seen or heard one. I had a new custom Minaska Bandit built for me recently, and it is the best caller available right now. We have to remember that digital callers are similar to computers. New technology comes along so quickly that what you buy today will soon be almost 0bsolete. Not having the latest and greatest does not mean that your old caller will not call critters though. Never fear about that.
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TOM64
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posted December 31, 2006 07:05 AM
Andy, I don't know who had the design first WR or LM but I do know that Johnny Stewart had the 512 out for quite a while, WR copied it right down to the add on remote. They even interchange.
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Norm
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posted December 31, 2006 07:23 AM
I don't think it is a matter of who was first, all callers are basically using the same type of parts, assembled together to create a caller.
So if you want to save money, you can buy alot of your own parts and make your own rig.
The WR is a good call. I have hunted with Andy and his, and it works very well. Others I know have this call and it has worked for them.
I just used my new Bandit, very impressed with it. 50% of the stands produced coyotes using this caller. It was very easy to add new sounds to. There were times that I was frustrated with the remote, given I was less than 40yds from the caller and I would have to push the same buttons many times to get to a new sound. but over all, a very good quality caller.
I have never used a foxpro, so can't really comment.
Good luck in your search efforts.
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Krustyklimber
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posted December 31, 2006 08:22 AM
Lance,
Any sound file on a computer, can be coverted to MP3 format and vice-versa.
Isn't it only "file card" callers, like the newer JS', that can't be re-written?
I was also under the impression that the newer FP has a "docking" system.
What format those files are (originally) in makes little difference, since they are easily changed.
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DAA
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posted December 31, 2006 01:28 PM
"I have heard that Fox Pro and WT both require that you use their proprietary sounds..."
You heard wrong. At least as far as the Foxpro is concerned. In fact, the earliest Foxpro models that allowed putting your own sounds on them, could record sounds from any external source. You didn't even need a computer.
- DAA
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Cal Taylor
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posted December 31, 2006 07:57 PM
Well said for both Rich and Dave. You have been able to put any sound you wished on several of the last FoxPros. And I will say this and leave it as is. The sounds are of utmost importance. I don't care where you get them or whos they are. I'm not getting into a sound library argument, but when guys like Dan complain about not doing well with a FoxPro (or any other of the better e-callers) in my mind then I think the problem lies in the sounds they are using or the setup. Since he seems to be able to call coyotes with a mouth call, it must be the particular sounds he is using. You really have to go trhough and test sounds. Some work way better than others, I don't care whos they are. From the old original JS and Bill Austin stuff, until today, some will outperform others and as a caller you have to figure out what sounds work best in your area and situation, and time of the year.
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Rich
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posted January 01, 2007 07:56 AM
"You really have to go trhough and test sounds. Some work way better than others, I don't care whos they are."
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Now THAT is pure fact. ![[Smile]](smile.gif) I have found a new sound that I believe is going to be a real killer, but I ain't telling ya what it is.
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Norm
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posted January 01, 2007 05:52 PM
a new sound??? It must be a coyote hunter crying over his choice of e-caller... thinking the grass is always greener over there.... ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
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Rich
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posted January 01, 2007 06:27 PM
Norm,
The sound I am talking about is actual recording of a small fur bearing animal in distress. I'm just not telling which one,because it sounds too dang good to make public if you know what I mean.
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BigO
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posted January 01, 2007 06:56 PM
Reading all the responses has brought up a question in my mind. I am new to this sight and to predator hunting. Which are better E-callers or mouth calls? And, does anyone know a website that can teach a person to use a mouth call?
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Cal Taylor
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posted January 01, 2007 07:13 PM
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I am thinking of placing a warning sign on my new Bandit. Something like "Warning! I Kick foxpro Butt!" LOL
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I'm just not telling which one,because it sounds too dang good to make public if you know what I mean.
Rich, with all this new stuff I would think that you would be showing up at St. Francis to back some of these claims. Come to think of it, Cdog should be entered also, since it's right there in his home state. Time to ante up boys!
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Dan Carey
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posted January 01, 2007 08:09 PM
BigO, I've always thought I sound better with a mouth call than the real thing. That would put the Ecallers a distant third.
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Leonard
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posted January 01, 2007 11:24 PM
Which are better, hand calls or electronic? I wish it were so easy. I need, and use both.
The advantage of the electronic is in placing the speaker away from your position so an incoming animal isn't focused on your location. That's a big deal, but I still blow a hand call whenever I feel like it, during a stand.
Cal, do you really think it comes down to which machine you are using at St. Francis?
Good hunting. LB
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Rich
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posted January 02, 2007 06:17 AM
Cal Taylor,
You have what it takes to win that contest regardless of which caller you use. You and Cenny could do that with mouth calls if you had the time to scout the area ahead of time. Out there around St, Francis it ain't so much the sounds you use as the exact locations you are lucky enough to get access to. I am old, fat and not so healthy. Hell, it took me a day and a half just to get my driveway cleared of all that wet snow we got. That new sound I discovered is aimed at the call shy coyotes here in Iowa that a fat old man like me can get to without walking too dang far. I need an edge. If I did manage to make it out to St. Francis, it would be to meet some of you guys. I would rather wait til spring now, and try to get down to Gillette to spend a day or two calling with Cal Taylor.
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Cal Taylor
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posted January 02, 2007 08:24 AM
Of course I don't Leonard! Just poking a little fun at these guys for picking on me and FoxPro lately. It sounds like St Francis is going to be the absolute pits. Everything we planned on hunting is under 2 or 3 feet of snow. And I talked to the chief down there last night and they are not going to allow snowmobiles, even for travel. Too much chance of guys running coyotes with them.
Rich, I hope you do come up some day. It sounds like I'll be plenty busy with coyote work all spring.
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Leonard
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posted January 02, 2007 10:34 AM
Okay, message received!
All you guys, STOP PICKING ON CAL AND FOXPRO!
We're here to help, LB
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Rich Higgins
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posted January 02, 2007 11:26 AM
Cal, Tyler and I are bringing our Bandit . It's been training hard and is prepared to kick a bunch of Foxpro butt. It ain't afraid of a little bit of snow.
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Rich
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posted January 02, 2007 11:31 AM
"All you guys, STOP PICKING ON CAL AND FOXPRO!"
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Cal Taylor
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posted January 02, 2007 11:49 AM
Higgins, I hope to see it work for you. I'm not afraid of a "little" snow either, but when it gets to the extremes those guys are having, I really don't want to play in it.
Leonard, thanks for the help, but I was doing OK. I don't want to be labeled a whiner, and I can generally hold my own. ![[Wink]](wink.gif) . Unless you and all the other moderators gang up on me and Higgins and kick us off. ![[Razz]](tongue.gif)
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