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Seldom Ever
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posted May 15, 2003 09:30 AM
yeah,I've seen some really bad cammo,as far as brands and styles go.
Never have called at all yet,much less from a ladder,but when I'm wearing cammo I try to put something behind me,like a bush or a tree,to break up the pattern further, and to keep me from standing out. That's what I like about my mossy oak ghillie suit,it really breaks up my outline.
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Krustyklimber
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posted May 15, 2003 11:19 AM
OK I didn't come up with anything in my search for treestand plans... so I decided to draw up this crude picture for the ones I saw when we were bear scouting...
It appeared they were made from 1/4 sheet triangles of 5/8" plywood... and screwed to the tree (I assume so they can be taken down and/or moved).
 
A series of these stands spread over a rigdetop, with clearcuts along it, might be a great way to go.
I hope this helps,
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Seldom Ever
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posted May 15, 2003 11:28 AM
pup,could you post the plans for that coyote pod,how portable is it,is it too big to hump into the bush with ?
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Seldom Ever
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posted May 15, 2003 11:30 AM
dang,must have some fat fingers,I'm always double postin seems like.
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posted May 15, 2003 11:38 AM
All this stuff about needing so much camo gets me to laughing. I'm kind of like Leonard, maybe a camo hat,usually just tan colored, camo jacket or a dull colored shirt but don't forget the Wranglers. Don't know about you Leonard but I call em in close, sometimes within feet, and kill 40+ a year. Camo can be over rated at times. Smart setups kill yotes. Look at some of the guns I am using, all SS shiney stuff and a purple and white Swift. Some hunters will freak out at my equipment. I have the pics and carcases to back up my techniques.
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Seldom Ever
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posted May 15, 2003 11:44 AM
Yeah,I see your point P220,but like I said,I think it's a confidence builder,especially if you've been using it for a long time.It's not that it's needed,it's what I'm used to doing.I'm not saying I can't kill anything or do any good without wearing it,I'm saying I feel better when I am wearing it. Just like the fur lined jock strap I use to support my steel cajone's and keep'em from clankin' when I walk,it makes me feel better ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif) !!
I guess movement and smell are the two biggies that get you busted by just about anything that walks or crawls, wouldn't you say ?
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UTcaller
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posted May 16, 2003 06:56 AM
I guess for me as with most people, as the years go by we evolve as hunters.You see what works and what doesn't.Things that really matter and things that don't.I have really simplified my calling in say the last 7 or 8 years.Like I said I really haven't seen where camo has made the difference between success and failure in calling,so if I don't have to get all dressed up in matching camo I don't.Wranglers,or carhart pants and either a tee shirt or long sleeve shirt is fine.Then like I said when I get to my stand I will throw on a tan carhart coat or my military coat.If I felt I was handicapping myself and costing myself coyotes I would take a look and some other types of camo and wear it from head to toe.But like some have mentioned I have had alot of coyotes 20 yards from me and I truly believe they could have come closer but I shot them first. ![[Wink]](wink.gif) The key to being successful whether you wear camo or not is MOVEMENT(lack of it).I also agree that you need to sit in front of a tree or bush,or if there is not much cover and it is possible, call from the prone position.GOOD HUNTING CO
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Seldom Ever
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posted May 16, 2003 12:06 PM
I see that most of you don't feel the need for cammo,so let me try to explain it from my point of view,in a different manner.
It's not just a confidence builder here, we pretty much need it as well.Here everything is green and thick.In winter it's still green,lots more brown,and still thick.You can't hardly move an inch,without something tryin to grab you and hold you there.Seems like most everything in West Virginia has a thorn on it too! Anyhow,a lot of the animals you encounter here,you encounter at very close distances,real sudden like. By close,I mean within or under 100 yards.I know you guys have killed stuff that did the same thing,but here's the difference.The animals we hunt here,could creep up on us while we're sitting still [?,again movement plays a part,everybody has to scratch there ass or yawn once in awhile]and watch us,without us ever knowing it. They have all the advantages, simply because it's so thick. I've seen it too many times deer hunting and turkey hunting.I think the only thing that saved our hides was being cammoed out,and blending in real good in the thickets.Had we had on normal clothes in all that green, we'd have stood out like teets on a boar hog. Now I can't say that about predator hunting/calling here,because I haven't done it yet. The circumstances will be closer to what you guys are used to as well,in that I'll try to be hunting more open areas,clear cuts and such.
One more thing,here it's not a good idea to wear brown duck hunting,the hunting is so close,some idiot that is full of the buck augers and trigger happy,might kill you thinking you're a buck.
And that brings us to another reason many of us wear cammo,to hide from other hunters and let them go by.I have let them walk by many times.The only time I make them aware of my prescence is if they get really close and I feel it's a bigger danger to me not to.
I've scared some people pretty bad from a treestand a time or two.
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Leonard
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posted May 16, 2003 03:43 PM
SE, don't let us discourage you from wearing your camo, if that's what you want to do. I'm not against it. I'm sort of casual about it, but I'm not making any recommendation that others should be of the same mind. There are a lot of optional things, and that's one of them.
Good hunting. LB
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Seldom Ever
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posted May 16, 2003 04:01 PM
Thanks Leonard,no one is actually discouraging me,and I see the point everyone is making regarding there use of it. I'm just trying to explain,probably badly,that under the right circumstances and in the right place,it can be really helpful as well.Here it is an asset.
In a way,duck brown cloth in a desert setting,is a type of cammo.
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UTcaller
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posted May 18, 2003 11:54 AM
SE,I don't want to discourage anyone from buying or using camo.I just simply believe for the most part it is overrated.20 years ago there weren't hardly any camo's on the market,except military and a couple others.So alot of VERY good hunters didn't have the ADVANTAGE of the modern camo's we have today,but still managed to have alot of success.As far as people seeing me in the field goes,I guess thats the advantage of hunting out west,When I go calling I rarely see a truck let alone another person. I have really simplified my calling over the last few years,I wear jeans,and a jacket,carry my gun with 5 or 6 bullets in my pocket,my howler,a open reed distress call and shootin sticks that's about it.Like Jay N. said in another post "those coyotes can weigh 180 lbs when you're carrying them back to the truck".So I try to go as light as possible. GOOD HUNTING CO
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Seldom Ever
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posted May 18, 2003 12:25 PM
Well,neither you or anyone else has discouraged me from using it, so don't worry . I think a lot of it has to do with the terrain we are in and the amount of cover.While I agree with your analogy regarding hunters of 20 years ago, I have seen a few instances where cammo saved the day,especially while bowhunting and turkey hunting. 20 years ago the rifles didn't perform nearly as well as they do today,and yet I don't see very many opting to coyote hunt with old rifles of minimal performance.Same thing goes for scopes, there was a time when it was all iron sights, but you rarely hear of anyone hunting yotes or PD's or buffalo or deer at long range with a 45-70 sharps and the old style windage and elevation sights.It all boils down to a matter of preferences,habits,and regional customs,really.
You grew up hunting in brown duck [??],I grew up hunting in cammo.
As far as gadgets go,I used to be the worlds worst,but I have calmed down a lot .Anything I buy now usually serves a real purpose,is not a gimmick but an asset,and 95% of the time it's something that makes me feel more comfortable physically.I am no spring chicken,but I'm not dead yet either.I enjoy padded seats,lots of pockets,a backrest,etc.I have worked hard living to be 51,and I feel I've earned the right to be comfortable afield,if I can afford it.It keeps my poor ol' bones from aching so much when I get back in camp. We can carry it a whole lot further as far as gadgets go and start talking about trucks,lights, high-chairs in the backs of the trucks,and hunting at night?
It's all a matter of preferences,and what each of us grew up with and became comfortable with.Whether we wish to admit it or not, we are all in large part a product of our environment.
This is all meant as discussion,not argument,and isn't meant to inflame anyone.I truly appreciate all the advice and input,I can't imagine how long it would have taken me to accumulate the predator hunting knowledge I have so far, through trial and error instead of these forums.
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Rich Higgins
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posted May 18, 2003 03:47 PM
A couple of weeks ago, LKVL, a trapper from Mn. visited and was watching some video I'd shot which included some animals jumping on me and running into me then standing a few feet away with it's hackles up, looking at me like I owed it money and the first thing he asked was "What the heck kind of camo do you wear?" I wouldn't get most of the best video I shoot without very good and complete camo.
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Leonard
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posted May 18, 2003 04:14 PM
Yes, of course. We all know that using your howler and distress sounds from under a tarp allows you some singular opportunities. We admit that camo, at any level, can be beneficial. I have seen behavior on your video that, frankly, I have not observed before.
But, I'm just talking about killing coyotes, not entertaining them. I have a large military 3D leafy camo, and it conceals as well as anything. When I use a machine, set away from my location, and the animal is focused on the sound, my use of camouflage (a french word) seems of secondary importance to remaining still.
Either way, camo is not a negative, and in the case of Master Higgins, a distinct advantage... for his particular purpose.
Good hunting. LB
PS, when I join you, (shortly) are we filming, or killing, or filming killing?
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Rich Higgins
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posted May 18, 2003 04:26 PM
Len, I'll be filming, but since it's with you I know it will be a snuff flick.
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UTcaller
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posted May 18, 2003 05:56 PM
Rich,I definitely see your point,as far as keeping them close enough to pet,like you do. ![[Eek!]](eek.gif) I see the advantage of camo.But I'm like Leonard,if I can get them close enough to kill that's my objective.And movement(lack of)is the big key to that.SE,As far as rifles go,I still like to shoot my 25 year old 22-250 sometimes and it still accounts for quite a few coyotes each year. GOOD HUNTING CO
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posted May 18, 2003 06:10 PM
Can't argue with how old your 22-250 is UT, and wouldn't if I could But I'm sure you know what I meant. Looks like we both agree that you don't feel you need cammo,but I do. That's what makes this country so great.Keep on sharing your yote hunting knowledge with me UT,as I said I'm a novice,and I truly do appreciate all the help from everyone of you guys.
What kind of scope have you got on that 25 year old 22-250,that was my point as well ?
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Rich Higgins
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posted May 18, 2003 06:25 PM
Chad, if I were fur hunting I wouldn't worry much about camo either. Ever see the old photos of the early Calif. and Az. hunters wearing their cowboy shirts and white Stetsons on stand?
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posted May 18, 2003 06:47 PM
One thing that all of you have really reinforced in me is the fact that I can't move on stand.I already knew it,but I have a tendency to forget, this time I think I'll remember it, and I thank you for it.
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posted May 18, 2003 07:25 PM
SE,I have an OLD Redfield 6x18 scope,it has alot of scrapes and scratches but still clear as ever.
Rich,yeah I have seen alot of those old photo's,they usually have 15 or 20 coyote tails in the pictures to. GOOD HUNTING CO
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posted May 18, 2003 07:28 PM
Dang,you must've been around awhile yourself UT,bet you've got some tales to tell,eh ?
Thanks for sharing.
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posted May 18, 2003 08:46 PM
OK Rich. I've got a spot on the shelf reserved for your next volume. Don't forget me, alright?
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UTcaller
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posted May 18, 2003 08:55 PM
No,I'm not that old,just got the gun and scope when I was pretty young.I have had some pretty interesting experiences hunting coyotes,but I think anyone who has hunted coyotes for awhile will say the same thing.Maybe that's why most hunters think we're all an odd bunch. ![[Smile]](smile.gif) I will say one thing about hunting coyotes, they will sure keep you on your toes.My coyote motto is "always expect the unexpected." ![[Razz]](tongue.gif) GOOD HUNTING CO
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posted May 19, 2003 06:32 AM
Why not use it if you can afford it? We have enough disadvantages without adding to the list. While not absolutely necessary, it does help, especially when they are close. Kinda falls into the category with the mist. Besides that there are all those cool pockets.
later pup
Seldom ever, if I get some time this afternoon, I will get some pics up so you can see. I like my pod as far as the ladders go. Not as light as the wood ladders, but alot sturdier and I can film and shoot, 360 degrees with a backrest.
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posted May 19, 2003 03:03 PM
We normally use these in tall grass pastures, set up as you see here with a little breakup.
  
the overall weight is around 25lbs. very stable when up. We use them alot , as they have allowed us to hunt in places where rises or tall grass kept us from it in the past. I have yet to shoot one out of the pod yet, but pard has killed a couple.
later pup
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