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Posted by Jay Nistetter (Member # 140) on December 31, 2004, 08:27 PM:
Bill,
What are a couple of the most off-the-wall sounds you have in your library?
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on December 31, 2004, 09:02 PM:
I hope he got "coyote flatulence", a sound that really requires studio quality, to appreciate.
Posted by Steve Craig (Member # 12) on January 01, 2005, 05:19 AM:
I know the answer to that one.
It is Alvin and the Chipmunks singing Christmas,Chistmas! I used to play it for my clients on the last stand of the last day at the last minute of their hunt! Always brought a good laugh.
Steve
Posted by Rich Higgins (Member # 3) on January 01, 2005, 07:16 AM:
Steve, ever have anything pop-up at the last minute while playing Alvin?
Tyler and I will occasionally play Happy Birthday or the Star-Spangled Banner on an AP6 when we are ready to cut a stand. I can't ever remember anything coming into it. Probably why we were ending the stand.
Posted by varmit hunter (Member # 37) on January 01, 2005, 07:36 AM:
Rich, They cant come when there standing up with there paws over there heart. I have had good luck with the Highway to Hell by AC/DC.
Posted by Rich Higgins (Member # 3) on January 01, 2005, 08:34 AM:
Very good, Ronnie. I see you are feeling better today. ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
Posted by LionHo (Member # 233) on January 03, 2005, 10:19 AM:
Early on I had a large male bobcat stroll past me at about 6 feet, the very first day afield with my first-ever mouth call, a closed-reed Burnam Bros walnut tube with a cottontail voice. He arrived shortly after I'd given up on the stand--right after I'd played the Monty Python's Flying Circus theme song.
LionHo
Posted by LionHo (Member # 233) on January 03, 2005, 10:32 AM:
I've been calling critters way close for too many years (mostly with just lipsqueaks or an open reed call or some scratchy old cassette tape of a cottontail played over a generic walkman with decent amplified speakers), to believe that the some fancy piece of electronics can make anyone an expert hunter.
That said, I STILL believe that my 48-bit 320kbps .mp3 recordings kick butt. Because I can capture 22+KHz mouse squeaks or lipsqueaks, and when I play them back there's actually something there.
LionHo
Posted by Rich Higgins (Member # 3) on January 03, 2005, 01:24 PM:
Lion Ho (I still can't get that visual out of my head ) Hi again. How did you record the mouse squeaks? That is probably the most killer distress out there. I can't remember how many times I've had coyotes that will not approach any closer with other sounds suddenly come in at a quick pace when I give them a good high pitched lip-squeak. Of course you have to have studio quality lips to make the proper sound.
Posted by LionHo (Member # 233) on January 03, 2005, 06:04 PM:
I happen to be blessed with a lucky lil air gap between my right front tooth and bicuspid. Also went and boned up on Ishi, Last of the Yaqui. Then one day I live-trapped 3 blind baby mice.
Marched them and my teeth over to my older IBM ThinkPad laptop that has a pretty decent Yamaha soundcard,(this one happens to have lower noise and better specs than most), to which I had plugged in a $20 LabTec AM-222 microphone.
Turns out some of my live mouse, CritR Call, lipsqueak and mylar-between-the-thumbs recordings (recorded directly to GoldWave, saved/ripped as .mp3s with the LAME codec), when played back using the graphing feature of GoldWave, can hit audio frequencies over 20 kHz, some as high as 23 kHz.Which happens to be a good 3 kHz higher than the .wav standard used in CDs.
(Your guess is as good as mine as to why .wav is still considered the gold standard of digital audio recording.)
High-pitched stuff like this is nigh impossible to reproduce with the other components of a typical predator-calling system, definitely not happening with the usual powerhorn. But it's not out of reach of .mp3 players. Car stereo speakers come close. Built my own rig, for about a quarter the cost of the high-priced one you can't even download your own sounds to. Happily, none of this is rocket science nowadays.
LionHo
"HEY KIDS--Now You Too Can Learn How to Become a Sound Engineer In As Little as 6 Weeks in Your Spare Time--For Free!-- at Google U."
[ January 03, 2005, 06:15 PM: Message edited by: LionHo ]
Posted by Rich Higgins (Member # 3) on January 03, 2005, 08:28 PM:
I read Saxton Pope's account, don't remember anything about mouse squeaks. Diet, fasting for the deer hunt, decoying the deer, but that's all.
Posted by Jay Nistetter (Member # 140) on January 03, 2005, 08:53 PM:
L-Ho
Are you using the shareware GoldWave or do you use the full blown version? Am really interested if I should upgrade.
Posted by LionHo (Member # 233) on January 04, 2005, 02:46 AM:
Rich,
Hey, I'm not saying specifically that Ishi stretched Mylar between his thumbs --prolly should clarify what I meant was that I took to heart his making an industry outa being a living artifact
Jay,
I've got v4.25 and it's just shareware. Had to separately download and embed the LAME codec, as I recall. Couple of non-intuitive quirks to it, but somebody later mentioned newer versions don't have some of the features I use all the time, (e.g. the Noise Gate Filter), which is why I've hung in there with v4.25.
LionHo
Posted by Jay Nistetter (Member # 140) on January 04, 2005, 06:51 AM:
Same here. The newer version has less features so I went back to the old. The LAME codec was a seperate downlod specifically for the MP3.
BTW... Boddicker has these old Ishi calls and Alcorn calls and he let me take some photos. Pretty crude and did use latex stretched over the end.
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on January 04, 2005, 07:51 AM:
Are we talking about the dude that has his pickled brain floating in a mayonaise jar? That Ishi?
If you gentlemen are truly predator hunters, how come you can hear mouse squeaks?
Good hunting. LB
Posted by Jay Nistetter (Member # 140) on January 04, 2005, 09:15 AM:
Not really sure I understand what you're sayting Leonard. Are you sure you're not pickled?
Anyway... Theres a big hunt coming up and it's raining, flooding and snowing big time here in AZ. Sure wish Higgins would leave so I can get some hunting in.
Posted by Rich Higgins (Member # 3) on January 04, 2005, 10:25 AM:
Leonard, that is one and the same. Makes you wonder about Jay?
Jay, I would love to see the photos. Did Ishi sell his calls commercially. Did he trade for beads and mirrors or did he sell for wampum?
Posted by Rich Higgins (Member # 3) on January 04, 2005, 10:27 AM:
Jay, your wish is granted. I'm leaving the state tomorrow for a few days. Better enjoy the good weather while you can.
Posted by LionHo (Member # 233) on January 04, 2005, 10:50 AM:
Perhaps I'm paraphrasing, but wasn't it Chief Wolfson of the Nez Pince who said
"When the last Mink Baby Distress falls silent, when there are no Fleming Hares yet echoing through the taiga, I will squeeze mice until they squeak--for I am a Predator Caller?"
[Hey--Maybe Bomba know? Sure he know how stretch latex tight over end of tube!]
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on January 04, 2005, 10:54 AM:
Rich, shouldn't you be packing?
I'm still wondering how a lifelong hunter and shooter manages to hear mouse squeaks?
Good hunting. LB
edit: Lyin ho:(an oxymoron) I think you are "mega" paraphrasing?
[ January 04, 2005, 11:00 AM: Message edited by: Leonard ]
Posted by Rich Higgins (Member # 3) on January 04, 2005, 11:13 AM:
1. I am packed, chompin' at the bit.
2. teflon eardrums
3. living up to his name
edit: that was funny and clever though. What the hell is a taiga and do I need one?
[ January 04, 2005, 11:15 AM: Message edited by: Rich Higgins ]
Posted by LionHo (Member # 233) on January 04, 2005, 11:15 AM:
I mostly call to the camera; then I found that my Crit R Call was taking a toll on my hearing. Another reason for the e-caller. These days when shooting I try to remember to use earplugs.
So even though we can't hear everything the mice have to tell us--maybe the coyote can't either. There's a UC Berkeley biological field station a few miles north of here (Hastings *********** in Carmel Valley). Intersting place, visited there a couple of weeks back and heard the head cheese talking about a recent discovery and the research project they are currently running, using an array of borrowed bat-squeak microphones to record the nocturnal back-and-forth serenading that California Mice do... at 30,000 hertz!
LionHo
PS--Anybody have a link to scientific research or other source on the sensitivity of predator hearing?
[don't know why it's blocked and seems to resist editing--oxymoronic???--but that pesky row of asterisks above should read "R...E...S...E...R...V...A...T...I...O...N", which place I perhaps need to repair back to now, with all due haste.]
[ January 04, 2005, 11:26 AM: Message edited by: LionHo ]
Posted by LionHo (Member # 233) on January 04, 2005, 12:20 PM:
A taiga is, according to Webster's New World Dictionary, "a type of transitional plant community that is located between the Arctic tundra and the boreal coniferous forests, having scattered trees."
As to whether a taiga is a desirable thing to possess or strive for, Rich Higgins question reminds me that not all taiga is Drunken Forest, but all Drunken Forest is found in the taiga, as I recollect:
http://www.gi.alaska.edu/ScienceForum/ASF12/1253.html
Must be where the Fleming--or do they mean "Phlegming"?-- Hares abound: (and ahem, ahem, getting this tread back on, ahem, the roller-coastery track, GHAAACK):
http://www.wildlifetech.com/pages/sounds.htm
[ January 04, 2005, 12:35 PM: Message edited by: LionHo ]
Posted by Jay Nistetter (Member # 140) on January 04, 2005, 01:01 PM:
The calls are Alcorn's calls in the possession of Major.
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on January 04, 2005, 01:35 PM:
Sorry, Lionho. That's a banned word, for some reason, maybe it's a bug in the program?
Jay worked around restrictions, and I had to take away his vowels until he promised to behave.
Good hunting. LB
Rich, you owe me an email.
Posted by keekee (Member # 465) on January 04, 2005, 01:40 PM:
Anyone know when Rich is leaving town? I need to talk with him or Tyler and cant reach him by phone.
Brent
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on January 04, 2005, 01:48 PM:
He told me 8:00 P.M.? I need to discuss something with him, also.
RICH< WHERE U AT?
Posted by GUTPILE (Member # 448) on January 04, 2005, 04:54 PM:
I've used a secretly recorded shrill whine from my old girlfriend. Doesn't work, that's why I got rid of her.
Posted by Tim Behle (Member # 209) on January 04, 2005, 06:35 PM:
I think he's down here in Cochise county. It's been pouring down rain all evening.
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on January 04, 2005, 06:52 PM:
Mr. "lucky hunting weather" can't be two places, at once, can he? Been raining all day here, as well. LB
Posted by Tim Behle (Member # 209) on January 04, 2005, 06:57 PM:
Isn't he sometimes referred to as one of the "Twins" Maybe one of us has Rich, and the other has his twin?
All I know for sure at this point is that the mud is getting plenty deep around here tonight.
Posted by Jay Nistetter (Member # 140) on January 04, 2005, 07:21 PM:
It's Voodoo. He's sreadin' Mojo his all over Arizona and I see that it's heading up towards the Northeast.
Posted by Cal Taylor (Member # 199) on January 05, 2005, 06:45 AM:
I haven't seen him creeping around here either, but we have at least a foot of new snow and it's colder than hell. I'm going to be digging out traps for a week from this one.
[ January 05, 2005, 02:13 PM: Message edited by: Cal Taylor ]
Posted by Jay Nistetter (Member # 140) on January 05, 2005, 06:49 AM:
Anyone remember that old 1958 Steve McQueen movie called The Blob where this thing kept growing and spreading?
Posted by Rich Higgins (Member # 3) on January 05, 2005, 10:17 AM:
Sorry guys, just got back fron Wyoming and Cochise county.
Who's next?
So Jay, you really think you're going to be hunting this weekend?
Posted by Crow Woman (Member # 157) on January 05, 2005, 02:42 PM:
I talked with Rich on the phone last night... when I woke up we had 4 inches of snow on the ground... and still coming... the snow that is.
![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
[ January 05, 2005, 02:43 PM: Message edited by: Crow Woman ]
Posted by Doggitter (Member # 489) on January 06, 2005, 04:07 PM:
Jay, never saw The Blob but I remember one about rocks that would multiply and spread when they contacted water. Looked obsidion to me. Ha ha
Posted by varmit hunter (Member # 37) on January 07, 2005, 07:48 AM:
Sheri. Now you know you need to be careful how you say things around Jay. No telling what he may get tangled up in that lathe.
Ronnie
Posted by Jay Nistetter (Member # 140) on January 07, 2005, 09:45 AM:
After reading your post Ronnie, I went out and unplugged the lathe. The visual was causing nightmares.
Posted by Crow Woman (Member # 157) on January 07, 2005, 01:09 PM:
Hey Jay... sorry to hear that you unplugged your lathe.
Do you need a hand... you know... for anything?
Just trying to be helpful
Posted by Jay Nistetter (Member # 140) on January 11, 2005, 11:28 AM:
Sheri. Could always use a helping hand.
You're certainly welcome to help me out with a new GFI I've held on to for emergencies such as this.
Can't be too safe nowadays.
Posted by Crow Woman (Member # 157) on January 11, 2005, 01:35 PM:
First of all... this idea of yours is just "shocking" to me.
Nuttin makes me knees quiver more than the thought of holding onto your fine piece of GFI, Jay ![[Wink]](wink.gif)
Would be a tingling experience for me bringing me to my knees.
That takes care of one hand... what do you want me to do with the other ![[Confused]](confused.gif)
So happy that I could help
[ January 11, 2005, 01:52 PM: Message edited by: Crow Woman ]
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on January 11, 2005, 02:30 PM:
get a room, you two!
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